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[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I meant the majority of games they did translate were Bioware games, using Bioware engines or associated with Bioware in one way or another. Not that all they did was that. Now that they're making their own games using a Bioware engine, they seem to enjoy calling out Bioware on ripping them off in the romance department and saying immature comments in general.

Note, I feel the same way about Bioware's JRPG comment but this thread isn't about what Bioware said.

No, Dave, you want to punch them all in the face and then burn their puppies alive. Correct yourself on your raging fanboi-ism.

[Ammonite]

Phazor58 wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

I can't say i disagree in the graphics department, I've said the same thing myself, but I'm not even remotely interested in the Witcher 2. The game seems to appeal too much to the teenage definition of "mature" with its sex cards and other nonsense.

Ugh...read people.  I've already said sex cards are gone.

That doesn't quite mean the mentality behind it is gone, though.
Edit: meaning the point Amyntas is making is still valid.

Modifié par Ammonite, 10 février 2011 - 08:30 .

[Rimfrost]

Phazor58 wrote...

Just as an additional informational comment before I head off to class...some people are mentioning how they didn't like The Witcher's timing based combat. That's been removed. You can now freely switch between fast and strong combat moves without having to switch stances, and you can attack, defend, and dodge freely as well. Of course, you still have to be very tactical with your attacks since you're often being attacked by multiple people at once (and you're alone, rather than in a party like in DA).

Cool. I hope it's more tactical and less skill based but from the game play demos I've seen it seem to be too much running around which makes me nervous. But I like that you can pause to give commands or do things and time doesn't stop but slows down forcing you to still act. 

I'm interested enough to buy the game but I'm far from convinced I will see it all the way to the end (same thing with Human Revolution). I'm much more convinced I will finsih DA:2

[Haristo]

Rimfrost wrote...

I'm reading the Witcher novel right now and it's actually an interesting world with interesting people so if they tone down the "teenage definition of mature ("boobies") and focus on the larger conflicts in the world then it could be a very interesting game. He is right in that they have a good world to pick from.

the novel sounds right and interresting. the game has those ''hey teenagers ! You wanna be ''matures'' ! buy our stuff we have boobies !'' à la Final Fantasy (Vanille's L'cie tattoo on her ass... was that usefull ?) moments...

[Taleroth]

I do agree with him, though. The choices of Witcher tended to be more political and have better C&C. For all my love of DAO, the choices felt kind of inconsistent in being choosing between being a jerk and being nice.  When they did go against it and actually aimed for more interesting c&c, it still felt forced.

Modifié par Taleroth, 10 février 2011 - 08:32 .

[Tamahome560]

Does not sound like what Tomasz Gop ever said in any other interviews when asked to compare to Bioware games ... He always used to say something like I don't want to compare our game to other games because there is not much point in that and RPG games are not really a competition to each other or something.



While I like the Witcher's universe more than DA I've felt a sudden urge to facepalm myself when I saw ''generic fantasy''



And indeed it does look better than DA2 but graphics are not a crucial point at least for me.

[Master Shiori]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The morality in The Witcher seemed pretty black and white to me. It offered a gray path, but few decisions struck me as muddled in ethical questions as they oft imply.

Pretty much this. 

I'll also add that your decisions in most cases resulted in a "gotcha!" moment, because you just couldn't predict what the outcome would be when making that decision.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The generic fantasy world comment seems like an unneccessary swipe at Bioware's artists, though.  A few of the comments from CD Projekt give me the impression they could use a lesson in professional courtesy.  But it's not really my place to call them out for such things.

There's a definite lack of proffesional courtesy here.

Unlike Bioware, Project Red isn't making games in a world they created from scratch. They bought the rights to use the characters, lore and setting created by the writer Andrzej Sapkowski. So, claiming that "our world is more fleshed out" when you personally didn't contribute a damn thing to make it so is ironic.

I really expected more from Project Red than a juvenile "Bwahahaha! My toy is cooler then yours!!" outburst..

I was originally thinking about preordering The Witcher 2 on Steam. But now, I think I'll just use that cash to pay for courses in proffesional courtesy and good manners for poor Tomas Gop., because judging from that interview the man sorely needs them...

Modifié par Master Shiori, 10 février 2011 - 08:32 .

[Dave of Canada]

Marionetten wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Not seeing it but since you're just here to troll, I guess I should just ignore you, "Witcher fanboy".

Of course I'm just a troll. I did after all prove that your original point was nothing but condescending bull****. Something which you're clearly in the habit of spouting.

Aren't you charming.

*pets you on the head*

[Giantdeathrobot]

He should also have added: "our games have more ****** and our devs have more misplaced ego'.

Seriously now, making a game world GRIMDARK with monsters ripped from Eastern Europe fantasy rather than from Western one doesn't make it any less generic. I did like the Order of the Rose vs Squirrels in TW1, but ended up neutral because they were both gangs of whiny, murderous bastards with almost no redeeming qualities.

Graphics are better, and since they used screenshots of earlier versions for both games the comparison is fair. Still, graphics do not make good games. And the comparison with Bethesda ain't even fair, please cite competent game companies at the very least.

Rest is just the guy preaching at his own choir. And judging by the Wtcher boards, fans of the original aren't any more happy than fans of Origins towards the sequel.

[Nerevar-as]

aznricepuff wrote...

I agree that the "third options" made choices
black and white at times but for a Witcher dev to brush off DA:O as if
it's completely black and white is laughable.

Yea, I don't mean to say DAO was completely black and white. But a lot of people tend to defend the game as having completely morally gray choices despite the fact that this simply isn't the case.

TW is almost always about choosing/allowing the lesser evil, to the point a real B/W choice (the werewolf) gets lampshaded by the characters. DA had the Bhelen vs Harrowmont choice, but little else. BW needs to step away from the saint/puppy killer duality.  Ironically, TW makes the world a little better place than the one from the books, but at moments it was like the good moments from LotR movies, when you felt you were watching Middle Earth itself. DA, however, seems to be changing the looks of the world just in the second game, towards flashiness. Wonder what will happen with DA3 if ASoF&I series is a big hit. I think the devs are trying to give the world its own identity, but they are trying too hard.

[Junri]

I liked The Witcher. It was fun. I liked DA:O. It was fun. I am looking forward to both their sequels. Fact is that they may be both fantasy games, they both offer two different styles of gameplay.

[KawaiiKatie]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 février 2011 - 08:40 .

[hawat333]

The novel IS right and interesting, I'd highly recommend reading it.

[Catsith]

SandyWB wrote...
Overall, it sounds like the guys working on the Witcher are afraid because they know Bioware is great at doing these types of game, and they know they will have a hard time getting a piece of the cake. At least the impression I'm getting.

I don't think they're afraid. They are trying to make as much noise as possible to become the next big RPG developer and get everyone talking about their game instead of DA2 or Skyrim, and apparently the only way to do that for them is to take shots at Bioware and Bethesda, who are towering giants compared to them.

[Marionetten]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Not seeing it but since you're just here to troll, I guess I should just ignore you, "Witcher fanboy".

Of course I'm just a troll. I did after all prove that your original point was nothing but condescending bull****. Something which you're clearly in the habit of spouting.

Aren't you charming.

*pets you on the head*

Point in case. Well, at least that's settled.

Saibh wrote...

Ah, I see, you were saying they translated more than BioWare games. I thought you were implying they did something else than translate. In any case, I think Dave was just pointing out that they seem to have this...inferiority complex that they need to overcome by bashing a company they once did the translations for. And used the engine of.

Which is even more [messed] up. To imply that they're suffering for some sort of inferiority complex for daring to compare their game to BioWare's? I'm honestly embarrassed to be a BioWare fan right now.

[no swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 10 février 2011 - 08:41 .

[Guitarjoe91]

I'm sure both will be very good. The competition is stupid, especially considering Skyrim will trump all

[Eclipse_9990]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Graphics does not a good game make. As far as I can remember (and it wasn't that long ago since I played Witcher), the plot was about as deep as a puddle, the writing was terrible, and the actors were even worse. I would just get Geralt laid when I was bored. Yes, the new game does look very pretty. So do a lot of JRPGs that they were so quick to dismiss (can we say FFXIII?) ... Just sayin'.

Well if it wasnt for JRPG's I wouldnt have even gotten into the Rpg genre. But I think Bioware was right in that some of them(not all as they insinuated) don't really change.

I love me some JRPG sometimes. The shin megami tensei series, and Dragon Quest VIII are pretty much one of my favorites, and I enjoyed Kingdom Hearts way more than DA:O. But to be fair that was an Action RPG. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 10 février 2011 - 08:35 .

[Chaia]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Oh yay, people have different opinions.

I know... its crazy isnt it?

How dare they!  

Lol but no in seriousness, the graphics he sorts of has a point, but the trouble the the quality of the graphics in DA2 seem to be changing with each new picture, so I'm keeping my final jugement until I actully play the game.

But I don't see where he can get off about the story and plot stucture, in the Witcher 1 (yes I've played it, and yes I liked it) the choices had some grey areas but it was mostly black and white hiding behind a political backdrop, and the plot itself...well Yahtzee can summerise it better then I can.

[mesmerizedish]

Marionetten wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Not seeing it but since you're just here to troll, I guess I should just ignore you, "Witcher fanboy".

Of course I'm just a troll. I did after all prove that your original point was nothing but condescending bull****. Something which you're clearly in the habit of spouting.

Whoah, that's not nice! First, Dave of Canada is Canadian, so being mean to him is like kicking a kitten. Second, can't we just all get along? We are not these companies' private militias. We're all just here to play good games .

[Dave of Canada]

Marionetten wrote...

Point in case. Well, at least that's settled.

Already answered your point earlier, though you just ignored that and went on the defense. Are you mad, Marionetten? It seems you are, else you wouldn't be on the offense so much and wouldn't swear, you can't seem to keep your cool.

Let's be cool, like fonzy.

[Saibh]

Tamahome560 wrote...

Does not sound like what Tomasz Gop ever said in any other interviews when asked to compare to Bioware games ... He always used to say something like I don't want to compare our game to other games because there is not much point in that and RPG games are not really a competition to each other or something.

While I like the Witcher's universe more than DA I've felt a sudden urge to facepalm myself when I saw ''generic fantasy''

And indeed it does look better than DA2 but graphics are not a crucial point at least for me.

I provided a link earlier when he claimed ME1 included sex scenes because The Witcher did. Which is utterly ridiculous. I think that he usually says careful PR craft, and then occasionally slips and lets his inferiority complex shine.

[Nerevar-as]

Haristo wrote...

Rimfrost wrote...

I'm reading the Witcher novel right now and it's actually an interesting world with interesting people so if they tone down the "teenage definition of mature ("boobies") and focus on the larger conflicts in the world then it could be a very interesting game. He is right in that they have a good world to pick from.

the novel sounds right and interresting. the game has those ''hey teenagers ! You wanna be ''matures'' ! buy our stuff we have boobies !'' à la Final Fantasy (Vanille's L'cie tattoo on her ass... was that usefull ?) moments...

Sex cards aside they made a great work with the world. The Geralt/Triss screens look more like something from books. BW however seems to be still scared from the ME backlash.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Graphics does not a good game make. As far as I can remember (and it wasn't that long ago since I played Witcher), the plot was about as deep as a puddle, the writing was terrible, and the actors were even worse. I would just get Geralt laid when I was bored. Yes, the new game does look very pretty. So do a lot of JRPGs that they were so quick to dismiss (can we say FFXIII?) ... Just sayin'.

Well to be fair. If it wasnt for JRPG's I wouldnt have even gotten into the Rpg genre. Though I think Bioware was right in that some of them(not all as they insinuated). Don't really change.

The shin megami tensei series, are pretty much one of my favorites, and I enjoyed Kingdom Hearts way more than DA:O. But to be fair that was an Action RPG. 

Yeah, I don't like that they completely dismissed JRPGs either.  I would be a liar if I said I wasn't a big Final Fantasy fan when I was younger.  I still am to some degree, just of the older games.

[Saibh]

Marionetten wrote...

Which is even more ****ed up. To imply that they're suffering for some sort of inferiority complex for daring to compare their game to BioWare's? I'm honestly embarrassed to be a BioWare fan right now.

I already provided two links where they have bashed BioWare or claimed they were some how better than BioWare before.

They have an inferiority complex.

A major one.

[Maugrim]

Bought the PC enhanced edition of The Witcher when it came out, partially for the rave reviews, partially to support a new RPG developer. Never got past the second chapter because...well it was boring. The combat was tedious and the story was not original in any sense of the word. Seeing as they proudly announce that it's based upon a series of novels.



And no CDPDF the argument 'it gets better later' is not valid. The sequel I will admit looks better to me but I'll wait till it goes to the bargain bin at the least. Maybe they'll have learned something from DAO.