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[Purple People Eater]

Yeah, except that 84s, and 87s are good scores, and well above average for most games.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Don't understand. A huge portion of BG2 was spent in Athkatla.



I imagine it will be much the same in DA2. Kirkwall is a central hub in the game, you get quests, you explore dirty back alleys, walk into pubs to get drunk etc etc. And find your companions somewhere around the city.



And everyone licks BG2's ass like its the queens nuts.

[pezit]

I'll wait for Yahtzee to give his review, those are usually more reliable.

[AkiKishi]

drahelvete wrote...

Well, he said that he thinks it has the best RPG combat ever, the best story telling, that it utilizes the lore of the world better than DA:O did, and that it's the most impressive attempt he's ever seen to make the player's decisions in the game mean something.
Even if he may have been more critical of other elements of the game, it sure sounds like a 94 to me.

Anyone can just cherry pick the best bits. Take the review as a whole.

A game with a score of 94 should have no major issues of any kind, only some minor niggles. That's not what the review says.

[shelledfade]

Darth Hawke wrote...

Magazines like that are usually just meant to hype the game. It's probably one of those paid reviews

this. And known websites as well.

[the scrubber]

Soul Reaver wrote...

Ammonite wrote...

Soul Reaver wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

It's always a good sign when people start dismissing reviews because they are too positive.

Reviewing a game before it's even finished with tons of bugs and unpolished stuff and giving it a high score is NOT a biased review, no siree

But if he liked even the theoretically bug-ridden, unpolished and unfinished version, then isn't that really good news for the finished product?

"Professional" reviewers are supposed to review the finished product only

it is ****ing finished

[TomHark]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Anyone can just cherry pick the best bits. Take the review as a whole.

A game with a score of 94 should have no major issues of any kind, only some minor niggles. That's not what the review says.

You are either mistaking the PC Gamer UK review with a different one, or deliberatly trolling this thread.  The review that I have in front of me absolutely loves the game all the way through and rarely has anything negative to say.

For those of you who are tempted to believe the nonsense people like BobSmith are talking, here are some quotes from the review:

"For all its size and wonder, Origins didn't make full use of its fascinating world.  Dragon Age 2 does it right.  It's still an RPG epic, it still takes upwards of 50 hours to finish.  It's still got a deep, complex combat system, and it's still get a well-definied supporting cast."

"I could happily list all my skills and the way they eviscerated people for the rest of the review, but I have a word count."

"For every combat skill kills something in a new and exciting way."

"I found myself flipping between responses depending on the situation - actually using the full dialogue spectrum.  The lack of an arbitrary karma system meant I could do so without being pigeonholed."

"The world of Thedas is one of racism and fascism: only in the second game have BioWare really come to terms with this and brought up some genuinely dark questlines."

"Dragon Age 2's story is driven by moments of tension and forced choice.  They always feel organc and truely contextual."

"At first, I felt a little let down by the lack of escape from that single city, but ten years in the same place also breeds a welcome familiarity.  There are benefits to knowing a city backwards: it let me get a complete grasp on the game's complicated political situation."

"Make your allegiences clear and you'll change the course of the whole game."

"So many games promise real choice but fail to deliver.  Dragon Age 2 is the most impressive attempt I've seen to make the decisions players make in a game mean something."

"Dragon Age 2's incidental conversations are splendid; ruder, funnier, and just plain better than [/i]Origin's[/i]".

"But I was spoilt for choice.  Most of DA2's companions are excellent; the only dud is Hawke's sibling (sister in my male playthrough), who lacks in personality."

"Dragon Age's combat system is rapid and satisfying, but it is also more intricate than Origins'."

"I found myself rotating my party regularly - sacrilige in a lot of RPGs that demand a standard party setup to succeed, but sensible here when everyone's abilities are just so much fun."

"Pausing, issuing a set of orders, then sitting back and watching the chaos unfold is a joy that never gets old."

"By locking down the context - the world and the politics - BioWare were free to fill their creation with more character and vitality than any title in recent memory."

"The best RPG of this decade?  Nine more years will tell, but for now, yes."

[Loerwyn]

You, conveniently, forgot to quote where he says the story isn't up to scratch. I believe it's right at the end of his essay.

[TomHark]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

You, conveniently, forgot to quote where he says the story isn't up to scratch. I believe it's right at the end of his essay.

I didn't forget anything; that quote does not exist.  He does say "Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling" which is not the same thing at all.

[Loerwyn]

Exactly. DA2 should have been knocked down for its uninspired story, but it clearly wasn't. Storytelling needs to have the story to back it up; No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

[The Elder King]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Exactly. DA2 should have been knocked down for its uninspired story, but it clearly wasn't. Storytelling needs to have the story to back it up; No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

Saying "not gaming's best story" doesn't mean that the story will suck, or that it's not good. But I haven't read the review, so he maybe intended to say that DA2' s story isn't great.

[TomHark]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Exactly. DA2 should have been knocked down for its uninspired story, but it clearly wasn't. Storytelling needs to have the story to back it up; No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

Where did the word "uninspired" come from?  All it says is "not gamings best story", which would be true even if it was gamings second best story.  He doesn't quanitfy what gamings best story is anyway though.  You are inventing things to either troll or to convince yourself that somebody who played the game doesn't know more about it than you.

[DPB]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Exactly. DA2 should have been knocked down for its uninspired story, but it clearly wasn't. Storytelling needs to have the story to back it up; No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

I think you're reading way too much into 'not gaming's best story.' There is a lot of middle ground between 'the greatest story since videogames began' and 'uninspired.'

[Demo-Mike]

Are there any reviews other than this?



Anyway I'm calling bias, I've seen the combat and it's not the best RPG combat ever.

[Loerwyn]

dbankier wrote...
I think you're reading way too much into 'not gaming's best story.' There is a lot of middle ground between 'the greatest story since videogames began' and 'uninspired.'

Dude Saves The World is pretty much done to death. Would be nice if BioWare could stop with the Save The Cheerleader, Save The World type stories and give us something better.

They've not done anything like that since KotOR. Sigh.

[Demo-Mike]

Double post

Modifié par Demo-Mike, 26 février 2011 - 07:31 .

[Loerwyn]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Are there any reviews other than this?

Anyway I'm calling bias, I've seen the combat and it's not the best RPG combat ever.

In the UK? Yeah, but they'll generally be multiplatform reviews or in non-gaming specific mags like CustomPC. PC Gamer is, I think, the only dedicated PC gaming magazine around now as PC Zone sadly went out of print.

[Demo-Mike]

What are the scores of other reviews?

[The Elder King]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

dbankier wrote...
I think you're reading way too much into 'not gaming's best story.' There is a lot of middle ground between 'the greatest story since videogames began' and 'uninspired.'

Dude Saves The World is pretty much done to death. Would be nice if BioWare could stop with the Save The Cheerleader, Save The World type stories and give us something better.

They've not done anything like that since KotOR. Sigh.

According to Bioware, DA2's story wil not be focused on saving the world.  And I think I can agree, since the world at the end of DA2 is on the brink of war.

[Rake21]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Exactly. DA2 should have been knocked down for its uninspired story, but it clearly wasn't. Storytelling needs to have the story to back it up; No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

Well, you could look at it this way, too:

Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games of all time.  The plot, though, is riddled with JRPG cliches (granted most of them wern't cliche yet...).  However, what sets it apart is the great charecters and superb design and pacing.

I think that's what the reviewer was saying in this article.  The plot isn't the greatest story ever, but the way it's told and the charecters involve make it great

[slimgrin]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

Unless you run into Godzilla on the way.

[Purple People Eater]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Exactly. DA2 should have been knocked down for its uninspired story, but it clearly wasn't. Storytelling needs to have the story to back it up; No amount of embellishment can make a trip to the shop to buy milk exciting.

Considering you have no idea what the story is, could you maybe...get over yourself?

[TomHark]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Are there any reviews other than this?

Anyway I'm calling bias, I've seen the combat and it's not the best RPG combat ever.

You need to look up the definition of bias.  What you are seeing is actually called opinion.

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Dude Saves The World is pretty much done to death. Would be nice if BioWare could stop with the Save The Cheerleader, Save The World type stories and give us something better.

They've not done anything like that since KotOR. Sigh.

DA2 is nothing about saving the world.  Pretty much every preview since it was announced has pointed that out.  However, if you want another quote from the mag:

"Dragon Age 2 weaves a fine tale of social unrest, political intrigue and endless stabbing."

[Loerwyn]

hhh89 wrote...
According to Bioware,

Lemme stop you there. Never believe anything BioWare say until it's happened, because they're absolutely terrible in that regard.

slimgrin wrote...
Unless you run into Godzilla on the way.

Touché.

Purple People Eater wrote...
Considering you have no idea what the story is, could you maybe...get over yourself?

Nah.

[AkiKishi]

TomHark wrote...
I didn't forget anything; that quote does not exist.  He does say "Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling" which is not the same thing at all.

Again you just cherry picked the best bits. And your trying to put the best spin on the negatives.

It's for marketing blurb + 94 score something good to put on the box sleeve.

I would not trust those guys if they told me the sky was blue. The whole magizine and sister magazines are built around having a good relationship with the publishers of AAA games. They can never be viewed as objective.