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[NinjaRogue]

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Any length is better than the lengths in DA:O :ph34r: (I once made a femwarden look like Micheal Jackson on accident....that answered so many things.)

Man, you didn't screencap that?

Why is it so easy to make Bioware characters that look like MJ?

I play on the Xbox, though I am thinking of buying another copy. For my laptop that should be able to run it.

MJ is not really dead, he is The Illusive Man.

Though Elvis was the Illusive Man?

What if they are both him? o.0

[otherarrow]

NinjaRogue wrote...

What if they are both him? o.0

It's like a singer within a singer within a... eh.. smoking guy in chair...

[Revan312]

I bet he's really Tupac and Biggie Smalls combined into one super rapper..

[NinjaRogue]

otherarrow wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

What if they are both him? o.0

It's like a singer within a singer within a... eh.. smoking guy in chair...

I think we got off topic and discovered something we should be very hush hush about this.

[otherarrow]

Yes we should get back on topic... Where did the others go?

[NinjaRogue]

Maybe TIM killed them all cause we exposed all four of his idenities.....we are next. *runs*

[otherarrow]

Filament wrote...

Because they still have a conception that people from Ferelden are white? I didn't say they don't recognize race at all, it just does not appear to be noteworthy in Thedas. That noteworthiness seems reserved for elves and dwarves and qunari. Hence why you know there was that one elf warden who defeated the 4th blight, but as far as humans go, I don't remember one instance in the Codex where it said "this was a black guy." They might say Antivan or something, but that's no different than this legend saying Hawke is Fereldan.

Yes, but they didn't say he was white either.

[tishyw]

Bioware did this in ME2 as well, and it's really annoying. At least in ME2 Shep puts a helmet on so you can't see the different face. But having to play through the begining of the game if you don't like the way your character looks is really painful.

I wasted hours playing through that same 5 minutes of ME2 because I wasn't happy with how my FemShep looked and had to go back and try again.

Bioware, for future reference, please put the character creator at the begining of the game!

[NinjaRogue]

They should just make Awesome Hawke, rainbow, it makes everything better..and butterflies....

[duckphone07]

otherarrow wrote...

Yes we should get back on topic... Where did the others go?

It is late where I am.  Perhaps they went to bed. 

Filament wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

If
you're saying people don't care about skin colour, then why would they
assume hawke is white? Might as well assume he's black.

It's
this whole thing about Varric trying to make hawke seem cooler. You can
get your hawke to have the skills, but unless you aren't playing custom,
then you can't look like "awesome hawke".

Because
they still have a conception that people from Ferelden are white? I
didn't say they don't recognize race at all, it just does not appear to
be noteworthy in Thedas. That noteworthiness seems reserved for elves
and dwarves and qunari. Hence why you know there was that one elf warden
who defeated the 4th blight, but as far as humans go, I don't remember
one instance in the Codex where it said "this was a black guy." They
might say Antivan or something, but that's no different than this legend
saying Hawke is Fereldan.

All the more reason to just have the exagerrated version of your Hawke look like what you decide in the CC. 

[otherarrow]

tishyw wrote...

Bioware did this in ME2 as well, and it's really annoying. At least in ME2 Shep puts a helmet on so you can't see the different face. But having to play through the begining of the game if you don't like the way your character looks is really painful.
I wasted hours playing through that same 5 minutes of ME2 because I wasn't happy with how my FemShep looked and had to go back and try again.
Bioware, for future reference, please put the character creator at the begining of the game!

Yes thank you!

Hated that part of ME2... really really hated it...

[NinjaRogue]

It's 3 am here (TODAYS MY BIRTHDAY). That's why must of my posts are......crazy?



But I do get where most everyone is coming from. They really should put the CC in the beginning. But eh whatev devs.

[Ryzaki]

It makes me eh. We get it devs you guys like default Hawke. Don't start shoving him/her down my throat.

[Adhin]

IF its true, and I've said this elsewhere I will be disappointed but I'll self-justify it as Varric making **** up just to throw ****** at Cassandra. Its stupid, I don't like the idea that the facial customization is at any point before the actual game starts. The only game I can think of that has done this well was in ME2, and I didn't like it much there but at the very least they never showed Shepard's face, it was covered up till you got to the char creation stuff.

I would love Dev confirm or denying on this but I doubt we'll get it anytime soon, if at all since ultimately its probably not viewed as important. But here's hoping one of em gets to answer us on it.

[duckphone07]

Adhin wrote...

IF its true, and I've said this elsewhere I will be disappointed but I'll self-justify it as Varric making **** up just to throw ****** at Cassandra. Its stupid, I don't like the idea that the facial customization is at any point before the actual game starts. The only game I can think of that has done this well was in ME2, and I didn't like it much there but at the very least they never showed Shepard's face, it was covered up till you got to the char creation stuff.
I would love Dev confirm or denying on this but I doubt we'll get it anytime soon, if at all since ultimately its probably not viewed as important. But here's hoping one of em gets to answer us on it.

I think you meant "after the actual game starts." 

ME2 did this well, but it still was annoying to those that wanted to tweak their Shepard after some game play.  I think the reason that the CC is put in after some cinematic scens/game play is to have the game flow more cinematically, but I would think that it would be more cinematic to not have a character creator screen pop up in the middle of when things were getting exciting.

And yes, I don't think this topic will be answered soon, considering it is so close to release and it is relatively minor.  I would have asked this weeks earlier, but I just thought of it today. 

I think part of me just wants to see how that scene with Hawke and his/her sibling surprising Darkspawn would be handled with Hawke being an archer.  I have seen very little archer gameplay.  I mean, even in the "Choose your Champion" trailer, archer Hawke isn't even a choice.  They show both warrior styles, but only dual wield rogue. 

[Ryzaki]

At least ME2 had the decency to cover Shep's face. Hawke could've easily worn some elaborate face covering helm that's a part of a legendary set of armor. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 février 2011 - 09:16 .

[Tamyn]

otherarrow wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Bioware did this in ME2 as well, and it's really annoying. At least in ME2 Shep puts a helmet on so you can't see the different face. But having to play through the begining of the game if you don't like the way your character looks is really painful.
I wasted hours playing through that same 5 minutes of ME2 because I wasn't happy with how my FemShep looked and had to go back and try again.
Bioware, for future reference, please put the character creator at the begining of the game!

Yes thank you!

Hated that part of ME2... really really hated it...

Yeah. 20 minutes of unskippable cutscenes just to get to CC. And it really bugged me that they gave helmeted FemShep black hair that stuck out of the back of the helmet very obviously in that beginning part! They should have picked the bald head so no hair would be visible through the helmet.

Ryzaki wrote...

It makes me eh. We get it devs you guys like default Hawke. Don't start shoving him/her down my throat.

The advertising does enough of that already. We don't need the actual game doing it too.

Modifié par Tamyn, 11 février 2011 - 09:23 .

[Adhin]

Heh yeah I meant after, woops. With ME2 it was done 100% because of the story being told. Ship exploded, Shep falls down...gets brought back to life and facial restructuring commences - it just made sense to have that be the part where you do the CC. And in that light it all makes sense regardless of if you use default or use a face you imported from a char or made up a new one entirely via either scenarios.

Issue I think with this for DA2, if its true is the player has to makeup/justify things simply because they haven't (again, if true). Which is just in my opinion kind of a bad design oversight. Flemeth looking different from DAO or other chars looking different as a comparative example you can easily chock up to art direction, and in Flemeths case shapeshifting with OUT it needing to be pointed out in game.

So I guess with that said if it is after Cassandra tells him to actual tell what really happened, if you don't use a custom Hawke face there is some mention of it via the dialog, I think that would quite easily at least bring that into the story and at least be a nod to him/her looking differently in the 'proper telling'.

I just feel that's kinda waste of resources but thats me I guess, I'd like be happy if they went that way at least.

[otherarrow]

Tamyn wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Bioware did this in ME2 as well, and it's really annoying. At least in ME2 Shep puts a helmet on so you can't see the different face. But having to play through the begining of the game if you don't like the way your character looks is really painful.
I wasted hours playing through that same 5 minutes of ME2 because I wasn't happy with how my FemShep looked and had to go back and try again.
Bioware, for future reference, please put the character creator at the begining of the game!

Yes thank you!

Hated that part of ME2... really really hated it...

Yeah. 20 minutes of unskippable cutscenes just to get to CC. And it really bugged me that they gave helmeted FemShep black hair that stuck out of the back of the helmet very obviously in that beginning part! They should have picked the bald head so no hair would be visible through the helmet.

Ryzaki wrote...

It makes me eh. We get it devs you guys like default Hawke. Don't start shoving him/her down my throat.

The advertising does enough of that already. We don't need the actual game doing it too.

I agree with both. Marketing Hawke is getting annoying.

Also, if they want to show some lore before you do CC then make it a skippable cut-scene like with DAO.

[AlanC9]

Revan312 wrote...


People in all eras knew the race of other legendary or important people because race/ethnicity/nationality was extremely important to them.  People have always been fairly nationalist/racist so knowing that the persian king is persian and therefor olive/darker skinned was known.

I doubt many people assume the Orlesian queen is anything but white, or that Anora isn't..

Ummm.... but since Hawke is known to be from Ferelden , and the vast majority of folks in Ferelden are white...

[Dubya75]

It has been confirmed (sorry I don't have a link) that the game starts off with the default buffed up Hawke. This is how Varric is telling it and how Cassandra is imagining it.
Having never actually seen Hawke, she does not know what he looks like, which would explain the vanilla Hawke being used.
Only after Cassandra calls Varric out, the real story starts and you go to the Character Creator.
This approach works very well for me, it gives you the opportunity to get some action right at the start, setting the scene for the game (unlike in Origins where you got to kill giant rats - great!).

Now I'm not sure why people have such a big problem with this, it is only like a prologue to the game, it does not take anything away from your RPG experience, it only adds a little at the start.

Modifié par Dubya75, 11 février 2011 - 09:34 .

[Adhin]

Yeah that 20 minutes of unskippable crap before CC is an issue I always have with bioware games. Not so much the 20 minutes 'before' CC as its always been before the game starts (except in ME2 and, as we're dreading maybe DA2).

But they ALWAYS have this extremely long, drawn out intro section you can't skip via any means that, ultimately, has no barrings what so-ever on the actual story. Started with BG but was at the very least a quick simple tutorial like thing you could zip through and be done with it. BG2 though had a damn dungoen crawl with puzzles to deal with right off the bat. Prior to which you had to SIT THROUGH all this unskippable bull****. All of which had already been setup from the initial 'this is wahts happening!' and then they semi-re-do some of it in game again.

ME1 had it with the loooong intro walking on the ship to face reveal... face you already saw in the CC heh. Even DAO as I've said elsewhere, up till past Lothering it was all on-rails intro. Your Pre-intro origin to your Intro at Ostigar to your intro to the world/map with Lothering to your intro to your camp. 2 damn hours in and your finally at a point where stuff you do actually matters.

All my whining aside that's the only major complaint I ever have with there games and I often just watch TV while some of the unskippable intro crap plays out on my 10th remake of a character so its no biggy heh.

- edited cause the length middle rant needed it -

Modifié par Adhin, 11 février 2011 - 09:37 .

[Ryzaki]

If the Champion and his family are all dark skinned that would easily be known. Why? Because even if skin color is no big deal it's an easy way to tell them out from the crowd.  

And no doubt legends would've captialized on that. Anything that would've made Hawke look different would've been exaggerated including his skin color. It wouldn't have been changed to the same as everyone else. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 février 2011 - 09:36 .

[BeardedNinja]

Dubya75 wrote...

It has been confirmed (sorry I don't have a link) that the game starts off with the default buffed up Hawke. This is how Varric is telling it and how Cassandra is imagining it.
Having never actually seen Hawke, she does not know what he looks like, which would explain the vanilla Hawke being used.
Only after Cassandra calls Varric out, the real story starts and you go to the Character Creator.
This approach works very well for me, it gives you the opportunity to get some action right at the start, setting the scene for the game (unlike in Origins where you got to kill giant rats - great!).

Now I'm not sure why people have such a big problem with this, it is only like a prologue to the game, it does not take anything away from your RPG experience, it only adds a little at the start.

Kudos on trying to make a coherent point and dissuade their fears, but this has become somewhat of a rant thread about the begining of the game (thats not even out yet lol) and its not going to change their minds.