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[Haristo]

Saibh wrote...

Eurogamer: A lot of RPG games these days deal in choice and consequence. What do you think are the best examples in the genre at the moment and how does The Witcher 2 improve upon what's come before?

Jan Bartkowicz: I like how BioWare approaches the subject sometimes. I was a fan of Knights of the Old Republic - I loved the way there were just a few choices but they had really big consequences. I think it's impossible to create a game that has tons of choices and great consequences because at the time you're basically creating five games at the same time, and there's no point doing that.

I think we're not really that much influenced by other games if we're talking about just telling the story. I think it's hard to compare The Witcher with specific other games. But I think The Witcher 1 made some really big steps in this department, and there are some games out there right now that are pretty much influenced by The Witcher, so we're hoping to head down that road further.

Eurogamer: Which games do you think are influenced by The Witcher?

Jan Bartkowicz: Okay, er... [laughs]

Eurogamer: You said it!

Jan Bartkowicz: This is going to be bold, right, but I think Mass Effect was and Dragon Age was for sure, because we made some things that weren't really that popular in RPGs at the time. For example, erotic themes in RPG games - it's still really difficult to handle. You see games running into clichéd areas when doing erotic content. It's hard to do them as a believable thing because the player's always trying to find the hidden mechanism behind it so it will be easy to show. Mass Effect has its way to do this and I think Dragon Age was bolder than that too. So I think Witcher was an important factor in this department.

Also in the choice-and-consequence department. Dragon Age really was influenced by us and that's great, because it's a genre that doesn't have that many games and it's not like that serious a competition, because at the end of the day if you're an RPG player you're not going to get that many games, so you're not considering, "Is it going to be Fallout 3 for me or The Witcher?" You're probably going to play both. It's not like Bad Company or Modern Warfare where you're playing through the whole year. That's why I think our little RPG genre family is more tight, because we're not looking at each other thinking, "Argh, they're going to steal our gamers!"

Feel the arrogance.

that's ridiculous... it feel exactly like Crytek when they talk about other FPS... and how good their ego is

Modifié par Haristo, 10 février 2011 - 09:09 .

[finnugold]

I prefer the DA2 graphics over TW2, honestly... because there's no way TW2 will run on my computer without shelling out some serious money for a better everything.

[NinjaRogue]

I might play TW2 if I could ever get the Witcher to work on my dang laptop!

[Herr Uhl]

Well, given that the witcher world is more established with several novels under it's belt, they have more details pinned down than DA. Thedas isn't wholly complete as of yet, most countries seem to be almost complete, but made with some wriggle room.

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

Jan Bartkowicz: This is going to be bold, right, but I think Mass Effect was and Dragon Age was for sure, because we made some things that weren't really that popular in RPGs at the time. For example, erotic themes in RPG games - it's still really difficult to handle. You see games running into clichéd areas when doing erotic content. It's hard to do them as a believable thing because the player's always trying to find the hidden mechanism behind it so it will be easy to show. Mass Effect has its way to do this and I think Dragon Age was bolder than that too. So I think Witcher was an important factor in this department.

Also in the choice-and-consequence department. Dragon Age really was influenced by us and that's great, because it's a genre that doesn't have that many games and it's not like that serious a competition, because at the end of the day if you're an RPG player you're not going to get that many games, so you're not considering, "Is it going to be Fallout 3 for me or The Witcher?" You're probably going to play both. It's not like Bad Company or Modern Warfare where you're playing through the whole year. That's why I think our little RPG genre family is more tight, because we're not looking at each other thinking, "Argh, they're going to steal our gamers!"

Feel the arrogance.

/facepalms 

...It's like fanboy nonsense from a dev.  

/sighs at the underlined. You have gots to be kidding me. Really? Really? Did he play any other BW games? Like KOTOR? JE? Both of which far and beyond the Witcher's childish sex cards? 

[Zunger]

Cuthlan wrote...

Zunger wrote...

That part about Chapter 4 of The Witcher is quite true. What I really enjoyed about The Witcher is how much the choices matter and that you can't just reload to make another choice. 

That is what really cheapened Dragon Age for me. I side with Templars to get the achievement, then I reload and side with Mages. The worst thing is that it takes me five minutes, while in Witcher it would be at least 2-3 hours.

...so your style of deliberately immersion-breaking play cheapened Dragon Age?

And that is a fault of Dragon Age?

I am not saying that I don't like Dragon Age. Hell, I love it. Already put 90 hours into it.
I understand your point of view, but I just like the way The Witcher handled decisions better. The consequences just crept up on you as opposed to Dragon Age, where consequnces were relatively immediate (aside from the Epilogue).

Modifié par Zunger, 10 février 2011 - 09:13 .

[Maderas_]

I don't understand why so many people are having a hissy fit over this. CD Projekt said The Witcher 2 has better graphics than Dragon Age 2, and it does. This is pretty much non-debatable. Say what you want about style; the textures, particle effects, and technical aspects all just look better in TW2. It's not like he went into an interview and said "ONLY MALFORMED RETARDS PLAY BIOWARE GAMES! He even said he likes BioWare's games, for God's sake. Calm down, folks.



Also, are we going to start banning people for arguing with the BDF? Really?

[ErichHartmann]

I'm looking forward to both for different reasons. I will say The Witcher 2 is the most beautifully designed RPG to date. My real interest though is the deep character interactions and storyline.  Honestly I'm an RPG connoisseur with a wide range of interests and tastes.

BDF/CDP Forever

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 10 février 2011 - 09:17 .

[John Epler]

Nerevar-as wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

I do admit to some curiosity as to why someone has to be on one side or the other of the 'lines in the sand' that many people seem to have drawn. Though I obviously won't get as much out of DA2 at launch as the rest of you folks, I'm still going to play it! And then, I'll probably pick up all the other RPGs that are coming out this year, and likely play the heck out of them, enjoying them all the way through.

As Mike said, it's a good year for people who like RPGs. Why anyone feels the need to deny themselves one of the games because they happen to be fans of another is beyond me. Obviously, this isn't the only reason why you wouldn't pick up a game - it may be that the game isn't to your taste, and that's fine. Ah well. Maybe I'm too close to everything to get it.

It happens in sports, movies,comics,... why not in video games?

And I can understand it in sports, if for no other reason than the teams really are competing directly. Team A versus Team B, and only one of them can win. I don't understand it in movies and comics, though - it's not like movie 1 wins and movie 2 loses. Both movies can do well.

But again. I think this is a phenomenon I just don't understand.

[Legbiter]

Going to play both DA 2 and the Witcher 2. The more RPG titles, the merrier

[boohead]

I will play all rpgs of this year, but there is no doubt CDP guy is being a tad arrogant.

Whats sad is HE HAS NO RIGHT TO BE so smug about it- Witcher1 did not score as well as DAO or ME series, or win as many as awards.

Modifié par boohead, 10 février 2011 - 09:12 .

[nightcobra]

 not too keen on the witcher series.

tried the first one at a friend's house, i felt the game was boring to be honest.

the games i'm excited to get soon are DA2, Deus ex 3, elder scrolls 5, uncharted 3, mass effect 3 and probably much more.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 10 février 2011 - 09:12 .

[JigPig]

[boohead]

JigPig wrote...

haha thank you. same results from gamerankings.com and other game sites.

[Saibh]

Maderas_ wrote...

I don't understand why so many people are having a hissy fit over this. CD Projekt said The Witcher 2 has better graphics than Dragon Age 2, and it does. This is pretty much non-debatable. Say what you want about style; the textures, particle effects, and technical aspects all just look better in TW2. It's not like he went into an interview and said "ONLY MALFORMED RETARDS PLAY BIOWARE GAMES! He even said he likes BioWare's games, for God's sake. Calm down, folks.

" First, we don’t have a generic fantasy world. I mean [the author] Andrzej Sapkowski spent a huge part of his life doing this. It’s comfortable for us. It’s consistent, it’s really working. Everything is kind of logical in this world, and it works out well for us. The other thing–I don’t really think it is possible to distinguish some of the things you’re choosing between as ‘good or bad’ or ‘good and evil.’ We always like to think about when you have a choice in The Witcher, it’s more like what I would actually do.

It’s not black and white, and that’s the most important thing."

This is the point of contention for many of us.

Also, are we going to start banning people for arguing with the BDF? Really?

I'm really pretty sure the mods said "BDF" is an outlawed term.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 février 2011 - 09:15 .

[Legbiter]

Maderas_ wrote...

It's not like he went into an interview and said "ONLY MALFORMED RETARDS PLAY BIOWARE GAMES! He even said he likes BioWare's games, for God's sake. Calm down, folks.

Also, are we going to start banning people for arguing with the BDF? Really?

Plus, CDProjekt did a friendly nod to Bioware in one of their trailers.

[mesmerizedish]

This is how I feel about CDProjekt vs. BioWare. I took that concept art picture of the Triss character from The Witcher 2, and I used it as a portrait for my character in Baldur's Gate. Pwnt.

[Beerfish]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The Witcher 2 graphics look really good. I might be able to appreciate them this time if they have totally revamped their combat, if they haven't I won't be purchasing it.

They say it´s Arkham Asylum like. Don´t know how it would feel in a RPG, the first game was already based around timed clicks, but by the end I could win most fights without looking at the screen.

I have never played Arkham.  I don't want to wait until the end of the game to get good enough at combat for it not to really lessen my enjoyment of the game.  I think they perhaps outthought themselvs in that aspect.  In any case I really disliked it.  I'll have to wait for some demo combat footage to see how it works.

[Nerevar-as]

Legbiter wrote...

Maderas_ wrote...

It's not like he went into an interview and said "ONLY MALFORMED RETARDS PLAY BIOWARE GAMES! He even said he likes BioWare's games, for God's sake. Calm down, folks.

Also, are we going to start banning people for arguing with the BDF? Really?

Plus, CDProjekt did a friendly nod to Bioware in one of their trailers.

Funny thing about this fan wars is devs usually are frinedly between themselves.

What´s BDF? First time I see that.

[Master Shiori]

JohnEpler wrote...

I do admit to some curiosity as to why someone has to be on one side or the other of the 'lines in the sand' that many people seem to have drawn. Though I obviously won't get as much out of DA2 at launch as the rest of you folks, I'm still going to play it! And then, I'll probably pick up all the other RPGs that are coming out this year, and likely play the heck out of them, enjoying them all the way through.

As Mike said, it's a good year for people who like RPGs. Why anyone feels the need to deny themselves one of the games because they happen to be fans of another is beyond me. Obviously, this isn't the only reason why you wouldn't pick up a game - it may be that the game isn't to your taste, and that's fine. Ah well. Maybe I'm too close to everything to get it.

For me it's not the question of liking BIoware more or being a "rabid fanboy". It's the fact that Mr. Gop shows a distinct lack of professional courtesy, and that's something I won't tolerate in anyone, regardless of which company he represents.

I don't care what Bioware and Project Red think about each other privately. But I do expect them to act in a civil and professional manner when giving statements on public news sites, something that Project Red failed to do here.

If any company crosses that line and displays behaviour I personally judge to be disgusting, then I reserve the right to demonstrate that disgust by not puchasing their product, no matter how much it may appeal to me. 

Modifié par Master Shiori, 10 février 2011 - 09:19 .

[Khayness]

Awesome thread, keep up the good work folks, some of us need entertainment afterall.

[Ryzaki]

Both worlds are pretty non generic from what I've seen. They both have their own sparks.

[PanosSmirnakos]

I'm lucky as a gamer who plays mainly RPGs I guess, because I liked both games (DA:O & Witcher). They are very unique and different, especially in game-play, so you can't really compare them. But technically and artistically the Witcher is indeed superior for me. Also a reason I want to support CD Project Red is that they have their focus on PC gamers (it's rare these days) and their first game was beyond expectations an A class RPG.

[packardbell]

I'll be supporting The Witcher 2 solely for them going no intrusive DRM, However they need to stop talking smack.

[Krytheos]

Saibh wrote...

Catsith wrote...

Saibh wrote...
He claims he's influenced a major triple A title with the use of sex scenes in his game. Patently false. Not just because BioWare has had sex in their games for a long time, but especially if you just look at the timeline.

Did he really say that? Wow. Didn't Mass Effect come out before the Witcher? And they used those godawful "sex cards" while ME used light romance scenes. 

They really need to put a muzzle on that guy.

Eurogamer: A lot of RPG games these days deal in choice and consequence. What do you think are the best examples in the genre at the moment and how does The Witcher 2 improve upon what's come before?

Jan Bartkowicz: I like how BioWare approaches the subject sometimes. I was a fan of Knights of the Old Republic - I loved the way there were just a few choices but they had really big consequences. I think it's impossible to create a game that has tons of choices and great consequences because at the time you're basically creating five games at the same time, and there's no point doing that.

I think we're not really that much influenced by other games if we're talking about just telling the story. I think it's hard to compare The Witcher with specific other games. But I think The Witcher 1 made some really big steps in this department, and there are some games out there right now that are pretty much influenced by The Witcher, so we're hoping to head down that road further.

Eurogamer: Which games do you think are influenced by The Witcher?

Jan Bartkowicz: Okay, er... [laughs]

Eurogamer: You said it!

Jan Bartkowicz: This is going to be bold, right, but I think Mass Effect was and Dragon Age was for sure, because we made some things that weren't really that popular in RPGs at the time. For example, erotic themes in RPG games - it's still really difficult to handle. You see games running into clichéd areas when doing erotic content. It's hard to do them as a believable thing because the player's always trying to find the hidden mechanism behind it so it will be easy to show. Mass Effect has its way to do this and I think Dragon Age was bolder than that too. So I think Witcher was an important factor in this department.

Also in the choice-and-consequence department. Dragon Age really was influenced by us and that's great, because it's a genre that doesn't have that many games and it's not like that serious a competition, because at the end of the day if you're an RPG player you're not going to get that many games, so you're not considering, "Is it going to be Fallout 3 for me or The Witcher?" You're probably going to play both. It's not like Bad Company or Modern Warfare where you're playing through the whole year. That's why I think our little RPG genre family is more tight, because we're not looking at each other thinking, "Argh, they're going to steal our gamers!"

Feel the arrogance.

......


Wow. The arrogance can be felt from miles away. Anyway, I have one thing to say to so much arrogance.  Dragon Age was inspired by ASOIAF, a series of novels that have more character development in it's minor characters than TW had in the entire game. 

Also, Sex Cards. 

Modifié par Krytheos, 10 février 2011 - 09:19 .