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[Herr Uhl]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Hopefully the options in DA2 will be a bit less obvious as well. The choice between Harrowmont and Behlen was the most difficult simply because the choice was not that black and white. I'm hoping we see more scenarios like this in DA2.

Yeah, there were some things that were pretty obvious, like the lady of the forest bit as well as some where the alternative just seemed dumb (I'm looking at you defense of Redcliffe) or the whole reason to do the mission kind of dumb (I'm looking at you Haven).

[thegoldfinch]

Anarya wrote...

I preferred Laidlaw's answer to that sort of thing, really. Bioware devs just seem so adorable and friendly...

This! I've never seen them be anything but good sports about their competition. It pleases me. Anyone bashing them makes me feel like they're kicking a kitten. A kitten that feeds on tears and rage, but an adorable kitten nonetheless.

The graphics issue comes down to realism versus style. I prefer style. Realism has this tendency to get lost in the sea of the countless other games trying to be modern and gritty. I find it boring. Style lends you memorability, and my limited marketing sensibilities says that is better for the long run.

[boohead]

Witcher2 will be good but i doubt it will be DAO or ME2 quality in terms of review scores.





GFX look better than any bioware game though, highly doubt it will win the same amount of GOTYs.

[aznricepuff]

I agree that the "third options" made choices

black and white at times but for a Witcher dev to brush off DA:O as if

it's completely black and white is laughable.

Yea, I don't mean to say DAO was completely black and white. But a lot of people tend to defend the game as having completely morally gray choices despite the fact that this simply isn't the case.

[Dark Specie]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Hopefully the options in DA2 will be a bit less obvious as well. The choice between Harrowmont and Behlen was the most difficult simply because the choice was not that black and white. I'm hoping we see more scenarios like this in DA2.

I guess, but mind you, I STILL want the option to take a third choice now and then. Funny thing is that Bioware gave me the impression that third choices would be difficult to obtain in DAO, yet save for the Connor thing, which you could miss out on by siding with the templars before you went to Redcliffe, no third options were all that difficult to obtain...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 10 février 2011 - 08:22 .

[Rimfrost]

My main concern with the witcher series is the action oriented (user skill based) combat. I'm to old/uninterested in mastering skills in that sense. That's why I like DA:O with commands instead of timing skill. (I might be in minority).



One thing I have high hopes for are the W2 boss fights that are more times event then skill based. I think that could be interesting as I find boss battles on average boring (and Bioware has hinted the end fight might be the same in DA:2 I think)

[Saibh]

Marionetten wrote...

CD Projekt did a whole lot more than translate BioWare games. A quick visit to wikipedia would have told you that.

But I'm not really here to inform people. I take far more enjoyment in mocking uneducated fanboys.

Yeah, I'm not seeing where they've done a ton else. They translated the games for the Polish market. And then they made The Witcher.

[Eclipse_9990]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Well, The Witcher definitelly has better graphics.... But hey I can go play Crysis if I want stunning graphics. So you know, how it looks from the outside doesn't really matter THAT much.

Pretty much this... *Goes off to play some Crysis* 

[Marionetten]

pixieface wrote...

This! I've never seen them be anything but good sports about their competition.

Except that one time when they casually dismissed the whole JRPG genre, you mean?

Saibh wrote...

Yeah, I'm not seeing where they've done a ton else. They translated the games for the Polish market. And then they made The Witcher.

Correct. They translated games for the Polish market. A whole lot more than just BioWare games. BioWare was a very small part of it.

Modifié par Marionetten, 10 février 2011 - 08:25 .

[Haristo]

And let all remembers : they are using BioWare technologies to do their games

The Witchers 1 was made with the same Engine BioWare created for KOTOR 1st ! they published  and translated Baldur's Gate in Polish ! eventhe actual engine for The Witchers 2 (RED Engine) is based on BioWare stuff ! this is pityfull to ear : They are actually spitting on the guys who made them live and get strong enough to make their own games

[AK3Hiker]

lulz, devs talking smack. Hey, more power to them. The proof is in the pudding. IMHO, story over graphics also (to a point).

[Amyntas]

I can't say i disagree in the graphics department, I've said the same thing myself, but I'm not even remotely interested in the Witcher 2. The game seems to appeal too much to the teenage definition of "mature" with its sex cards and other nonsense.

[HTTP 404]

this thread is going 1000 mph! by the time I post this one whole page will be full!!

anyways.  I think bioware doesnt need to respond, any self-respecting developer would just let their game speak for themselves.

however seeing Mike Laidlaw in a tracksuit and a headband ready to dance off against Witcher devs amuses me.

[astreqwerty]

everything they say is sadly true

[Russalka]

Marionetten wrote...
But I'm not really here to inform people. I take far more enjoyment in mocking uneducated fanboys.

There are not that many "uneducated" posts here. And if you mean my first post, it was mostly in defence of that developer. I loathe the Witcher series myself.

[Dave of Canada]

Marionetten wrote...

But I'm not really here to inform people. I take far more enjoyment in mocking uneducated fanboys.

Not seeing it but since you're just here to troll, I guess I should just ignore you, "Witcher fanboy".

[Phazor58]

Just as an additional informational comment before I head off to class...some people are mentioning how they didn't like The Witcher's timing based combat. That's been removed. You can now freely switch between fast and strong combat moves without having to switch stances, and you can attack, defend, and dodge freely as well. Of course, you still have to be very tactical with your attacks since you're often being attacked by multiple people at once (and you're alone, rather than in a party like in DA).

[Saibh]

Marionetten wrote...

Correct. They translated games for the Polish market. A whole lot more than just BioWare games.

Ah, I see, you were saying they translated more than BioWare games. I thought you were implying they did something else than translate. In any case, I think Dave was just pointing out that they seem to have this...inferiority complex that they need to overcome by bashing a company they once did the translations for. And used the engine of.

[Phazor58]

Amyntas wrote...

I can't say i disagree in the graphics department, I've said the same thing myself, but I'm not even remotely interested in the Witcher 2. The game seems to appeal too much to the teenage definition of "mature" with its sex cards and other nonsense.

Ugh...read people.  I've already said sex cards are gone.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Graphics does not a good game make. As far as I can remember (and it wasn't that long ago since I played Witcher), the plot was about as deep as a puddle, the writing was terrible, and the actors were even worse. I would just get Geralt laid when I was bored. Yes, the new game does look very pretty. So do a lot of JRPGs that they were so quick to dismiss (can we say FFXIII?) ... Just sayin'.

[Rimfrost]

I'm reading the Witcher novel right now and it's actually an interesting world with interesting people so if they tone down the "teenage definition of mature ("boobies") and focus on the larger conflicts in the world then it could be a very interesting game. He is right in that they have a good world to pick from.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

In any case, I think Dave was just pointing out that they seem to have this...inferiority complex that they need to overcome by bashing a company they once did the translations for. And used the engine of.

I meant the majority of games they did translate were Bioware games, using Bioware engines or associated with Bioware in one way or another. Not that all they did was that. Now that they're making their own games using a Bioware engine, they seem to enjoy calling out Bioware on ripping them off in the romance department and saying immature comments in general.

Note, I feel the same way about Bioware's JRPG comment but this thread isn't about what Bioware said but more about CD Projekt calling out Bioware on loads of things. It's slander marketing which is rather poor taste.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 février 2011 - 08:29 .

[Patriciachr34]

Rimfrost wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Hopefully the options in DA2 will be a bit less obvious as well. The choice between Harrowmont and Behlen was the most difficult simply because the choice was not that black and white. I'm hoping we see more scenarios like this in DA2.

Agreed. 

To me DA:O was a master piece from a story TELLING standpoint. The pacing, sense of scale and importance stood out. But the actual choices where overall too easy. It was too easy to have an all good outcome. To easy to be the hero. Sure not all the places and still better then average but in my mind the greyness of the choices wasn't that outstanding.

I think that the one thing I did like about TW is that I did not feel any choice was the "right" choice.  My Geralt did not feel  "clean"  when I finished the game despite the fact that I took what could be considered a more honorable path.  It's that aspect that kept me playing the game until the very end (chapter 5 blew chunks by the way)  I would like to have that opportunity in DA2 as well.  One becomes a heroe by default, not necesarily by choice; and often the reality of the choices are darker than legend reveals.  It would be great to explore this in our Hawkes.  What price needed to be paid, what compromise needed to be reached to make Hawke the Champion of Kikwall?

[Guitar-Hero]

Ofcourse they look better, they only have half of the features bioware puts in DA2, Bioware handles a lot of things better, conversation, voiceacting(mostly), costumization, character development, and to say that DA consists of only black and white moral choices or delemmas really just show how much attention he was paying to the game, while the Witcher does a few things a little better, like moral ambiguety or graphics, to think that TW is the supirior game is redundant, but i guess we will see.

[Marionetten]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Not seeing it but since you're just here to troll, I guess I should just ignore you, "Witcher fanboy".

Of course I'm just a troll. I did after all prove that your original point was nothing but condescending [crap]. Something which you're clearly in the habit of spouting.

[no swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 février 2011 - 08:40 .