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[Magnoliafan]

 Wow, 55 hours of my life came to the final choice...me, or Alistair? If only I knew this when I let Alistair kill Loghain, for fear of losing my main tank and favorite male character (yes, yes I know, people hate Alistair and think he's a crummy tank but that's your opinion for a different post!), I would have gladly made that choice. Loghain would have gained redemption, I could continue to command Alistairs armies and, well...Alistair would have gotten over it.

I played my character as a hero, yet with as much depth as possible. Sometimes I made choices for the greater good, sometimes I made them selfishly and sometimes It all just came to a random coin flip (looking at you, behlin and harrowmont). I couldn't have let Alistair sacrifice himself, so I did it myself. 

And now I come to the big problem.

WTF AM I GOING TO DO IN AWAKENING@!!!@!@!@!!!!1111!!11

So, for those of you that like to nerd it up and RP the content mentally with the story, give me some advice. Did you port your dead warden to awakening with an internal justification, and implied personal storylines? Did you save before the Archdemon and let Alistair die instead for your own reasons? Or did you just restart, with relevant information in mind?

I need help! I'm super bummed. Glad I got to die to save the world, but upset that my sacrifice is for nothing in Awakening. 

[errant_knight]

Well, I'd play the Orlesian warden rather than ressurecting one that did the sacrifice. That's what it's the character is there for. If my characters weren't going to do the dark ritual, which they always have to this point, then I would have done exactly as you did--had Alistair fight and kill Loghain and sacrifice my warden, either out of love/friendship or to ensure that Alistair becomes king. The ulimate sacrifiece is the heroic ending. Sadly, my PC's have always been too focused on personal issues to do it. Nothing wrong with the ending you chose, and Awakening allows for it without retconning. It's not like your Orlesian warden starts at level 10. Actually, when importing an existing warden, Awakening is a little too easy, especially at the beginning and if you bring gold. You don't need your character's gear at all. There's plenty of good loot to be had.

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 février 2011 - 08:47 .

[Ferretinabun]

I concur. Let you warden have his/her glorious death and be the Orlesian warden for Awakenings. Okay you probably won't be as attached to them , seeing as you won't go through an Origin story, or any kind of background for them, but Awakenings is short. Try out a totally different warden. Variety is the spice of life. Or if you really loved the way your old warden played, you can create one with exactly the same stats and you haven't disrupted the canon at all.

[Magnoliafan]

Thanks for the responses guys. You pretty much confirmed what I needed to be pushed towards...the Orlesian warden or just totally rerolling. Seems silly to play an entire campaign of DA:O bored out of my mind with a carbon copy of my beloved toon just to switch a few decisions around.



Then again, something tells me that I'm not the only one on these forums crazy enough to do just that

[Ferretinabun]

Eeep, she's onto us...

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 10 février 2011 - 09:14 .

[Shinobu]

You could back up to the Landsmeet and spare Loghain or back up to Redcliffe and do the ritual.

[Magnoliafan]

unfortunately after the landsmeet i thought I was safe and just saved over it. Like. A. Moron.

[Magnoliafan]

Oh dear christ, I just found out that I did save right outside the friggin' landsmeet! I don't think i said the right thing to harden alistair after goldanna, however. anyone know how I can find out if he's hardened? It was so long ago...

[errant_knight]

Di d you have a talk with Alistair in camp where he brought up what you said after leaving Goldana's? And did you then reiterate it?

[Magnoliafan]

I'm having a hard time remembering. Looking through the hardening dialogue on wikia tells me that the hardening options sounds like something i would say. So my answer would be a resounding "Maybe"

[errant_knight]

It makes a big difference if you want to marry him to Anora, I think. I may be wrong, since I never leave him unhardened or marry him to Anora, but I don't think unhardened Alistair will agree.

It's important for you to know that Alistair won't get over it as you put it in your initial post. You will never be close again if you spare Loghain, even if Alistair stays in the country. He won't fight with you or be friendly. By the epilogue, he appears to be civil, but it's more a 'tolerate you and is glad the Loghain died at least, even if he's a big damn hero' than friendship, and the love relationship it totally gone if you had one.

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 février 2011 - 10:25 .

[Magnoliafan]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.



I think i've figured this all out. My warden usually makes "Big Picture" decisions. When Morrigan proposes to bear a child with Alistair, I initially thought it reprehensible. But looking at the big picture, it seems more reasonable. I keep Alistair and myself alive, and just go for Morrigan after defeating the arch demon. The Warden will never have intended to let the child come to life, and can deal with it later.

[errant_knight]

But then, your warden did make a bargain, and you both survived because of that child. She agreed to let that child be born and to let Morrigan go her own way. And in a big picture sense, you have no idea if preserving the soul of an old god is a bad thing or a good one.

[Shinobu]

Well, you can RP that you and your Warden squeeze are going to "check up" on Morrigan to be sure that everything is okay. If it turns out OGB is BAD you can deal with it immediately. Purposefully setting out to murder Morrigan and her unborn child after the celebration doesn't seem to fit with your hero persona. Also, as errant_knight said, maybe the OGB is a good thing.

You can just do the Landsmeet again and put Anora on the throne. I don't think Warden Alistair needs to be hardened, although I haven't tried that. Or you could try putting Alistair on the throne and seeing if he breaks up with you despite you choosing the correct lines, in which case you can be reasonably confident he's not hardened. Then you can decide whether to back up to Goldanna's or replay the Landsmeet and keep him as a Warden.

And who died in your first playthrough?

Modifié par Shinobu, 11 février 2011 - 03:55 .

[Shinobu]

Magnoliafan wrote...

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

I think i've figured this all out. My warden usually makes "Big Picture" decisions. When Morrigan proposes to bear a child with Alistair, I initially thought it reprehensible. But looking at the big picture, it seems more reasonable. I keep Alistair and myself alive, and just go for Morrigan after defeating the arch demon. The Warden will never have intended to let the child come to life, and can deal with it later.

Oh, the path to renegade-ville is paved with good intentions....

[errant_knight]

Shinobu wrote...

Magnoliafan wrote...

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

I think i've figured this all out. My warden usually makes "Big Picture" decisions. When Morrigan proposes to bear a child with Alistair, I initially thought it reprehensible. But looking at the big picture, it seems more reasonable. I keep Alistair and myself alive, and just go for Morrigan after defeating the arch demon. The Warden will never have intended to let the child come to life, and can deal with it later.

Oh, the path to renegade-ville is paved with good intentions....

Lol!

[Magnoliafan]

This is without a doubt - the most friendly and knowledgable forum base I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. Usually forums make me want to shower afterwards....



In regards to the path to renegade-ville, maybe you're right, lol. But maybe an argument could be made that sometimes you have to do something wicked to be a hero...



And to answer Shinobu's question, I sacrificed myself for the good of Ferelden, so that Alistair could be king. I also only had a relationship with Leilana. Alistair and I were strictly plutonic, despite the fact that "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are..." was a persistent dialogue option for over half the game.



I just didn't think it was wise to get wrapped up in him.

[errant_knight]

Magnoliafan wrote...

This is without a doubt - the most friendly and knowledgable forum base I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. Usually forums make me want to shower afterwards....

In regards to the path to renegade-ville, maybe you're right, lol. But maybe an argument could be made that sometimes you have to do something wicked to be a hero...

And to answer Shinobu's question, I sacrificed myself for the good of Ferelden, so that Alistair could be king. I also only had a relationship with Leilana. Alistair and I were strictly plutonic, despite the fact that "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are..." was a persistent dialogue option for over half the game.

I just didn't think it was wise to get wrapped up in him.

Few of us have the willpower to be so wise. I hope you were a templar!

[Magnoliafan]

No, actually...I asked him to teach me and he told me that the first step involved the two of us nude in the woods for days, forced to spoon for warmth...



Call me cynical, but I didn't buy it!

[Shinobu]

errant_knight wrote...

Magnoliafan wrote...

This is without a doubt - the most friendly and knowledgable forum base I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. Usually forums make me want to shower afterwards....

In regards to the path to renegade-ville, maybe you're right, lol. But maybe an argument could be made that sometimes you have to do something wicked to be a hero...

And to answer Shinobu's question, I sacrificed myself for the good of Ferelden, so that Alistair could be king. I also only had a relationship with Leilana. Alistair and I were strictly plutonic, despite the fact that "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are..." was a persistent dialogue option for over half the game.

I just didn't think it was wise to get wrapped up in him.

Few of us have the willpower to be so wise. I hope you were a templar!

Wow, that's some mental discipline! My PC can't stay away from that man!

Good on ya for doing the US, but poor Leli!

[errant_knight]

Lol! Alistair has more moves than I thought.

[Shinobu]

Magnoliafan wrote...

No, actually...I asked him to teach me and he told me that the first step involved the two of us nude in the woods for days, forced to spoon for warmth...

Call me cynical, but I didn't buy it!

My god, I want to see that dialogue! Guess that's what I get for always being a rogue.

[Magnoliafan]

Shinobu wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Magnoliafan wrote...

This is without a doubt - the most friendly and knowledgable forum base I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. Usually forums make me want to shower afterwards....

In regards to the path to renegade-ville, maybe you're right, lol. But maybe an argument could be made that sometimes you have to do something wicked to be a hero...

And to answer Shinobu's question, I sacrificed myself for the good of Ferelden, so that Alistair could be king. I also only had a relationship with Leilana. Alistair and I were strictly plutonic, despite the fact that "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are..." was a persistent dialogue option for over half the game.

I just didn't think it was wise to get wrapped up in him.

Few of us have the willpower to be so wise. I hope you were a templar!

Wow, that's some mental discipline! My PC can't stay away from that man!

Good on ya for doing the US, but poor Leli!

I know, I actually felt so terrible about schtupping her then pulling the whole "sacrifice myself for the greater good" thing. If I had a nickle for everytime somebody used that line on me...

[jackkel dragon]

"Sacrifice for the greater good" is like a mantra to the Grey Wardens. It's why I've started to like the US ending, it gives some closure to that whole thing.



Leaving a trail of suicidal lovers is another story...

[Magnoliafan]

jackkel dragon wrote...

"Sacrifice for the greater good" is like a mantra to the Grey Wardens. It's why I've started to like the US ending, it gives some closure to that whole thing.

Leaving a trail of suicidal lovers is another story...

Interestingly enough I've started to wonder if US was the best for the greater good, I mean..I didn't harden Alistair so he's not that good of a king...I brought down the blight almost singlehandedly...

I don't know. This is the first RPG I have ever played, so i'm feeling all screwed up over this whole thing