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[Giggles_Manically]

Hardened Alistair and Anora make the best rulers in the epilogue.

[HolyAvenger]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Hardened Alistair and Anora make the best rulers in the epilogue.

Epic metagaming if you're taking that into consideration.

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

Being able to trust them to do the right thing is a start. They also need to be able to govern fairly.

Okay, I'm going to assume that you've hardened Alistair, because if you haven't, it's just not a good idea to make Alistair king. He has no confidence and either lets his chancellor rule, or lets Anora walk all over him. In that case, the kindest thing is to let him stay a warden and either make Anora queen or marry her yourself.

I have to state my bias here, because I can't imagine a worse fate for Alistair than being married to Anora, even being a bitter wandering drunk. This is a guy who wants nothing more from life than to be loved for who and what he is, and he'll never get that with Anora. If he's a wandering drunk, at least he has a chance.
Anyway....

Assuming that Alistair is hardened, does your PC believe that Alistair will do the right thing and govern fairly? If so, there's no reason not to make him king, and you can make yourself chancellor if you think he needs backup. If not, then you need to look at your alternatives.

Modifié par errant_knight, 11 février 2011 - 03:06 .

[ZeRoToXiN]

Ultimate sacrifice. Because I like tragic heroes and bittersweet endings.

[Hero11N7]

errant_knight wrote...

Hero11N7 wrote...

Being able to trust them to do the right thing is a start. They also need to be able to govern fairly.

Okay, I'm going to assume that you've hardened Alistair, because if you haven't, it's just not a good idea to make Alistair king. He has no confidence and either lets his chancellor rule, or lets Anora walk all over him. In that case, the kindest thing is to let him stay a warden and either make Anora queen or marry her yourself.

I have to state my bias here, because I can't imagine a worse fate for Alistair than being married to Anora, even being a bitter wandering drunk. This is a guy who wants nothing more from life than to be loved for who and what he is, and he'll never get that with Anora. If he's a wandering drunk, at least he has a chance.
Anyway....

Assuming that Alistair is hardened, does your PC believe that Alistair will do the right thing and govern fairly? If so, there's no reason not to make him king, and you can make yourself chancellor if you think he needs backup. If not, then you need to look at your alternatives.

I can honestly say I agree with you on what you have posted and that Alistair (hardened) would make a fine king

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Hero11N7 wrote...

Being able to trust them to do the right thing is a start. They also need to be able to govern fairly.

Okay, I'm going to assume that you've hardened Alistair, because if you haven't, it's just not a good idea to make Alistair king. He has no confidence and either lets his chancellor rule, or lets Anora walk all over him. In that case, the kindest thing is to let him stay a warden and either make Anora queen or marry her yourself.

I have to state my bias here, because I can't imagine a worse fate for Alistair than being married to Anora, even being a bitter wandering drunk. This is a guy who wants nothing more from life than to be loved for who and what he is, and he'll never get that with Anora. If he's a wandering drunk, at least he has a chance.
Anyway....

Assuming that Alistair is hardened, does your PC believe that Alistair will do the right thing and govern fairly? If so, there's no reason not to make him king, and you can make yourself chancellor if you think he needs backup. If not, then you need to look at your alternatives.

I can honestly say I agree with you on what you have posted and that Alistair (hardened) would make a fine king

Well, I'm very glad that you genuinely agree, because I felt kind of bad putting my opinion straight out there like that after all this conversation aimed at helping you make your own choices. I'm just incapable of writing neutrally about marrying Alistair to Anora, so whew!

[Hero11N7]

Another question: what would you recommend for what to do with the Architect? I went with my gut and killed him the first time and from what i've read in the Calling so far makes that seem the more safe choice.

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

Another question: what would you recommend for what to do with the Architect? I went with my gut and killed him the first time and from what i've read in the Calling so far makes that seem the more safe choice.

Personally, I can't agree with Nathaniel that it's worth the risk. The Architect is a darkspawn after all, and has their well being in mind, not people. And he's still going to be needing warden blood for his plans, and while he took blood without killing the wardens in your party because he needed them, that's not what he did with the Orlesians. And he lied to you about that. Who knows what else he's lying about? In any case, he can't possible change every darkspawn in Thedas, so that would probably work about as well as the boon to free the mages. And they'd still be raiding for females to make into brood mothers, whatever he says about keeping them away from the surface. So, yeah, I kill him.

[CalJones]

My HNMs both spared Loghain and married Anora, then made themselves chancellor as well. One pleaded for Alistair's life; the other (who didn't get on with him) allowed him to be executed. I like the first one better as I do have a soft spot for Ali despite being a Loghainite. Heh.

Archiect is a tougher choice - we don't have the in character knowledge of what he was getting up to in the Calling, and he does make a good case if you just go on the facts presented to you in the game. The epilogue does suggest letting him live isn't a bad move, at any rate, though killing him is certainly less of a gamble.

[Hero11N7]

ok i've got only orzammar, the landsmeet and the final onslaught left, though I have some doubts about 2 choices, what to do with Marjolaine and Jowan. I sent Jowan into the Fade and then to the Circle and I spared Marjolaine. considering how far along i am and that i'm going by weekends to finish this before DA2 comes out, should i go back and change these.

[errant_knight]

Not it they feel right for your character. What made you decide to spare Marjolaine? Which character are you romancing again? Morrigan?

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 février 2011 - 02:40 .

[Hero11N7]

I didn't harden Leliana. I guess I spared Marjolaine because my characters believes in mercy (most of the time at least) and wanted to allow Leliana to show she was different from Marjolaine. And I'm romancing Morrigan.

Modifié par Hero11N7, 17 février 2011 - 02:44 .

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

I didn't harden Leliana. I guess I spared Marjolaine because my characters believes in mercy (most of the time at least) and wanted to allow Leliana to show she was different from Marjolaine. And I'm romancing Morrigan.

This scenario will affect your ending. Do you want me to tell you how, or would you prefer no to know?

[Hero11N7]

already know, played through all the content of the ultimate edition once before

this is meant to be my near "perfect" first import save for DA2

Modifié par Hero11N7, 17 février 2011 - 02:54 .

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

already know, played through all the content of the ultimate edition once before

this is meant to be my near "perfect" first import save for DA2

Oh, okay. I wasn't sure if you'd not romanced Leliana and spared Marjolaine before, and I didn't want you to get a surprise that you weren't expecting in your import save if it was something you didn't want. It's all good then.

[Hero11N7]

To be honest, to me it feels more fitting to harden Leliana if you kill Marjolaine and to keep her unhardened by sparing Marjolaine.



though it's likely enough that I'm wrong

[Riloux]

What I did was this:
Marry Alistair and Anora. I don't trust Anora ruling on her own nor do I want Alistair to throw her in the dungeon. Also, this way the Theirin bloodline can continue.

I refused to do Morrigan's Ritual, (playing a goodie Warden) spared Loghain and let him sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemon.

If you want to play evil:
Let Anora rule on her own, have her execute Alistair and let Loghain live with no punishment. Do Morrigan's Ritual.

Or:
Have Alistair rule alone. Let him kill Loghain. Anora in the dungeon. Morrigan's Ritual. Or sacrifice yourself.

Furthermore:
Marry Anora and become king. Alistair sacrifices himself. Morrigan goes back to hell.

There's a lot of ways you can go. Just pick what feels right for your Warden. Don't play for Epilogues.

Edit: If you're looking for canon, this is my idea.
Hardened Alistair + Anora on the throne. Kill Loghain. Do Morrigan's Ritual.

Modifié par Riloux, 17 février 2011 - 12:52 .

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

To be honest, to me it feels more fitting to harden Leliana if you kill Marjolaine and to keep her unhardened by sparing Marjolaine.

though it's likely enough that I'm wrong

Well, I thought that the leaving thing in the Marjolaine case only happened when she was hardened, but that's apparently not the case, according to the wiki. She will go after Marjolaine to kill her if Marjolain lives and she doesn't have a romance to keep her in Ferelden.

The hardening is about how Leliana thinks of her self and her potential, not the actual killing. I think the reason she leaves both hardened and unhardened is a belief that Marjolaine will come after her again.

[Hero11N7]

I actually might go back and kill Marjolaine instead because now that I think about it, it does fit my characters belief in justice and Marjolaine, if she was convicted for her crime, would at least be locked up for the rest of her life for blackmail, treason, and murder and at most would be executed.

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

I actually might go back and kill Marjolaine instead because now that I think about it, it does fit my characters belief in justice and Marjolaine, if she was convicted for her crime, would at least be locked up for the rest of her life for blackmail, treason, and murder and at most would be executed.

Well, those crimes were presumably committed in Orlais, so they wouldn't really be procecutable in Ferelden, but our wardens deliver summary justice all over the place. And we find out differently in Leliana's Song, but that's a bit meta for the decision. Best to look at how your charcter feels about the whole thing

[Hero11N7]

I played through that part and killed her to see how I felt about it and I felt it all came together better.

[errant_knight]

Hero11N7 wrote...

I played through that part and killed her to see how I felt about it and I felt it all came together better.

Oh, good! Sometimes, that's the only way to really know, ish't it? Just try it out and see how you feel about things.

[Dominic F]

 how do i make it so that the urn of sacred ashes can be visited because i saved genitivi and killed the high dragon this is the only thing i want to change everything else i got from my ending i am happy with

[Ferretinabun]

There are three things you must do:

1) When you find Genitivi in Haven, you must let him accompany you to the temple rather than send him home.

2) You might kill the High Dragon.

3) You must let Genitivi return home at the end of the quest (ie, don't kill him).

[Jedimaster88]

What about keeping the urn´s location as a secret?

I´ve always let Genitivi spread the word about the urn. Now Im not 100% if its a good idea after all. How do I keep the urn as a secret? Do I have to kill Genitivi and let the dragon live?