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[tuejmccoy]

the video is kinda funny,
Aveline is all like "I got this guys, i tank, no problem", dies in the 1st 2 seconds. Then the rest of the party follows shortly and then you keep kiting. You can basically add soloing to your challenge and it might be the same. Regardless good luck with that sir. And just to quote Flemeth here:

"Try to have fun, dear"

[Anna0_o]

I tried the modded version of the Demo on nightmare...All I can say, is good luck with that.

Edit: Even though it wasn't balanced/etc, I was able to do it...but definitely not without pausing. Damn you not-so-friendly fire. I keed, I still love you.

Modifié par Anna0_o, 02 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[Count Viceroy]

I completed the demo on nightmare. But doing it without pausing just sounds tedious. Since the game is so much faster now that means you have to rely more on the AI and it's not something I'm looking forward to. I'll just stick with my pause'n'play goodness.

[Obadiah]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Added my first video of nightmare no pause action. Final boss from the demo

Link

Wow, all that kiting looks... tedious.

[Sabresandiego]

Obadiah wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Added my first video of nightmare no pause action. Final boss from the demo

Link

Wow, all that kiting looks... tedious.

Beats standing in place and dying. The best way to tank is to not get hit in the first place.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 02 mars 2011 - 06:41 .

[JulianoV]

Indeed. Besides, one should keep in mind that Sabre was left with a VERY lacking group that would pretty much screw his entire strategy, since it wasn't properly built to suit the pause-less strategy. If you had 2 archery-based rogues and a AoE-less mage there buffing the party you'd have a very differnt picture. Kiting would still be necessary, but it would take, at most, a third of the time it took.

Besides, as a brazilian martial arts practicionist, I can't help but defend a guy that features Anderson Silva's impressive performance in that fight. Even though he's been acting like a complete d**k as of late.

[Sabresandiego]

Anyone else gonna give this a go? Using what type of strategy?

[colejossart]

XX-Pyro wrote...

pic snipped

My party isn't in stone yet, but will look something like this:

MageHawke- Force Mage/Blood Mage (Depending on tanking ability of a rogue, might switch out Blood Mage for Spirit Healer.)

Isabela- DW Rogue

Sebastian- Archery Rogue

Anders- Supper Healer (Unless Hawke takes Spirit Healer) OR Fenris (2H Tanking)


Now, keep in mind that I have it more difficult than the PC player. I am doing this with 6 hotkeys on PS3, if I can. Problem is, IDK how to record my screen on a PS3 so I can upload, any help with this would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: As for my method, let's just say it involves a lot of miasmic flasks, a 2 bodyguard team for Anders, and a very kite-happy Hawke!

Ummm...  You really expect to beat Nightmare without pausing without a tank?  Without a Warrior at all?  And 2H tanking will be next to impossible on Nightmare.  That's why my awesome 2H tank will be on Normal or Hard.  For Nightmare an SnS Warrior is a necessity.

[Sabresandiego]

colejossart wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

pic snipped

My party isn't in stone yet, but will look something like this:

MageHawke- Force Mage/Blood Mage (Depending on tanking ability of a rogue, might switch out Blood Mage for Spirit Healer.)

Isabela- DW Rogue

Sebastian- Archery Rogue

Anders- Supper Healer (Unless Hawke takes Spirit Healer) OR Fenris (2H Tanking)


Now, keep in mind that I have it more difficult than the PC player. I am doing this with 6 hotkeys on PS3, if I can. Problem is, IDK how to record my screen on a PS3 so I can upload, any help with this would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: As for my method, let's just say it involves a lot of miasmic flasks, a 2 bodyguard team for Anders, and a very kite-happy Hawke!

Ummm...  You really expect to beat Nightmare without pausing without a tank?  Without a Warrior at all?  And 2H tanking will be next to impossible on Nightmare.  That's why my awesome 2H tank will be on Normal or Hard.  For Nightmare an SnS Warrior is a necessity.

Shield is not necessary. A 2H warrior can tank just fine on nightmare if you play it well.

[Stardusk78]

Sabresandiego wrote...

The Ultimate Vanguard: Nightmare Demo Final Boss (choose 1080p)

This thread is for those people who love making split second decisions and being rewarded for optimal player control. Sign here if you will attempt a nightmare run with no pausing, and explain how you plan to accomplish it!

My run:

Sabre Hawke: Primary tank and damage dealer using 2 Handed, Vanguard, Battlemaster, Reaver/Berserker
Anders: Support healer, buffer, cross class combo support
Varric:  DPS, aggro control, crowd control
Sebastian: DPS, aggro control, crowd control

Sabre Hawke is a very elusive tank that uses burst fighting to drop enemies before they can retaliate. Anders will be supporting with heals and auras, as well as providing cross class combo synergy. The two rogue archers will control the parties aggro with goad and armistice, crowd control when needed, and snipe out enemy archers and mages.

No romance for you I see...more's the pity.

[Ultimecia]

Full game will be a ton easier due to the Vanguard tree. Assail deals with any normal mob through knockbacks.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson: "It is the power... of power"

Modifié par Ultimecia, 02 mars 2011 - 11:06 .

[colejossart]

Sabresandiego wrote...

colejossart wrote...

Ummm...  You really expect to beat Nightmare without pausing without a tank?  Without a Warrior at all?  And 2H tanking will be next to impossible on Nightmare.  That's why my awesome 2H tank will be on Normal or Hard.  For Nightmare an SnS Warrior is a necessity.

Shield is not necessary. A 2H warrior can tank just fine on nightmare if you play it well.

Nightmare is micro managing and Min/Maxing.  Where will your 2H warrior get his defense?  Stonewall?  It lasts what, 10 seconds? 5?  Turn the Blade?  Even with all the upgrades it only gives you 15% Defense.  Adamant gives you 5%.  As a 2H tank on nightmare, you'd have to use the ENTIRE Defender Tree and you STILL wouldn't have the defensive rating of just the SnS's basic Shield Defense BEFORE upgrades.  Also, a 2H tank would be completely open to flanking, force, critical hits, etc.  As someone posted earlier, sometimes even with all the DPS in the world you can't take out the mobs before they wear you down.  If you're getting critted, flanked, etc. with a LOW Defense Rating and Damage Resistance, the tank will die VERY quickly.  But he'd have a wide attack range for the 20 seconds that he was standing, so I guess that's important?

I'm not saying I don't like the idea of a 2H tank, and I'm definitely going to play one.  But on Nightmare? No.

Modifié par colejossart, 02 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[TEWR]

sure why not I'll wing it after playing the game on normal.



Though I still have no clue what I'm going to name my Male Hawke. suggestions?

[colejossart]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sure why not I'll wing it after playing the game on normal.



Though I still have no clue what I'm going to name my Male Hawke. suggestions?

Garret? lol.  Why not just give him your name?

[TEWR]

nah I'm not doing the default name. And Joseph Hawke doesn't really work either lol

[colejossart]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

nah I'm not doing the default name. And Joseph Hawke doesn't really work either lol

Then turn your name into something cool...  For instance, my name is Justin, so I name some characters Justonius lol...  So maybe Joseph could turn into Josephale?

Modifié par colejossart, 02 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[TEWR]

lol hmmm.....

nah it all sounds weird everything I'm thinking of. Though two good ones came to mind, maybe Tobias Hawke or Leon Hawke. Hmmm....

edit: josephale might work. I'll think about that one.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 02 mars 2011 - 11:32 .

[colejossart]

Tobias Hawke? Are you going for an Animorphs reference? And Leon is overdone. There are probably about 8 billion Leon Hawkes in the making (as well as Leon Sheps, pretty much any game that allows you to make your own name is overflowing with Leons.)

[Sabresandiego]

How about Xiang Hawke. Or Dingbang Hawke. or Abdul Hawke? Habib Hawke it is.

[colejossart]

@Sabre: I was REALLY hoping to have a good debate about 2H vs SnS tanking and you completely let me down... Way to go lol.

[Sabresandiego]

You can just watch my video on the first page. 2H tanking can ultimately take less damage then shield because you kill more enemies faster with AOE attacks. You can also minimize your disadvantages by constantly moving instead of standing in place.

For a tank who stands in place and takes damage, shield is ofcourse the best. If you wanna 2hand tank you have to stay mobile, use AOE attacks, or watch my video and read my guide to see how I do it personally.

[KallDay]

There might not be any pausing, but there will be a whole heckuva lotta quickloading, and the painstaking working out of specific no-pause strats before hand for each tough fight.

@cole. Though other tanking strats might be available for the full game, the performance in the video posted relied on timing of movement and kiting; specifically: taking advantage of the new closing lunge attack and the boss' really slow melee animation. In a situation with snares, slows, roots, or fast ranged attacks, the strats would have to be a lot more sophisticated.

[colejossart]

Sabresandiego wrote...

You can just watch my video on the first page. 2H tanking can ultimately take less damage then shield because you kill more enemies faster with AOE attacks. You can also minimize your disadvantages by constantly moving instead of standing in place.

For a tank who stands in place and takes damage, shield is ofcourse the best. If you wanna 2hand tank you have to stay mobile, use AOE attacks, or watch my video and read my guide to see how I do it personally.

I've made builds of 2H tanks that look a lot like yours on my own, but I just can't see it working out on Nightmare, especially w/o pausing.  I don't know if you're forgetting something, but Nightmare has a DEADLY Friendly Fire.  So if your DPS rogue gets too close and you use your awesome Cleave/Muscle/Tornado combo that will do OODLES of damage in a 7m circle, you'll kill your rogue straight off.

And while yes, your build could work against mobs (I'm still skeptical), what about bosses like the Highdragon?  There's no way you're going to take it out before it completely destroys you.

Another question is: How will you manage your party if you're completely focused on keeping your tank moving around?  What happens when your tank finally stops moving because you switched over to your mage for some emergency healing?  Or your rogue to set up a combo on a lieutenant.

So while I DO like 2H tanks for Normal, maybe even Hard, I don't think it's feasible on Nightmare because of friendly fire, massive boss damage/health, and the need to keep your tank on the move so he doesn't get powned?

[TEWR]

animorphs reference? there was a tobias hawke in animorphs? and yea I guess Leon is a pretty overused name.

one name that I really liked using in Origins was my Dwarf Noble's name, my avatar. Meet noble Xanthos Aeducan! Also, I claim dibs on that name =P. you use it, a legion of ravenous killer monkeys shall appear at your doorstep and.... well it won't be pretty.

[colejossart]

KallDay wrote...

There might not be any pausing, but there will be a whole heckuva lotta quickloading, and the painstaking working out of specific no-pause strats before hand for each tough fight.

@cole. Though other tanking strats might be available for the full game, the performance in the video posted relied on timing of movement and kiting; specifically: taking advantage of the new closing lunge attack and the boss' really slow melee animation. In a situation with snares, slows, roots, or fast ranged attacks, the strats would have to be a lot more sophisticated.

But it also relies on taking control of your tank constantly so he doesn't get powned.  Which means your mage might not cast the right spell, or the rogue isn't doing all the damage that it could be doing.