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[Marionetten]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

virumor wrote...

BioWare Defense Squad, assemble!

Pretty much. It's hilarious watching the fanboys **** their pants over this. So much anger.

I find it pretty humorous myself when people go "OH LOOK FANBOYS THEY ARE FUNNY" instead of posting a real post that's relevant on the thread itself, though I don't call them out on it.

Oh wait, just did.

You mad, Dave? You did seem a little mad in your earlier post.

Myself I find it somewhat humorous when your average fanboy tries to defend his beloved company by viciously attacking another by spewing uninformed garbage.

Modifié par Marionetten, 10 février 2011 - 08:14 .

[Phazor58]

Lot's of people are saying graphics don't matter, it's the story that counts as if The Witcher has a terrible story.



Just to let you guys know...CD Projekt Red's focus has always been on the story. They made their own engine (which looks great) because they felt the Bioware one they were using was too limiting. I literally just listened to an interview with Tomas Gop yesterday where he said the first thing they looked at was the story and they built everything else from that. The Witcher is very much a story based RPG, and if you've read the novels, you would know that they're great stories. I should also note that Tomas Gop is typically very respectful of Dragon Age when he's asked about it in interviews. He simply says that they're different games that try to achieve different things. Though I will admit, he seemed a lot more direct here.

[Calla S]

Dave of Canada wrote...
CD Projekt sure got cocky for a group of people that used to do almost nothing but polish translations of Bioware games.

Your profile picture just makes this post THAT MUCH BETTER. You tell 'em, Varric.

[Catsith]

I love CD Projekt, but that guy seriously needs to learn to shut his trap. He's been calling out other RPG devs left and right and acting like his game is the second coming of RPGs. No offence to him and his team, and I'm sure the Witcher 2 will be a great game with pretty graphics, but CD Projekt is an ant compared to Bioware and Bethesda, and Dragon Age most certainly does not have "black and white" choices. He needs to tone it down a notch or two. He's right about TW2 having better graphics, but good god.. he needs a muzzle.

[Cuthlan]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

virumor wrote...

BioWare Defense Squad, assemble!

Pretty much. It's hilarious watching the fanboys **** their pants over this. So much anger.

I find it pretty humorous myself when people go "OH LOOK FANBOYS THEY ARE FUNNY" instead of posting a real post that's relevant on the thread itself, though I don't call them out on it.

Oh wait, just did.

It's even funnier when Witcher fanboys come to Bioware's board and mock us for being Bioware fanboys.

(may or may not be the case here, but it absolutely happens)

[Rimfrost]

Ashlag wrote...

I love CDP but sometimes their people's comments are a bit mean. Maybe it is a them being Polish thing. I don't really know. I loved both DA:O and TW, so I will be getting both TW2, and DA2. Both companies, in my opinion, are doing some great stuff, though obviously differently, and I can respect that about both of them. As long as they continue to make excellent games I'll keep buying both of their products.

Exactly. As long as they both push each other to invent they will both do great. It's not many who will choose just one or the other! 

[SandyWB]

Meh, the Witcher 2 might look 'prettier', but I'm 99% sure Dragon Age 2 will be a better game with a better overall experience. Also, I think it's really cheap saying that "we don’t have a generic fantasy world" and that "I don’t really think it is possible to distinguish some of the things you’re choosing between as ‘good or bad’ or ‘good and evil.", implying that Dragon Age has a generic fantasy world and it's choices being clearly evil or good. Those are actually things that Bioware did really well in Origins, setting up that choices are more grey than good/bad, and establishing a non-generic fantasy world while still retaining the core aspects of fantasy.

Overall, it sounds like the guys working on the Witcher are afraid because they know Bioware is great at doing these types of game, and they know they will have a hard time getting a piece of the cake. At least the impression I'm getting.

[Ammonite]

Phazor58 wrote...



Sex cards are gone, just to let you know.

Good. That ups my likelihood of buying it used this year. Thanks for the info.

[Haristo]

CD Projekt just shot an already dead deer... We don't care of Dragon Age II Graphics, this is a RPG, not a FPS.



And the Dragon Age Setting is much more original than the Witcher's Setting in my opinion... so now let's compare :



BioWare : We have a nice story driven original Scenario about THAT AWESOME guy who will be a f'kin badass and we enjoyed to write that, there is lot of choices, no ''Good/Evil'' options allowing you to be in control of everything and everyone who enjoys nice plot will adore our game !



CD Projekt : Uh... we have better graphics...

[Dave of Canada]

Marionetten wrote...

You mad, Dave? You did seem a little mad in your earlier post.

Never mad, actually. Though it's quite humorous when I'm thought to be mad.

Myself I find it somewhat humorous when your average fanboy tries to defend his beloved company by viciously attacking another by spewing uninformed garbage.

Inform the people instead of going "LOLOLOLOLOLO" then? If you can disprove a point, do so.

[Merci357]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't The Witcher 2 - for now at least - a PC only game? Is anyone surprised that a PC only game can look far, far better then the current multiplatform games?



That said, I'm looking forward to both games. And like Mike Laidlaw said in a recent interview, there are so few western fantasy RPGs at all, there is room for all of them.

[TheConfidenceMan]

Origins looks better than DA2, so it's not much of a surprise that a new high-end game built for PC will also look better.

[Patriciachr34]

Hopefully the options in DA2 will be a bit less obvious as well. The choice between Harrowmont and Behlen was the most difficult simply because the choice was not that black and white. I'm hoping we see more scenarios like this in DA2.

[Dark Specie]

Herr Uhl wrote...
Yes, yes he is. Didn't figure the witcher world to be any more unique though.

*shrugs*

I agree. Both do try to set themselves apart from the Tolkien-standard, but both also have elements in them that people would, on a first glance, call "generic" (such as dwarves and elves)...

[Cuthlan]

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

Origins looks better than DA2, so it's not much of a surprise that a new high-end game built for PC will also look better.

...what?

[Isaidlunch]

aznricepuff wrote...

Pretending DA:O was black and white? Really?

I'd
have to agree that DA:O was more black and white than the marketing
made it out to be. While there are choices that are more shades of gray
(the choice of who to put on Orzammar's throne, or Morrigan's ritual,
for example) a lot of the other quests kind of sold out, so to speak.
*DAO SPOILERS* For example, when saving Connor from the Desire Demon,
you can get the Circle to help you resulting in a everybody-wins
situation. It would have been much better if they had simply kept the
options to "kill connor" or "sacrifice isolde". There's a similar thing
going on with the Dalish elves main quest. Convincing zathrian to end
the curse was the clear "good" option. Would have been more interesting
if the choices were limited to either kill witherfang or kill the
elves.

I agree that the "third options" made choices
black and white at times but for a Witcher dev to brush off DA:O as if
it's completely black and white is laughable.

[aznricepuff]

I may be completely wrong but it's possible that the CDP rep meant the witcher has a more defined setting/world rather than a more unique one when he referred to da having a "generic fantasy world". If this is what he meant, then I agree. I mean...Sapkowski wrote how many of those books? And DA really only has 1 game and a few tie-in novels.



Of course, just because a setting is more defined doesn't mean it's better. In fact, with a newer setting it's easier to be creative and craft stories that fit the developers' visions. I think that's one of the reasons why bioware went ahead and made their own IP instead of doing another D&D game a la Baldur's Gate for example.

[October Sixth]

He's right. That doesn't mean DA2 will be a bad game.

[Mr.House]

There is more to a game then graphics. If the Witcher team thinks graphics make a game, then I feel sorry for them. Writing, gameplay and sound come before graphics in my books.

[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Is this the same guy that said Bioware ripped off Witcher and it's romances?

I'd laugh if it was.

Let me find that quote. Here.

Oh, but here's another one. He added that it's his "private opinion". On a public website? 

Arrogant sons-a, aren't they?

[Rimfrost]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Hopefully the options in DA2 will be a bit less obvious as well. The choice between Harrowmont and Behlen was the most difficult simply because the choice was not that black and white. I'm hoping we see more scenarios like this in DA2.

Agreed. 

To me DA:O was a master piece from a story TELLING standpoint. The pacing, sense of scale and importance stood out. But the actual choices where overall too easy. It was too easy to have an all good outcome. To easy to be the hero. Sure not all the places and still better then average but in my mind the greyness of the choices wasn't that outstanding.

[Marionetten]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Inform the people instead of going "LOLOLOLOLOLO" then? If you can disprove a point, do so.

CD Projekt did a whole lot more than translate BioWare games. A quick visit to wikipedia would have told you that.

But I'm not really here to inform people. I take far more enjoyment in mocking uneducated fanboys.

[Eclipse_9990]

Okay. So the Witcher devs are being [unpleasant]... Um.. Whatever?

[no swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 février 2011 - 08:38 .

[Savvie]

It's good to have a variety (graphics, story, combat etc) of games within the same genre, but I'm not sold on a game purely by having great graphics. The story is the biggest attraction for me, and that's where Bioware gets my support for their games. Sure Witcher 2 may end up having a great story as well, but I tried Witcher 1 and it did not appeal to me like Bioware's games do. It was a bit tactless with how he tried to put Dragon age 2 down.

[SnakeHelah]

Well, The Witcher definitelly has better graphics.... But hey I can go play Crysis if I want stunning graphics. So you know, how it looks from the outside doesn't really matter THAT much.