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[Saibh]

Marionetten wrote...

Saibh wrote...

They have an inferiority complex.

A major one.

And you're clearly yet another major fanboy embarrasing this community by attempting to psychoanalyze another developer.

Nice going, doc.

I don't need to psychoanalyze things.

He claims he's influenced a major triple A title with the use of sex scenes in his game. Patently false. Not just because BioWare has had sex in their games for a long time, but especially if you just look at the timeline.

He claims that DA is a generic fantasy world, but that his world is somehow more developed. He has contributing nothing to "his" world. It's someone else's that he is using. Besides that, Thedas isn't a generic fantasy world--it simply built its roots in one.

Also, I am a fangirl.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 février 2011 - 08:50 .

[Noviere]

I do think TW2 has the edge graphically... But I actually like DA2's graphics a lot, so it's not going to dictate which game I buy.

The nail in the coffin for TW(for me) is that I have to play their character. I get it! It's based on some books, so Geralt can't be a girl, or have black hair, or whatever. That doesn't negate the fact that I don't want to be an albino badboy whose super power is being sexy to ladies(hello, nerd fantasy).

makenzieshepard wrote...

Bought the PC enhanced edition of The Witcher when it came out, partially for the rave reviews, partially to support a new RPG developer. Never got past the second chapter because...well it was boring. The combat was tedious and the story was not original in any sense of the word.

You basically summed up my experience with the Witcher. I remember finding the whole thing tedious. I think I lasted 5-6 hours tops.

Modifié par Noviere, 10 février 2011 - 08:50 .

[iamnar]

the fact i'm forced to play as dante from devil may cry makes the game instantly lame. personally i enjoy a role playing game that allows me to make my pc look like ME...especially given the fact i'm not caucasian. it's one of the biggest reasons i LOVE mass effect, kotr, and dragon age...as well as fallout and elder scrolls...(p.s.thank you for changing the family look for DAO2, as a cousland even though i adored my famiy i felt adopted.)

[John Epler]

To echo what Stan said - let's make things very, very clear.

You are allowed to discuss whatever you want, so long as you are civil. Some of you have decided you do not need to be civil - this is not how these forums work, and unnecessary vitirol and attacks are not welcome on these forums.

Disagree, discuss, but stay civil. Being overly confrontational and caustic is not civil.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 10 février 2011 - 08:51 .

[sjrskl]

the witcher 2 does look nice but graphics are not the reason i buy bioware games. on the other hand the more Rpg developers, the better i say. a bit of healthy competition might spark more games and that is alright in my book

[packardbell]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Graphics are better on the technical part in TW2. DA:O graphics were dated and DA2 does not get any significant improvements.

The style is very different as well. DA2 has a pretty cartoony look with JRPG influences (gay emo elf) whereas TW2 has a very mature atmosphere + graphics. While Bioware with DA2 wants to broaden their audience while alienating others, TW2 keeps true to the fans of the first parts.

So yes, he is completely right. Bioware has last gen graphics, TW2 has state of the art graphics. It's not about which is the better game. It's about better graphics. And TW2 does have better graphics...end of the story.

Aren't opinions fun, besides extreme graphics and having it PC exclusive severely limits their chance of high sales. 

[NinjaRogue]

*admits* TW2 seems to have amazing graphic

*admits* got fable 1 before any game that allowed choices

*admits* got Mass Effect and Dragon age waaaay before I got The Witcher

*admits* The Witcher is setting on my shelf, never having been played. ;0

Mainly because it won't play on my lapttop for some reason, even though it should.

But onto me being serious. The guy just seems like jerk saying that. <_<

Modifié par NinjaRogue, 10 février 2011 - 08:52 .

[Nerevar-as]

iamnar wrote...

the fact i'm forced to play as dante from devil may cry makes the game instantly lame. personally i enjoy a role playing game that allows me to make my pc look like ME...especially given the fact i'm not caucasian. it's one of the biggest reasons i LOVE mass effect, kotr, and dragon age...as well as fallout and elder scrolls...(p.s.thank you for changing the family look for DAO2, as a cousland even though i adored my famiy i felt adopted.)

The postman was from Rivain, I think.

[MerinTB]

TW2 is probably objectively the better with the graphics, sure.



I don't like how it looks, though.



Granted, I'm not a big fan of the art style for DA2 either, so this is just kind of a funny argument to me.

[Beerfish]

The Witcher 2 graphics look really good. I might be able to appreciate them this time if they have totally revamped their combat, if they haven't I won't be purchasing it.

[KBomb]

Marionetten wrote...

Saibh wrote...

They have an inferiority complex.

A major one.

And you're clearly yet another major fanboy embarrasing this community by attempting to psychoanalyze another developer.

Nice going, doc.

I think Siabh was giving you very civil, and informed answers. I think you should afford her the same courtesy. You don’t really need to keep showing your crass I would hope that you have more of a lexicon than curse words and insults. Especially since you deem others uneducated.

That being said, I agree that the developer seemed very unprofessional. Bioware’s responses to being compared to other companies seem very neutral and at times welcoming in competition. Being a good sport says a lot about what kind of person, or organization you are. I thought the “My dad is better than your dad!” argument was for elementary school.

[Elsariel]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

I can't say i disagree in the graphics department, I've said the same thing myself, but I'm not even remotely interested in the Witcher 2. The game seems to appeal too much to the teenage definition of "mature" with its sex cards and other nonsense.

And the "push a button and something awesome happens" super fast, blow up everyone you hit, "man, he's so BAD ASS" action is appealing to the mature player base how? Don't fool yourself. DA2 is directed at that same teen/X-Bro player base.

Ahem.  I'm a mature player and it appeals to me. 

[Hathur]

JohnEpler wrote...

To echo what Stan said - let's make things very, very clear.

You are allowed to discuss whatever you want, so long as you are civil. Some of you have decided you do not need to be civil - this is not how these forums work, and unnecessary vitirol and attacks are not welcome on these forums.

Disagree, discuss, but stay civil. Being overly confrontational and caustic is not civil.

Basically, the same principle that applies in real life... "don't be a douche."

Modifié par Hathur, 10 février 2011 - 08:53 .

[Saibh]

I agree that The Witcher has better graphics, but I don't care about graphics. So long as it doesn't look like an old PS1 game, it's fine to me. What grinds my gears is claiming Thedas is a generic fantasy setting. And that The Witcher influenced BioWare in how they handle romance, choices, and consequences.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 février 2011 - 08:53 .

[mesmerizedish]

MerinTB wrote...

TW2 is probably objectively the better with the graphics, sure.

I don't like how it looks, though.

Granted, I'm not a big fan of the art style for DA2 either, so this is just kind of a funny argument to me.

On the technical side, yeah, The Witcher's graphics are more advanced. But DAII is artistically better, I think. Kirkwall looks maginificent to me.

[XX55XX]

Honestly, as much as I like Dragon Age, I have to agree with this guy.

The Witcher is far more unique in terms of setting because it draws heavily from Eastern European mythology, and not from Western conventions of epic fantasy (Lord of the Rings, etc.). Okay, so it was based on a series of books, but the source material is quite original in that respect.

Dragon Age's world, while it has its own flair, is much less detailed than the world of The Witcher and draws too heavily from stuff like A Song of Fire and Ice, Wheel of Time, and of course, Lord of the Rings. BioWare might have done better in this department had they looked to other sources instead, like Aztec or Maya mythology, perhaps?

As for the moral choices, BioWare has been improving in this aspect, but quite frankly, the choices in Dragon Age have zero bearing on gameplay considerations later, unlike The Witcher, where choices you make over the course of the game do have a bearing on gameplay considerations later.

BioWare has much to learn from CD Projeckt, in my opinion. I am surprised by the number of people stiffing CD Projeckt on this one - honestly, The Witcher is one of the best games I have ever played and this producer certainly has many valid points of criticism.

I have both Dragon Age 2 and The Witcher 2 pre-ordered, and I personally think that The Witcher 2 will be better in my book. Not to say that I won't enjoy Dragon Age 2 any less, though.

Modifié par XX55XX, 10 février 2011 - 08:54 .

[Nerevar-as]

Beerfish wrote...

The Witcher 2 graphics look really good. I might be able to appreciate them this time if they have totally revamped their combat, if they haven't I won't be purchasing it.

They say it´s Arkham Asylum like. Don´t know how it would feel in a RPG, the first game was already based around timed clicks, but by the end I could win most fights without looking at the screen.

[Velvetmeds]

Hardly matters which one looks better, specially cause i'm sure it'll play worse than DA2...

[Haristo]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Marionetten, Dave of Canada, get a room if you're going to continue to snipe at each other. thank you.

He had reach, but she had flexibility.

[NinjaRogue]

Saibh wrote...

I agree that The Witcher has better graphics, but I don't care about graphics. So long as it doesn't look like an old PS1 game, it's fine to me. What grinds my gears is claiming Thedas is a generic fantasy setting. And that The Witcher influenced BioWare in how they handle romance, choices, and consequences.

Agreed:ph34r:

[Fraevar]

Well like others said - the Witcher 2 team did not have to work within the confines of the Xbox 360 or PS3. You can do a lot of stuff when you have totally free reign, though obviously it's better to check yourself, lest we forget: "But can it play Crysis?"



But yes - The Witcher 2 does look quite a lot better than Dragon Age 2. On visuals, CD Projekt have really handed it to BioWare this time.

[Nerevar-as]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

On the technical side, yeah, The Witcher's graphics are more advanced. But DAII is artistically better, I think. Kirkwall looks maginificent to me.

Concept art yeah, graphics however don´t. I hope the Deep Roads demo is not the game standard.

[Zunger]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...


And, DA:O was pretty black and white. It's already been spelled out here (kill the boy, kill his mom, or, wait while I go clear a tower and come back to save the day). What was black and white about siding with either genocidal humans, or women and children murdering elven/dwarven rebels, or try to stay out of it and letting the world consume itself? Seriously, play the game, or at least do a modicum of research before spewing ignorant filth about something you know nothing about.

That part about Chapter 4 of The Witcher is quite true. What I really enjoyed about The Witcher is how much the choices matter and that you can't just reload to make another choice. 

That is what really cheapened Dragon Age for me. I side with Templars to get the achievement, then I reload and side with Mages. The worst thing is that it takes me five minutes, while in Witcher it would be at least 2-3 hours.

[mesmerizedish]

Nerevar-as wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

On the technical side, yeah, The Witcher's graphics are more advanced. But DAII is artistically better, I think. Kirkwall looks maginificent to me.

Concept art yeah, graphics however don´t. I hope the Deep Roads demo is not the game standard.

Really? I thought they were really cool looking. Meh, opinions

[Chuvvy]

Kazanth wrote...

I'd prefer if he wanted to make his game look good that he didn't pretend DA:O was something it wasn't. Pretending DA:O was black and white? Really?

Well, it was. All the choices that could have been grey had a third everyone lives happily ever after option. Also the man speaks the truth, TW2's graphics are great. DA2s are, average at best.