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#76
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Dubya75 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I think the statement that we will be spending a lot of time in Kirkwall may be misleading.
We already know of 6 major areas in the game (not counting Lothering): Kirkwall, Hightown, Lowtown, the Gallows, Deep Roads and Sundermount.
Compare this to the 7 main areas in Origins (Denerim, Redcliffe, Orzammar, Bracillian, Deep Roads, Circle Tower and Lothering - have I missed any?) and considering Kirkwall is supposed to be much bigger than Denerim, I don't think this is going to be an issue.


though the hightown, lowtown, the gallows, are part of kirkwall

the deep roads are beneath kirkwall.

ninja'ed:ph34r:


I don't believe areas need to be distributed far and wide geographically to provide variation in surroundings. 

Hmmm, perhaps this topic deserves it's own thread...


i didn't say they weren't distinct or variated.

the different districts could be well very different from each other.

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kingjezza wrote...

Just read the PG gamer UK review. Firstly let me say they give it a glowing review...

Verdict  94

The best RPG combat ever. Not gaming's best story, but maybe it's best storytelling. Darker, sexier, better


But even after such a positive review I can't help but feel dissapointed, for the reason that the review basically confims one of my concerns i've had about this game, it says apart from a few trips to the deeproads and one trip to a Dalish camp the rest of your time is spent in Kirkwell, some probably wont mind this but for a person like me who likes exploring lots of new, diverse and interesting areas in games the fact that we will spend 90% (not an accurate percentage) of our time in the same city is a huge dissapoinment. Who knows maybe with future expansions/DLC they'll expand this part of the World a little more and give us more places to visit because I simply can't see myself replaying a game where I'm basically stuck in the same place for the whole game.

Anyway like I say there were plenty of positives in the review and for those that have a love for cities and don't mind that you'll spend the majority of your time in the same one this wont be a problem. While game time is always a subjective thing they say the game is up to 50 hours long for those that like knowing these sort of things.


50 hours long? Bioware said "longer than Awakening and shorter than Origins" mind you, I never did everything through my first play through of Origins and racked up 35 hours. If I had did everything first time (other times you play a game, it's normally quicker because you know what to do with many quests) I may have got 50 hours but that's equal to DA2 then. I guess it's due to the difficulty you play on.

50 hours long is good though.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 11 février 2011 - 01:16 .


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nightcobra8928 wrote...

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So what did they say about the visuals?

And what did they mean by "not gaming's best story", exactly? Did they have a gripe with it?


it doesn't say it's bad either, it could just mean it's the kind of story they've heard before but told in an original way as far as videogames go.

I know. I'm asking if the magazine elaborated on that point somewhere in the review.

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Dubya75 wrote...

I would disregard this review, what are the chances of them having received a full copy of the game a month before release? Do these things even happen in the industry?


they do, it's not uncommon.
i even remember them doing it for games in the ps1 era.

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Dubya75 wrote...

I would disregard this review, what are the chances of them having received a full copy of the game a month before release? Do these things even happen in the industry?

OXM had ME2 a month before it came out and it's one of the few ME2 reviews that was good.

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Dubya75 wrote...

I would disregard this review, what are the chances of them having received a full copy of the game a month before release?

Fairly good.

Do these things even happen in the industry?

Yes.

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Not gaming's best story


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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Seems like they didn't think the story was a strong point of the game, disappointing...

People bashed DAO's story for being too generic as well, and some of the same people claimed ME2 had a brilliant story. IMO some people are complete morons.

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Is it ironic that they said Dragon Age 2 has the best storytelling Bioware has ever done, and people then draw from the review that the story is not its' strong point?

It's clear they're talking about Bioware's tendency to hand out tropes all throughout their plots like cheap cigars. I'm sure the reviewer would have described Dragon Age: Origins as "not gaming's best story" as well.

If you were able to enjoy the occasionally cliche-ridden storytelling of Bioware's past before, then it should hardly be a negative point for you here. It's all a subjective thing.

Modifié par Satsuma, 11 février 2011 - 01:30 .


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Yeah DAO overall story wasn't exactly the most amazing thing out there. I prefered PST and BG2 story overall. But they where more personal, less 'oh noes worlds in trouble'. Most likely why I'll like DA2 story more then DAO's. And, that said, DAO had great writing. May not of loved the overall arching premise but everything else was amazing.

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Does this review say how big the imported saves influence the game??

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DAO while did have a boring main story was still well written, understandable and not filled with plotholes. Could have been better but at least it was decent. DA2 however sounds very interesting, can't wait :D

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Elithranduil wrote...


Not gaming's best story


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but maybe it's best storytelling


Reading whole sentences helps.

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Amitar wrote...

PC Gamer UK isn't the publication it used to be, in my opinion.

I'm with you there, though it's reassuring to have such a high score from the first review nonetheless.

Modifié par BTCentral, 11 février 2011 - 01:38 .


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Collider wrote...

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I am fearing that we'll have a repeat of some of ME2's "sexy" elements.

More or less.

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scootermcgaffin wrote...

Reading whole sentences helps.


It really only depends how do you want to put it. It could be "Maybe it's best storytelling, but not gaming's best story."
Just to incite some depression.
Muhaha, Evil Hawke strikes again!

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Well, look at it this way, at the very worst, the story will be exactly as bland as Origins with better storytelling.

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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Collider wrote...

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I am fearing that we'll have a repeat of some of ME2's "sexy" elements.

More or less.

As long as Anders does not say the priiize I will be happy.

Modifié par Mr.House, 11 février 2011 - 01:42 .


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scootermcgaffin wrote...

Elithranduil wrote...


Not gaming's best story


Image IPB

but maybe it's best storytelling


Reading whole sentences helps.


Yeah.  I assume the reviewer means that the main plot isn't groundbreaking or super fresh, but the storytelling that gets us through the game is great.  I'm very cool with that.

I'm just ready for March 8.  Can this month be over already???

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Mr.House wrote...
As long as Anders does not say the priiize I will be happy. 

Varrick is gonna be a head of priize department, don't worry

Modifié par Mash Mashington, 11 février 2011 - 01:44 .


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Mr.House wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Collider wrote...

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I am fearing that we'll have a repeat of some of ME2's "sexy" elements.

More or less.

As long as Anders does not say the priiize I will be happy.

I'm not sure Lady Hawke is the kind of woman who would tolerate that.

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Mr.House wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Collider wrote...

(...)

I am fearing that we'll have a repeat of some of ME2's "sexy" elements.

More or less.

As long as Anders does not say the priiize I will be happy.


If I see any youtube videos of him saying that... I will kill him in all play throughs following to avoid having to deal with such horrible dialog and writing...:sick:

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On the "not the best story" thing - that seems like a bit like ME2. The story was basically, gather a team then do mission. What made the game great was the characters and the way the story played out.



Just read the review in the magazine and I'm pretty excited. :)

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OK looking over the review and trying to pick out some points.

I said up to 50 hours, it actually says upwards of 50 hours:

Dragon age 2 does it right, It's still an RPG epic, it still takes upwards of 50 hours to finish, it's still got a deep complex combat system and it's still got a well-defined supporting cast


- He praises the frame narrative and mentions this is part of the reason the game hangs together so well.

- Praises the Hawke Character (played as a male), says he comes across as awesome most of the time.

- Mentions the wheel, only very occasionally did he feel neutered by his choice, on the whole he praises it.

- He has a lot of praise for the game and the serious moral choices you have to make and how having the 10 year arc means your actions might have some very real consequences down the line, this adds to the burden of the choices you make, decisions might come back to bite you on the ass. Mentions wronged people might not even target you but your family etc

Dragon age 2's story is driven by these moments of tension and forced choice. They always feel organic and truly contextual


- Felt a little let down at first by lack of escape from the city but in the end found benefits to knowing the city backwards, allowed him to get a complete grasp on the games "complicated political system"

- Most impressive attempt he has seen at making player choices in a game mean something.

- Romantic options unconstrained, you meet a party member chances are you can "bone" them. his words not mine. Your siblings being the obvious exceptions.

- Incidental conversations are splendid, ruder, funnier and just plain better than Origins.

- Most of the companions are excellent, Bethany being the only dud as she lacks in personality :(

- Combat is rapid and satisfying but more intricate than Origins.

- Party members abilities a lot of fun, found himself rotating his party a lot.

- Basically says the game is not what you expect, didn't expect it to be as much of a traditional sequel as it is but by having Bioware lock down the context (the world and the politics) they were free to fill their creation with more character and vitality than any title in recent memory.

That's basically the jist of it, doesn't mention graphics at all or importing your save. He does at one point mention equipping Aveline with the best armour, I figured he meant rings and whatnot. Hopefully that was OK to post.

Modifié par kingjezza, 11 février 2011 - 03:50 .


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Herr Uhl wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

I would disregard this review, what are the chances of them having received a full copy of the game a month before release?

Fairly good.

Do these things even happen in the industry?

Yes.


Oh...well in that case I look forward to reading the review! :D