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[Shinobu]

Magnoliafan wrote...

jackkel dragon wrote...

"Sacrifice for the greater good" is like a mantra to the Grey Wardens. It's why I've started to like the US ending, it gives some closure to that whole thing.

Leaving a trail of suicidal lovers is another story...

Interestingly enough I've started to wonder if US was the best for the greater good, I mean..I didn't harden Alistair so he's not that good of a king...I brought down the blight almost singlehandedly...

I don't know. This is the first RPG I have ever played, so i'm feeling all screwed up over this whole thing

Welcome to our world!

[jackkel dragon]

The side-by-sides of epilogue slides pin Alistair as a better ruler than Anora, though he's still better off hardened if he's going to be king. He's pretty much a more badass Maric (from the books), and Maric seemed to grow into the role.



As to feeling screwed up, Dragon Age likes to do that to you. ;p

[Magnoliafan]

Quick Poll....



Does BioWare Feed On Our Tears??????

[jackkel dragon]

Yes. They admit it.

[Magnoliafan]

I think I need to spend some time with renegade shepard...before they decide to torment me at the end of ME2 as well...

[Shinobu]

Magnoliafan wrote...

This is without a doubt - the most friendly and knowledgable forum base I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. Usually forums make me want to shower afterwards....

In regards to the path to renegade-ville, maybe you're right, lol. But maybe an argument could be made that sometimes you have to do something wicked to be a hero...

And to answer Shinobu's question, I sacrificed myself for the good of Ferelden, so that Alistair could be king. I also only had a relationship with Leilana. Alistair and I were strictly plutonic, despite the fact that "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are..." was a persistent dialogue option for over half the game.

I just didn't think it was wise to get wrapped up in him.

Sorry, I was out to lunch on this one. I thought your PC wanted to end up with Alistair and totally missed you saying you did the US in your original post. Yes, if you want the best ending King Alistair should be hardened (+/- Anora). The question is how to tell? At Eamon's estate did he say positive (unhardened) things about Anora ("she's been running everything for 5 years and doing a good job, I hear") or negative things ("Anora is not an option") that would indicate he's hardened?

[Magnoliafan]

Shinobu wrote...

Magnoliafan wrote...

This is without a doubt - the most friendly and knowledgable forum base I have ever had the privilege of being a part of. Usually forums make me want to shower afterwards....

In regards to the path to renegade-ville, maybe you're right, lol. But maybe an argument could be made that sometimes you have to do something wicked to be a hero...

And to answer Shinobu's question, I sacrificed myself for the good of Ferelden, so that Alistair could be king. I also only had a relationship with Leilana. Alistair and I were strictly plutonic, despite the fact that "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are..." was a persistent dialogue option for over half the game.

I just didn't think it was wise to get wrapped up in him.

Sorry, I was out to lunch on this one. I thought your PC wanted to end up with Alistair and totally missed you saying you did the US in your original post. Yes, if you want the best ending King Alistair should be hardened (+/- Anora). The question is how to tell? At Eamon's estate did he say positive (unhardened) things about Anora ("she's been running everything for 5 years and doing a good job, I hear") or negative things ("Anora is not an option") that would indicate he's hardened?

Don't really remember, but I just re-did the landsmeet and killed Loghain myself this time, as opposed to letting Alistair do it, which is what I did last time. I put the two of them on the throne and he was quite whiney about it. Then after the event he came to me and whined some more, so I assume I never selected the appropriate dialogue choice.

[Addai]

Shinobu wrote...

Sorry, I was out to lunch on this one. I thought your PC wanted to end up with Alistair and totally missed you saying you did the US in your original post. Yes, if you want the best ending King Alistair should be hardened (+/- Anora). The question is how to tell? At Eamon's estate did he say positive (unhardened) things about Anora ("she's been running everything for 5 years and doing a good job, I hear") or negative things ("Anora is not an option") that would indicate he's hardened?

How he responds to the suggestion that he marry Anora gives good clues as to whether he is hardened or not.  Hardened, he will object at first ("what about us?!") but agree to it pretty quickly.  Unhardened, he drags his feet, and even says some rather swoony things ("So are you- you're more important to me than anything. I don't want anyone else, even for pretend.")  I made a video if you don't care about spoilers.  You can also suggest that you run off together and he has a rather humorous response.  You get the same dialogues when he's hardened, but not these options.

"Go ahead and be king- just let it happen?" is a big "unhardened" flag.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 février 2011 - 06:41 .

[Giggles_Manically]

If you hit a bug with the dialouge sometimes you can get both.



Although that was my fault because I was trying to get one mod to work with Dialouge Tweaks.

Sounded like Alistair had multiple personalities for a while.

[Magnoliafan]

Addai67 wrote...

How he responds to the suggestion that he marry Anora gives good clues as to whether he is hardened or not.  Hardened, he will object at first ("what about us?!") but agree to it pretty quickly.  Unhardened, he drags his feet, and even says some rather swoony things ("So are you- you're more important to me than anything. I don't want anyone else, even for pretend.")  I made a video if you don't care about spoilers.  You can also suggest that you run off together and he has a rather humorous response.  You get the same dialogues when he's hardened, but not these options.

"Go ahead and be king- just let it happen?" is a big "unhardened" flag.

Yeah, I'm almost positive he's unhardened now. Thanks for the great vid. Oh well...

[Magnoliafan]

"They don't let evil forest witches be king, for instance..."

[Addai]

On my first game, I didn't know about hardening either. I intended to make Alistair king but he had such a poor showing at the Landsmeet that I felt like I had to go with Anora. I was a city elf, so little did I know that I spared myself a dumping by that choice. Morrigan got her god baby and my Tabris and Alistair ran off to rebuild the Wardens. Still sin and cake, just not in Orlais necessarily.

[Magnoliafan]

Addai67 wrote...

On my first game, I didn't know about hardening either. I intended to make Alistair king but he had such a poor showing at the Landsmeet that I felt like I had to go with Anora. I was a city elf, so little did I know that I spared myself a dumping by that choice. Morrigan got her god baby and my Tabris and Alistair ran off to rebuild the Wardens. Still sin and cake, just not in Orlais necessarily.

That's hysterical. 

At one point i'm rather certain I had a mini love triangle between me, Alistair and Leliana. I had just initiated a romance with her, then told Alistair that my home was with him. I thought it was more like a soldierly thing, but he took it differently, so I mocked his virginity and that was that. 

I think in my next play-through I am going to try the king/queen thing.

But I know what you mean about Alistair acting like an ass at the landsmeet. I almost gave it to Anora myself, but felt that it would come across as wishy washy to change my mind at the last second. I figure, if you're going to fail, fail hard. 

[PegasusAngel]

I'm really looking forward to the landsmeet...I can go any time now, I'm just getting all the loose ends sorted. I'm hoping I've got it so Alistair will become King and I am going to do the DR so I should live.



Great reading all these responses, you guys have a sense of humour

[jackkel dragon]

This is apparently already answered, but the best way to tell if King Alistair is hardened or not is how he reacts after the Landsmeet, (at the part Anora would walk in about Loghain if he became a warden.) Unhardened, Alistair whines and eventually just accepts it. Hardened Alistair is like "wtf man?" but eventually says he's fine with it.



Sadly, it seems there are a multitude of bugs around the hardened flag. On the Xbox I had to deal with unhardened Alistair when I *went out of my way* to harden him. When PC bugs came up I created one of my infamous cheat scripts to fix it. ;p



"I thought it was more like a soldierly thing, but he took it differently, so I mocked his virginity and that was that."



And I thought I was heartless.

[Magnoliafan]

Modifié par Magnoliafan, 12 février 2011 - 01:06 .

[Magnoliafan]

PegasusAngel wrote...

I'm really looking forward to the landsmeet...I can go any time now, I'm just getting all the loose ends sorted. I'm hoping I've got it so Alistair will become King and I am going to do the DR so I should live.

Great reading all these responses, you guys have a sense of humour

I'm still very new to this game myself, but as I have been looking around, it seems that there you can always force Alistair to become king if you really want to. 

Make sure you harden Sten too, if you haven't already. You can't do his quest after the landsmeet, something I found out too late. 

Modifié par Magnoliafan, 12 février 2011 - 01:06 .

[errant_knight]

Magnoliafan wrote...

PegasusAngel wrote...

I'm really looking forward to the landsmeet...I can go any time now, I'm just getting all the loose ends sorted. I'm hoping I've got it so Alistair will become King and I am going to do the DR so I should live.

Great reading all these responses, you guys have a sense of humour

I'm still very new to this game myself, but as I have been looking around, it seems that there you can always force Alistair to become king if you really want to. 

Make sure you harden Sten too, if you haven't already. You can't do his quest after the landsmeet, something I found out too late. 

There's no hardening with Sten. Only Leliana and Alistair.

There's not much force involved with making Alistair king if he's hardened and you've done the dialogues that give him confidence. In fact, under certain circumstances, he'll make himself king at the Landsmeet without your input. It appears that he backtracks, though, because they reused some unhardened dialogue to allow the mechanic of choice to occur when he's hardened as well as unhardened so females can try and make themselves queen. But if you question him in that section, he tells you why he wants to be king, when hardened in a way that he doesn't when unhardened, and why Anora shouldn't be ruler.

[Shinobu]

Addai67 wrote...

On my first game, I didn't know about hardening either. I intended to make Alistair king but he had such a poor showing at the Landsmeet that I felt like I had to go with Anora. I was a city elf, so little did I know that I spared myself a dumping by that choice. Morrigan got her god baby and my Tabris and Alistair ran off to rebuild the Wardens. Still sin and cake, just not in Orlais necessarily.

Run off to Orlais and live in sin! Like they're not already living in sin...

Nice that you got the best CE ending (IMO) on your first playthrough! Did you ever try getting dumped? It's something. After having pretty much all of the conversations with him that the PC could have (apart from the downright insulting ones) I think my perception of him (as a player) is irrevocably colored by some of the dialogue that can come out of his mouth (for example: "Kill him already!"). We've already discussed the broken uterus.

[errant_knight]

Heh, yeah, I guess my perception is colored by that too, but not in a way that's problematic. Never had a problem with that myself. More like ' You're absolutely right, Alistair. Shut the hell up, Riordan, we're a little busy here.'