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[TomHark]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TomHark wrote...
I didn't forget anything; that quote does not exist.  He does say "Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling" which is not the same thing at all.

Again you just cherry picked the best bits. And your trying to put the best spin on the negatives.

It's for marketing blurb + 94 score something good to put on the box sleeve.

I would not trust those guys if they told me the sky was blue. The whole magizine and sister magazines are built around having a good relationship with the publishers of AAA games. They can never be viewed as objective.

I just quoted from the magazine; there is no spin added at all.  I would include some quotes that were completely negative, but I can't find any.  Feel free to add some if you want, but I suspect that you haven't even read the review.

Edit:  For fairness, although there isn't anything in print to quote there is a picture that takes the ****** out of all the pre-order DLC available, suggesting that he didn't like that very much.

Modifié par TomHark, 26 février 2011 - 07:50 .

[The Elder King]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
According to Bioware,

Lemme stop you there. Never believe anything BioWare say until it's happened, because they're absolutely terrible in that regard.

OK. But how can Hawke save the world in DA2 if at the end of his/her story the world is on the brink of war? (it's a serious question).
I don't believe all the things any developers, from any company, says. But ti will be pretty lame if they have stated a lot of time that Hawke don't save the world in DA2 and then he saved them. Though they can make that Hawke saves Kirkwall, so this will only be "save a city":D

[AkiKishi]

TomHark wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

TomHark wrote...
I didn't forget anything; that quote does not exist.  He does say "Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling" which is not the same thing at all.

Again you just cherry picked the best bits. And your trying to put the best spin on the negatives.

It's for marketing blurb + 94 score something good to put on the box sleeve.

I would not trust those guys if they told me the sky was blue. The whole magizine and sister magazines are built around having a good relationship with the publishers of AAA games. They can never be viewed as objective.

I just quoted from the magazine; there is no spin added at all.  I would include some quotes that were completely negative, but I can't find any.  Feel free to add some if you want, but I suspect that you haven't even read the review.

Edit:  For fairness, although there isn't anything in print to quote there is a picture that takes the ****** out of all the pre-order DLC available, suggesting that he didn't like that very much.

No need you already proved my point about putting the best spin on the negatives.

TomHark wrote...
I didn't forget anything; that quote does not exist.  He does say "Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling" which is not the same thing at all.

[TomHark]

BobSmith101 wrote...

No need you already proved my point about putting the best spin on the negatives.

TomHark wrote...
I didn't forget anything; that quote does not exist.  He does say "Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling" which is not the same thing at all.

And you just proved my point by being unable to back up your accusations of bias and a score that doesn't match the rest of the review.  Either get back under your bridge or get a life.

[Razaroh]

Guys guys, I think we're forgetting just how Game Reviews truly work:


1. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive anyway? Typical corporate bribing bull**** at it's finest. Good thing you know better.

2. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive? Congratulations, you found someone with impeccable taste.

3. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? Congratulations, you knew it all along.

4. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? That's all right, the soulless corporate sellout wouldn't know a good game if he was bludgeoned to death with one.

[Aesieru]

LOL!

[TomHark]

Razaroh wrote...

Guys guys, I think we're forgetting just how Game Reviews truly work:


1. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive anyway? Typical corporate bribing bull**** at it's finest. Good thing you know better.

2. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive? Congratulations, you found someone with impeccable taste.

3. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? Congratulations, you knew it all along.

4. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? That's all right, the soulless corporate sellout wouldn't know a good game if he was bludgeoned to death with one.

This is very true.  I don't have any idea if the PC Gamer review matches my feelings or not and won't until I have played the game, but my point was more to show that the written words do match the score not that the score was accurate.

I notice that Mr Smith has given up with this thread now and has gone off to troll the GameStar review thread with the same nonsense instead.

[Josef bugman3]

Mr Smith, if you don't like this then why not just refrain from buying DA2? That and maybe complaining in threads that are about complaints rather than moaning of "bias" about a game none of us have played to completion yet. It might be good for everyone's collective blood pressure.

[DPB]

I've re-read the review and I couldn't see any real negatives either. Sometimes he begins a sentence explaining how something didn't seem good at first, but he goes on to explain how much he liked it in the end (like most of the game taking place in Kirkwall).

[rob_k]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

dbankier wrote...
I think you're reading way too much into 'not gaming's best story.' There is a lot of middle ground between 'the greatest story since videogames began' and 'uninspired.'

Dude Saves The World is pretty much done to death. Would be nice if BioWare could stop with the Save The Cheerleader, Save The World type stories and give us something better.

They've not done anything like that since KotOR. Sigh.

There is no save the world story here. They've stated several times that there's no big bad to defeat and the game ends when a question's answered.

And the quote saying 'not gaming's best story but maybe the best story telling' is correct. I've seen the review.

And you know what? There are no original stories anymore. What matters is how a story's told.

(I will agree though that the old save the world plot alongside other types of fantasy stories can get old, but this really isn't the case with this story I believe. If anything, it sounds like it resembles Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, with politics etc. being integrated into the story.)

Modifié par rob_k, 26 février 2011 - 10:53 .

[Aurgelmir]

As a long time reader of PC Gamer I can say that they would give 'Barbies Pony Adventures' a glowing review for an advanced exclusive.

[rob_k]

Fair enough, Aurg. Haven't read PC Gamer minus the review of DA 2. So, I can't dispute that.

But I do notice the tendancy to say any review over a 90 is paid for. Any review of 84 - 89 is mediocre and any review under that means the game's crap or the reviewer didn't get it or something.

Remember the fun times when people would look at a score and go, 'what, a 91? It should have got a 92, game's crap'. (I've not seen people use the whole 'what, 91?' thing for Dragon Age 2, but I've certainly seen it used for other games.)

Yeah, BioWare essentially can't win when it comes reviews.

Modifié par rob_k, 26 février 2011 - 11:17 .

[Aurgelmir]

True, its a catch 22. I heard their podcast as well and it was talked about well, perhaps he did enjoy it. But I find myself so often disagreeing with reviews these days, particular in the popular press, that I've become increasingly cynical.

[AllThatJazz]

Razaroh wrote...

Guys guys, I think we're forgetting just how Game Reviews truly work:


1. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive anyway? Typical corporate bribing bull**** at it's finest. Good thing you know better.

2. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive? Congratulations, you found someone with impeccable taste.

3. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? Congratulations, you knew it all along.

4. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? That's all right, the soulless corporate sellout wouldn't know a good game if he was bludgeoned to death with one.

This. Definitely this. 

[Quahtli]

rob_k wrote...

Fair enough, Aurg. Haven't read PC Gamer minus the review of DA 2. So, I can't dispute that.

But I do notice the tendancy to say any review over a 90 is paid for. Any review of 84 - 89 is mediocre and any review under that means the game's crap or the reviewer didn't get it or something.

Remember the fun times when people would look at a score and go, 'what, a 91? It should have got a 92, game's crap'. (I've not seen people use the whole 'what, 91?' thing for Dragon Age 2, but I've certainly seen it used for other games.)

Yeah, BioWare essentially can't win when it comes reviews.

Well, are there no exceptions? I remember metroid prime getting one of the highest ratings ever (especially for its platform), the average being 97, and I completely agree.

But on another note, shouldn't we at least agree that user previews are never really better than reviewer reviews?

Modifié par Quahtli, 27 février 2011 - 02:03 .

[Saibh]

Razaroh wrote...

Guys guys, I think we're forgetting just how Game Reviews truly work:


1. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive anyway? Typical corporate bribing bull**** at it's finest. Good thing you know better.

2. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive? Congratulations, you found someone with impeccable taste.

3. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? Congratulations, you knew it all along.

4. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? That's all right, the soulless corporate sellout wouldn't know a good game if he was bludgeoned to death with one.

Ha. Yes. And I'll be quoting this later.

[Felfenix]

I like how people who want to hate the game will claim the negative reviews are gospel, and positive reviews are biased, payed garbage, and how people who want to love the game will claim the positive reviews are gospel, and negative reviews are biased, rushed garbage.

People who let reviews are the absolute authority on what's good or bad are silly. Has nobody ever hated something with positive reviews, or loved something with negative reviews?

Modifié par Felfenix, 27 février 2011 - 02:14 .

[rob_k]

Quahtli wrote...

rob_k wrote...

Fair enough, Aurg. Haven't read PC Gamer minus the review of DA 2. So, I can't dispute that.

But I do notice the tendancy to say any review over a 90 is paid for. Any review of 84 - 89 is mediocre and any review under that means the game's crap or the reviewer didn't get it or something.

Remember the fun times when people would look at a score and go, 'what, a 91? It should have got a 92, game's crap'. (I've not seen people use the whole 'what, 91?' thing for Dragon Age 2, but I've certainly seen it used for other games.)

Yeah, BioWare essentially can't win when it comes reviews.

Well, are there no exceptions? I remember metroid prime getting one of the highest ratings ever (especially for its platform), the average being 97, and I completely agree.

But on another note, shouldn't we at least agree that user previews are never really better than reviewer reviews?

Not really, no, though this is mainly referring to the 'vocal majority' that pans a game at release. When I'm interested in a game, I tend to read quite a few reviews and gobble up any information I can regarding it, which means I spend a lot of time browsing forums.

Usually, the way comments go are as follows for practically every game I've followed:

1) What, score above 90? Paid off.

2) What, a score below 90? It's mediocre then and I knew it'd suck. (Since when is a score between 80/84 - 89 a poor score as well?)

3) What, a score below 80? This either means the game sucks or the game reviewer didn't get it.

4) That's crp, man. This game sux becuse it gt 91, it shuld ave gt 91.5 instd. Or, 'game's ruied bcuse it gt 91.5 instd of 92.

Please do note I'm only talking about the majority of comments. And there are probably exceptions, but for the most part, this is true.

I think the only game that I've seen a largely positive reaction to is Demon's Souls. However, I never followed that game at release due to being in the UK. We didn't get it until last year, well after the release in Japan and the US I believe.

Edit: Regarding user reviews, I'd say they can be more worthless than other reviews to be honest. Look on Amazon and how many people review a game before it's out? How many user reviews are one sentence etc.?

Some are okay/good though.

Honestly though, people oughta just read the text of a review, rather than just zeroing in on just the negatives and looking at the score. Then form their own opinion and look at a variety of reviews. Reviews are opinions at the end of the day and I've recently began needing to score games for the reviews that I do. I have to take into account various tastes when it comes to games. For instance, on a Resident 5 review, I said I'd give it a 3.5/5 if the 'not being able to move while shooting' thing bothers a particular gamer. Or a 4 if it doesn't bother them. It was between 3 - 4 anyways, on both ends of the scale. And, to be honest, I quite dislike scores. I'd rather just have the text do the explaining of whether a game is good or not.

And no, I don't write reviews for magazines or websites like IGN etc.

Modifié par rob_k, 27 février 2011 - 03:22 .

[Kanten]

Razaroh wrote...

Guys guys, I think we're forgetting just how Game Reviews truly work:


1. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive anyway? Typical corporate bribing bull**** at it's finest. Good thing you know better.

2. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive? Congratulations, you found someone with impeccable taste.

3. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? Congratulations, you knew it all along.

4. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? That's all right, the soulless corporate sellout wouldn't know a good game if he was bludgeoned to death with one.

When's the last time you saw an Activision/EA game with a bloated marketing campaign get anything less than an 8.5?

[Dr. Nexas]

Kanten wrote...

Razaroh wrote...

Guys guys, I think we're forgetting just how Game Reviews truly work:


1. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive anyway? Typical corporate bribing bull**** at it's finest. Good thing you know better.

2. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally positive? Congratulations, you found someone with impeccable taste.

3. Don't like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? Congratulations, you knew it all along.

4. Do you like the game, series, or developer? Is the review generally negative? That's all right, the soulless corporate sellout wouldn't know a good game if he was bludgeoned to death with one.

When's the last time you saw an Activision/EA game with a bloated marketing campaign get anything less than an 8.5?

Medal of Honor 

Prototype

[PopeTackler]

The only reviewer I'll take at their word is GiantBomb. And even then I'll go rent the game if I'm that curious.

I feel for people who had their hopes dashed by what they've seen so far of DA2. I couldn't imagine being a huge fan of an IP only to have the sequel be the exact opposite of what I was expecting. But those people need to remember that all they've seen is a tiny portion of an, at the time, unfinished game.

[Maria13]

Wondering what the posters make of one of the last phrases: "I hadn't anticipated it being this much of a traditional sequel..."

Is it possible that he means it really builds more on DA:O than he anticipated?

[Razaroh]

Whoops, wrong post.

Modifié par Razaroh, 28 février 2011 - 09:15 .

[Skilled Seeker]

RPG of the decade!

[Archyyy]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

RPG of the decade!

No.