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[wildannie]

Harid wrote...

wildannie wrote...

Maybe you can create you character before the exaggerated section and then get the chance to edit your appearance and set your stats afterwards.

According to Bioware this doesn't happen.

Gets in the way of the awesome happening.

Is it confirmed?? well that's a pity.  I can see how it works okay from a story perspective, but personally I would rather not play as default hawke at all (I never play a default), I expect it will significantly lessen my enjoyment of that section

[Revan312]

AlanC9 wrote...

What everyone actually knows is that Hawke is from Lothering. Do they know where Hawke's family comes from?

I should have said is from Rivain decent.. I was making a skin color distinction which most everyone at the point of Cass interrogating Varric would know.. especially someone tasked with investigating said power figure..

Berkilak wrote...

People don't generally point out race
when they're talking about someone, unless they're pre-occupied with
such things. You're projecting.

Well your saying that Varric is projecting race.. soo.....

Modifié par Revan312, 11 février 2011 - 08:10 .

[otherarrow]

Berkilak wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I don't think this really validates the default Hawke appearance as being the correct one, but rather demonstrates how wildly myth can sometimes diverge from reality, and yet how sometimes, there's more truth to it than you would have thought.

There's not many "legends" outside of Jesus that don't correctly get the racial archetype of the person down..

I have a friend named Derek. Is he white or black?

Umm, he was never the leader of Kirkwall and he hasn't risen to power just recently.. bad example is bad..

People don't generally point out race when they're talking about someone, unless they're pre-occupied with such things. You're projecting.

They would point out sex though.. unless they tell it like "And then Hawke defeated the darkspawn because Hawke was fleeing with Hawke's family"...

[NinjaRogue]

Ummmm guys, You chose the sex before exagerated Hawke battle thingy.

[Berkilak]

Circular logic.

In any case, good idea or not, those of us that prefer the fanciful tale with a white, blood-smeared and bearded Hawke will be satisfied.

[Rompa87]

You pick gender and class in the beginning though, don't you? Just not the appearance

[Revan312]

Berkilak wrote...

Circular logic.

In any case, good idea or not, those of us that prefer the fanciful tale with a white, blood-smeared and bearded Hawke will be satisfied.

How is it circular?

You claim that Varric is lying about Hawke, which is why he's white and not black at the beginning.  Then Cass calls him out and suddenly the "real" Hawke story begins and now he's black... seems like Varric would be stating race otherwise Hawke would have the same skin color throughout as nobody ever brought it up..

[Berkilak]

Filament wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I don't think this really validates the default Hawke appearance as being the correct one, but rather demonstrates how wildly myth can sometimes diverge from reality, and yet how sometimes, there's more truth to it than you would have thought.

There's not many "legends" outside of Jesus that don't correctly get the racial archetype of the person down..

Legends from whose perspective, ours? We have the luxury of scholarly institutions to track these things down for legendary historical figures and mass media to know exactly what more recent people looked like, the people of Thedas might just know that he's some human from Ferelden. The conclusion as to his race would not be that unreasonable.

No point in arguing with him. Definitely one of those who overblow their own issue and ridicule any viewpoint that is not their own instead of participating in real discussion. Shame they've made their way to these boards.

[NinjaRogue]

Rompa87 wrote...

You pick gender and class in the beginning though, don't you? Just not the appearance

From what I have seen, yes.

[otherarrow]

NinjaRogue wrote...

Ummmm guys, You chose the sex before exagerated Hawke battle thingy.

Why not just make CC then?

Oh, well...

[NinjaRogue]

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Ummmm guys, You chose the sex before exagerated Hawke battle thingy.

Why not just make CC then?

Oh, well...

My answer: To mock us. It won't be a problem with my male Hawke since I am going with default. FemHawke though. I WANT LONG HAIR

[otherarrow]

NinjaRogue wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Ummmm guys, You chose the sex before exagerated Hawke battle thingy.

Why not just make CC then?

Oh, well...

My answer: To mock us. It won't be a problem with my male Hawke since I am going with default. FemHawke though. I WANT LONG HAIR

Haha yeah I'm crossing my fingers that they got some hair longer than shoulder:P

[Revan312]

Filament wrote...

Legends from whose perspective, ours? We have the luxury of scholarly institutions to track these things down for legendary historical figures and mass media to know exactly what more recent people looked like, the people of Thedas might just know that he's some human from Ferelden. The conclusion as to his race would not be that unreasonable.

People in all eras knew the race of other legendary or important people because race/ethnicity/nationality was extremely important to them.  People have always been fairly nationalist/racist so knowing that the persian king is persian and therefor olive/darker skinned was known.

I doubt many people assume the Orlesian queen is anything but white, or that Anora isn't..

[otherarrow]

Berkilak wrote...

No point in arguing with him. Definitely one of those who overblow their own issue and ridicule any viewpoint that is not their own instead of participating in real discussion. Shame they've made their way to these boards.

I don't think he was  ridiculing you anymore than you were him... Weren't we just discussing this on the discussion board? You make your points, we make ours?

[NinjaRogue]

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Ummmm guys, You chose the sex before exagerated Hawke battle thingy.

Why not just make CC then?

Oh, well...

My answer: To mock us. It won't be a problem with my male Hawke since I am going with default. FemHawke though. I WANT LONG HAIR

Haha yeah I'm crossing my fingers that they got some hair longer than shoulder:P

Any length is better than the lengths in DA:O :ph34r: (I once made a femwarden look like Micheal Jackson on accident....that answered so many things.)

[Revan312]

Berkilak wrote...

No point in arguing with him. Definitely one of those who overblow their own issue and ridicule any viewpoint that is not their own instead of participating in real discussion. Shame they've made their way to these boards.

Lmao.. your the one that entered a discussion to bad mouth the OP's concern, hypocritical to the extreme.. And I've been discussing it in depth.. don't act like your above my arguments simply because your losing to them..

Modifié par Revan312, 11 février 2011 - 08:21 .

[duckphone07]

Revan312 wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

Circular logic.

In any case, good idea or not, those of us that prefer the fanciful tale with a white, blood-smeared and bearded Hawke will be satisfied.

How is it circular?

You claim that Varric is lying about Hawke, which is why he's white and not black at the beginning.  Then Cass calls him out and suddenly the "real" Hawke story begins and now he's black... seems like Varric would be stating race otherwise Hawke would have the same skin color throughout as nobody ever brought it up..

Exactly.  This can't be defended with saying that this is an on purpose thing for Hawke to look totally different, if looking different was never brought up. 

[otherarrow]

NinjaRogue wrote...

Any length is better than the lengths in DA:O :ph34r: (I once made a femwarden look like Micheal Jackson on accident....that answered so many things.)

Man, you didn't screencap that?

Why is it so easy to make Bioware characters that look like MJ?

[NinjaRogue]

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Any length is better than the lengths in DA:O :ph34r: (I once made a femwarden look like Micheal Jackson on accident....that answered so many things.)

Man, you didn't screencap that?

Why is it so easy to make Bioware characters that look like MJ?

I play on the Xbox, though I am thinking of buying another copy. For my laptop that should be able to run it.

MJ is not really dead, he is The Illusive Man.

Modifié par NinjaRogue, 11 février 2011 - 08:31 .

[otherarrow]

Filament wrote...

How do you know they knew, are you Bill or Ted with a time machine to go back to talk to peasants from the Middle Ages? Maybe the important people who wrote history knew, that doesn't mean most people did.

Also, as far as social issues go, Thedas isn't exactly like the Middle Ages, women are treated more like modern women, and racism seems to focus mostly on the distinct fantasy races, not on differences among the human race.

And your thing about Anora and the queen or Orlais only seems to validate my point that people are likely to assume Hawke is a white guy/girl.

If you're saying people don't care about skin colour, then why would they assume hawke is white? Might as well assume he's black.

It's this whole thing about Varric trying to make hawke seem cooler. You can get your hawke to have the skills, but unless you aren't playing custom, then you can't look like "awesome hawke".

[Revan312]

Filament wrote...

How do you know they knew, are you Bill or Ted with a time machine to go back to talk to peasants from the Middle Ages? Maybe the important people who wrote history knew, that doesn't mean most people did.

Also, as far as social issues go, Thedas isn't exactly like the Middle Ages, women are treated more like modern women, and racism seems to focus mostly on the distinct fantasy races, not on differences among the human race.

And your thing about Anora and the queen or Orlais only seems to validate my point that people are likely to assume Hawke is a white guy/girl.

I don't know without a doubt, but Alexander didn't rally the greek army to fight said persians without people knowing who they were or what they looked like..  As I said, race has always been a hot button issue, even sub classes within the same culture.. Take the caste system in India, the darker the skin, the more people assume they're of a lower caste, period..

And everyone most likely distinguish say the Rivain from others based on their non-belief in the maker.. That would translate into skin color distinction because it becomes an easily identifiable characteristic.

And my thing about the Queen and Anora I would say proves my point more as if the Queen was black people would really take notice.. The whole world now, in the modern technologically advanced age we live in, made a huuuuge deal out of Obama becoming president.. why? because he's partially Black..

otherarrow wrote...
If you're saying people don't care about
skin colour, then why would they assume hawke is white? Might as well
assume he's black.

Also this ^

Modifié par Revan312, 11 février 2011 - 08:33 .

[otherarrow]

NinjaRogue wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Any length is better than the lengths in DA:O :ph34r: (I once made a femwarden look like Micheal Jackson on accident....that answered so many things.)

Man, you didn't screencap that?

Why is it so easy to make Bioware characters that look like MJ?

I play on the Xbox, though I am thinking of buying another copy. For my laptop that should be able to run it.

MJ is not really dead, he is The Illusive Man.

Though Elvis was the Illusive Man?