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[Count Viceroy]

JigPig wrote...

Good one.

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Saibh, youre just quoting ONE guy in one interview, to prove some kind of point... That somehow those "Polish amateurs" are "way over their heads of smthg"? I have many quotes in the Wicher-behind the scenes video of many Devs praising Bioware and their RPGs, and acknowledging themselves as fans of Baldurs Gate...

What is the problem with someone stating an opinion, even if its an "exagerated" view? I personally prefer people voicing their views up front than being "too careful" as EVERYBODY in the PR departments do...  And you know what they do it? Because they dont want to be controversial, it's "bad business".

Im sure all developers have "strong" opinions about the other guy, they just leave them in close quarters... 

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 10 février 2011 - 09:21 .

[Nerevar-as]

Beerfish wrote...

I have never played Arkham.  I don't want to wait until the end of the game to get good enough at combat for it not to really lessen my enjoyment of the game.  I think they perhaps outthought themselvs in that aspect.  In any case I really disliked it.  I'll have to wait for some demo combat footage to see how it works.

I really like the feeling of getting much stronger. Stay away from the Gothic/Risen series by the way. But you should really try Arkham.

[Loup Blanc]

All I will say is that the people who say the choices in DAO were as grey as in TW are ridiculous. They either haven't played TW, or... I don't know.



Take the choice at the end of chapter 4 in TW. You are in the middle of a conflict. On one side, you get The Order, a bunch or extremist and racist knights who hate the non-humans. On the other side, you get the ScoiaTel, a bunch of extremist and racist elven terrorists. In the middle you get the villagers.



You stand with the Order, you learn that one elven chick, with whom you got a chance to sympathize earlier, was raped for hours by all the soldiers, toyed with and tortured before being executed.



You want to stand with the ScoiaTel? They massacre the villagers, including children and elderly.



You want to walk the true path of the Witcher, remain neutral and walk away? They all kill each other and the villagers suffer casualties as well.



Whatever you decide, you feel like **** in the end. None of the choices in DAO made me feel like this.

[MortalEngines]

Nerevar-as wrote...
What´s BDF? First time I see that.

'Bioware Defence Force' the term placed on anyone who doesn't agree with another person and takes 'Bioware's side'

[Loup Blanc]

Count Viceroy wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Good one.

Oh yeah? Let me remind you this 81 applied to the regular Witcher edition. Not the enhanced edition released one year later which is the True edition.

[_Aine_]

 Well, I think that the fans are far more black and white than either of the games are, frankly.  

I have read many Witcher interviews lately and MANY of them ask Witcher folks about Dragon Age, which probably gets fairly old, fairly fast.  For a nice splash of reality, not ALL answers are as snarky or purposely intended to send hard-core fans on either side into nerd-rage as the one posted seemed to be, some even including Bioware amongst the top 3 games prospectively but tabloid style journalism is far more interesting I suppose.   

Who really cares though. Witcher 2 IS gorgeous and they have, apparently anyway, vastly improved both graphics AND gameplay/combat from everything I have seen so far. Dragon Age has decided themselves to improve in this regard in their own direction as well.

I will be getting both games and will probably enjoy them both. Competition is healthy and whether or not this was translated, said in frustration or which team has better PR, CSR skills or public hissy fits is irrelevant to whether it is a good game or not. Why fans feel like they have to be loyal to ONE company or game... I have a hard time understanding this. Almost as much as I have difficulty understanding game "articles" where they are more interested in inciting nerd-rage than speaking about the unique features of the games in question.  

[keginkc]

The witcher 2 certainly looks shinier, but I'm not sure it's 'better' necessarily. Although I have not been a fan of DA2's change in artistic direction. Beyond that, I thought the whole "generic fantasy" comment was amusing. The Witcher's world is every bit as generic as Dragon Age's, at least insofar as we've seen in represented in gaming. As far as "mature themes" go, I've long held the opinion that the witcher was the equivalent of a 13-year old trying to write "adult fantasy". The "relationships" were basically a joke, and the sex cards felt like they were nothing but a way to get "boobies!" into the game. Nothing about it was really "mature" in any way. Nor were the actions or consequences of the game in any way revolutionary at any point.



And to think The Witcher had any kind of major influence on Mass Effect, much less Dragon Age, is not only the height of arrogance, but also incredibly obtuse (and impossible....), since the Witcher came out all of a month before Mass Effect, in October of 2007.



I say all this and I liked The Witcher a lot, and plan to play the sequel...



But come on.

[Nerevar-as]

Krytheos wrote...

Wow. The arrogance can be felt from miles away. Anyway, I have one thing to say to so much arrogance.  Dragon Age was inspired by ASOIAF, a series of novels that have more character development in it's minor characters than TW had in the entire game. 

Also, Sex Cards. 

ASOF&I is no longer a valid reference for DA. Not with DA2 armors and animations. And for all its merits, Origins didn´t have that character development either.

[Michael Hamilton]

JohnEpler wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I do admit to some curiosity as to why someone has to be on one side or the other of the 'lines in the sand' that many people seem to have drawn. Though I obviously won't get as much out of DA2 at launch as the rest of you folks, I'm still going to play it! And then, I'll probably pick up all the other RPGs that are coming out this year, and likely play the heck out of them, enjoying them all the way through.

As Mike said, it's a good year for people who like RPGs. Why anyone feels the need to deny themselves one of the games because they happen to be fans of another is beyond me. Obviously, this isn't the only reason why you wouldn't pick up a game - it may be that the game isn't to your taste, and that's fine. Ah well. Maybe I'm too close to everything to get it.

It happens in sports, movies,comics,... why not in video games?

And I can understand it in sports, if for no other reason than the teams really are competing directly. Team A versus Team B, and only one of them can win. I don't understand it in movies and comics, though - it's not like movie 1 wins and movie 2 loses. Both movies can do well.

But again. I think this is a phenomenon I just don't understand.

Personally (and I may be biased) I hope Dragon Age 2 wins everything...  Ever.

Yup.

On a sleightly more serious note, I like a lot of games, I don't really see why one has to fail for another to succeed.

Modifié par Michael Hamilton, 10 février 2011 - 09:23 .

[OSUfan12121]

JL81 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Good one.

Oh yeah? Let me remind you this 81 applied to the regular Witcher edition. Not the enhanced edition released one year later which is the True edition.

The enhanced edition still only managed to scrap up an 86 overall.

[Nerevar-as]

MortalEngines wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
What´s BDF? First time I see that.

'Bioware Defence Force' the term placed on anyone who doesn't agree with another person and takes 'Bioware's side'

Thanks.

[Melness]

JL81 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Good one.

Oh yeah? Let me remind you this 81 applied to the regular Witcher edition. Not the enhanced edition released one year later which is the True edition.

86.

[Eshaye]

I seriously doubt anything made by BioWare is influenced by other RPG's. Perhaps in small ways but not surely when it comes to CHOICE? That's this house special dish.... O.o *boggled* and *amused*

[Saibh]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

Saibh, youre just quoting ONE guy in one interview, to prove some kind of point...

I don't need to prove a point with it. It speaks for itself.

They think they managed to influence a major AAA title within twenty days of its release.

That somehow hose Polish amateurs are "way over thir heads of smthg"?

Who said that? I never did.

I have many quotes in the Wicher-behind the scenes video of many Devs praising Bioware and their RPGs, and acknowledging themselves as fans of Baldurs Gate...

Having an inferiority complex is not the same as hating BioWare. It means that they're jealous. Supremely jealous. The arrogance it takes to think it influenced ME (or DAO, considering it was six years in development) is monumental.

What is the problem of someone stating an opinion, even if its an "exagerated" view? I personally prefer people voicing their views up front than being "too careful" as EVERYBODY in the PR departments do? And you know what they do it? Because they dont want to be controversial, is "bad business".

Im sure all developers have "strong" opinions about the other guy, they just leave them in close quarters...

First, what this dev is claiming is wildly untrue and is nothing but stoking his own ego.

Second of all, yeah, they keep in closed quarters. That's what makes them professionals.

There's a thing called professional courtesy. I think they should learn it.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 février 2011 - 09:24 .

[Ser Fish]

Okay, so the Witcher 2 has higher res textures and more more detailed models. So? I was under the impression that most RPG gamers didn't give two hoots about how up-to-date their games looked. It's not exactly a genre that lends itself to Crysis levels of graphical fidelity.

I do think that DA2's engine is pretty dated. I do think that on a graphical level it's nowhere near the top of the field. But visually, I prefer it to the Witcher 2. I really love the new art style. I dunno. Different strokes, I guess.

[Jaduggar]

Let's not get too caught up on one man speaking on behalf of his entire team just because he's apart of said team.

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, this is really not DA2 related, so it gets closed now.

If you want to keep discussing this, please take it to the Off Topic forum.


LOCKDOWN!

[Herr Uhl]

JL81 wrote...

Whatever you decide, you feel like **** in the end. None of the choices in DAO made me feel like this.

Well, that is one way of making grey morality. It isn't that amazingly hard to write either.

But I can agree that there is less obviousness in the Witcher plotpoints (as in not being douche compared to nice) than in most DAO, but making everyone a in the world a bastard isn't much better.