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[Tleining]

slimgrin wrote...

If this means another unskippable intro like ME2, it's a bad design choice.

at least with the mirror we can change our appearance later in the game, so creating savegames directly after the cc for each class would save us from that in the future, still, sitting through that at least 3 times

[Sacred_Fantasy]

blothulfur wrote...

Oh makers holy trousers I hope it's not the ME2 punishment for wrong eye colour system, that was just bloody sadistic.

And Cassandra who's got a book with realistic drawings of all the companions has forgotten to get one of Hawke, well aren't you an incompetent seeker.

Hahahaha. 

That's true.

Kirkwall peasant remember the companions but not the Champion.

[AlanC9]

Filament wrote...



You know what Julius Caesar looks like because of our modern dedication to uncovering and preserving history, and because either you looked it up or you're a history buff. Ask an average person about Caesar and they're unlikely to know his specific skin tone or hair color or eye color, though they may know he's a white guy from Italy.

Hawke doesn't live down the street from the vast majority of people in Thedas.

And because the Romans had a deliberate policy of creating a cult of personality around the Emperor, and so had statuary of them put up all over the Empire.

[cindercatz]

@adhin

I totally agree with your point, actually. They may go with the "show, don't tell" rule for drama's sake, I dunno.



@l0velikeneedles - thanks :-)



For the Varric crowd, you never see what Varric sees. You hear what he says, which is that Hawke is Fereldan, but what you see is Cassandra's visualization of that generic myth through her own prism of biases and preconceptions. Then when the 'real' story starts, you're basically telling it. That part shifts fictionally to Varric's actual recollection, then it goes back and forth throughout.



I think it's funny any how people think we actually know what Julius Caesar looked like. What we actually know is that we have a bust sculpt of him and currency that's supposed to be stamped with his likeness. These are naturally not entirely accurate, but they agree on certain basic features we think we might assume to have hinted at his appearance, none of which are skin color, complexion, hair color or texture. Even his facial dimensions and size are artists' interpretations that may be idealized. The rest is entirely up to our own personal assumptions.



Even Abraham Lincoln, who we have photos for, people have a biased idea of. The real guy, we know from his death mask, had an asymmetrical face due to medical issues. Washington had wooden dentures, too. Most people, the myth, wouldn't describe them that way. People make a lot of assumptions. And really, as famous as Hawke might be, most Thedasians, Thedans, Thedasites.. know no almost nothing about him, and haven't ever seen him or any likeness of him/her. It makes sense.

Modifié par cindercatz, 12 février 2011 - 01:49 .

[Bigdoser]

kylecouch wrote...

Tleining wrote...

@ Mystranna
okay, let's assume for a moment, that you are roleplaying frodo from Lord of the rings. Including all the hardships, all the fears, everything. And now imagine an old man, 10-15 years after Saurons defeat telling the story. Do you think he will mention every mistake you/Frodo made? Or will it be more of a "the 4 companions travelled far, until they reached the elves, where humans, elves and dwarves were willing to give their lives for the glorious Frodo..."
It's a legend, no wait, not even that. If what Varric is telling would be average knowledge, Cass would never be able to call him out on it. It's an exaggeration. The glorious tale of a great Champion, who never fell, was never weak, and had no faults. In other words, a nice fairy tail.
And after that, you create your Hawke, you create the story that Varric is telling.

See it as an introduction, a way for you to understand how the combat system works. The roleplaying starts after that.

This...seriously I swear people on these boards will complain about the most trivial things...so what...you have to be the default falt for an agonizeing 5 minutes or whatever...might as well cancel your pre-orders

Just let it go its a normal day on this board people here tend to QQ about everything.

[TheRealJayDee]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

blothulfur wrote...
Honestly this is ridiculous, I know what bloody julius ceasar looked like from two thousand years ago yet mr Hawke who lives down the street, ooh I think he's brown eyed with black hair, beard and blood smear.
Why?
Because that's the legend and don't you dare walk down the street and look at him.

Julius Caesar was 2000 years ago. Hawke, on the other hand, was 10 years ago. 

That's my main problem with any reasoning about this. I don't like this design choice at all if it were true, but the fact that Hawke is most likely a living, breathing person at the time the story of DA2 is told (or died rather recently) would make the "It's how he is said to look in the legend everybody knows" explanation totally stupid. Hawke will probably be one the most prominent figures in Kirkwall, a large city state and surely the major focus of all trading in the region. 

Hawke will visit and influence every part of the city and it's inhabitants, be it the highest council chambers (or whatever) or the lowest slums. He will be seen with an attractive white haired elf with strange tattoos, a cute elven keeper, a smoking hot pirate queen, an exiled prince from another city state, some kind of shady, chatty dwarven herold kinda guy, a remarkable member of the city guard and a mage who helped the needing fugitives. And, of coruse, his sibling, with whom he shares at least some kind of resemblance.

There is no way that people telling the legend would make custom Hawke out of a bald, black champion with green eyes and a white goatee, or a blue eyed, clean shaven guy with a blonde ponytail and a weird tattoo. Not in the time that can have passed between the story happening and the story being told. Plus some people already pointed out that in the world of DA2 there is some pretty accurate visual reference about his companions.

As somebody playing a game with a customizable protagonist I understand why there aren't some pretty pictures of the chamion himself (or his family) iin the game, but concerning the in game world of Thedas I'd be curious about an explanation for a total lack of truthful Hawke depiction.

Anyways, I still hope we'll just be able to build our Hawke at the very beginning as I think it should be.

[Vicious]

So, how does the game know which class SPECIFIC armor you are wearing in the first 5 minutes unless you create your character before the exxagerated sequence?

confusing.

Modifié par Vicious, 12 février 2011 - 03:07 .

[Vhaius]

I prefer the default Hawke in the exaggerated version; it could be Varrics way of misdirecting Cassandra, just to mess with her. Well, that's how I'll see it anyway, Varric being annoying just for the sake of it.

[Sengoku no Maou]

This is a tad disheartening.

[Berkilak]

The only good thing about this thread is that it indicates that Dragon Age 2, at this point, as no real issues to complain about.

[duckphone07]

Berkilak wrote...

The only good thing about this thread is that it indicates that Dragon Age 2, at this point, as no real issues to complain about.

What???   There are plenty of good things about this thread!  For starters, it is my thread, so it has to be good.

But your point is valid.  I have nothing to complain about so far except this.  It is still a valid complaint for me and some others however, so this thread is good for me and those people.  We just want the game to be the best it can be in our eyes. 

[cindercatz]

Hey, I like this thread. It's fun. :-)

on Hawke's companions: You don't actually see any of your companions in the opening exaggerated part of the game other than your siblings and maybe Varric. Your siblings morph with your own Hawke, so they're no more correct than your Hawke is at that point, and Cassandra's sitting there looking at Varric, so she doesn't have to assume anything about him. It still makes sense, if that's how they do it. Also, your armor is a possible endgame armor, so who knows if your Hawke will ever 'really' wear it other than you? And really, without TV, we'd have very little idea what any famous person actually looks like, even now. You'd have hearsay, most of it inaccurate, and your own assumptions to complete your mental picture. Even with TV, most people are likely to get a number of details wrong.

[blauregen]

Plus Varric is telling an action scene. There likely won't be much mentioning of Hawke's looks. He may mention chest heaving from the exhaustion, or a defiant stare, but he is unlikely to gush over the flawless, tanned skin, the beautiful blue eyes like the reflection of the sky in a calm lake or the chiseled frame, while Hawke is busy running from and bisecting darkspawn.

It just happens to be that Cassandra has an idea how Hawke should look, which is what we get to see there.

Modifié par blauregen, 22 février 2011 - 11:41 .

[cindercatz]

Ok, after playing the demo, I am a little worried that all of this, no matter how you look at it, may not be very well handled. I hope the final game doesn't feel as forced and brushed over as it seems. :-/ The story stuff is extremely chopped up, though, so I can't really give final judgement.

[duckphone07]

cindercatz wrote...

Ok, after playing the demo, I am a little worried that all of this, no matter how you look at it, may not be very well handled. I hope the final game doesn't feel as forced and brushed over as it seems. :-/ The story stuff is extremely chopped up, though, so I can't really give final judgement.

Dang...well I guess the silver lining is that it is something that is only in the beginning of the game.  Perhaps it will be better in the full version. 

[RetroActiv]

It's too bad the OP's suspicions turned out to be correct. :/

Modifié par RetroActiv, 13 mars 2011 - 02:23 .