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[TyDurden13]

Yeah, I agree with those saying the story in DAO was nothing special - pretty generic fantasy tropes TBH. What made it compelling was the depth of the characters (I thought it handled companions better than any other game I have played) and the lore, along with some nice atmospheric set pieces.



If the companions and consequences of our choices are implemented as well as the reviewer states, I am sure I will be very happy with the game.

[Herr Uhl]

gastovski wrote...

"professional reviewers" what a joke

They do it for a living, thus they are professional.

I used to be a professional roof shoveler.

[Yrkoon]

magicwins wrote...

My post is what's called a joke. If your delicate feelings can't handle it, feel free to cry openly. But don't post crap like that.

Well, people's delicate feelings aside, a joke that generates no laughter is  also called "a failure" or  "a dud".

Just sayin'

[magicwins]

Count Viceroy wrote...

But I suspect you're aware of this, you're just clinging onto anything that could help your precious Witcher.

Let's not go down that road, please? That was not my intention when I made my post. Let's keep this thread about the DA2 review itself.

Yrkoon wrote...

Well, people's delicate feelings aside, a joke that generates no laughter is  also called "a failure" or  "a dud".

Just sayin'

Failing to deliver a good joke has never stopped me from trying

Modifié par magicwins, 11 février 2011 - 03:09 .

[Catsith]

Soul Reaver wrote...

Ammonite wrote...

Soul Reaver wrote...

Amyntas wrote...



It's always a good sign when people start dismissing reviews because they are too positive.

Reviewing a game before it's even finished with tons of bugs and unpolished stuff and giving it a high score is NOT a biased review, no siree

But if he liked even the theoretically bug-ridden, unpolished and unfinished version, then isn't that really good news for the finished product?

"Professional" reviewers are supposed to review the finished product only

I don't think you know how this works. Reviewers get review copies of the game, they don't get the boxed game you and I get, although it's very close to final. DA2 has been finished for a while now, they are doing final tweaks.

[Darth Hawke]

Ammonite wrote...

Soul Reaver wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

It's always a good sign when people start dismissing reviews because they are too positive.

Reviewing a game before it's even finished with tons of bugs and unpolished stuff and giving it a high score is NOT a biased review, no siree

But if he liked even the theoretically bug-ridden, unpolished and unfinished version, then isn't that really good news for the finished product?

He's not supposed to review anything other than the finished product. Now, if EA paid him to write all that stuff that's something else

[Elsariel]

Yrkoon wrote...

David Gaider said, quite a while ago, that Kirkwall is a huge sprawling place, much bigger than Denerim.  If it is so big that one can get lost in it, then no, I personally won't mind at all if we're there for 90% of the game.  On the contrary, I'll be positively giddy.  I *Like* city adventures, provided the city is large and has character,

This!  A game where most of the adventuring takes place in once city is a new experience for me and I'm quite keen on new experiences in gaming.  I'm excited for it.

[Eclipse_9990]

magicwins wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

But I suspect you're aware of this, you're just clinging onto anything that could help your precious Witcher.

Let's not go down that road, please? That was not my intention when I made my post. Let's keep this thread about the DA2 review itself.

This^ Nobodies interested in reading an argument about whether Dragon Age 2 could kick The Witcher 2's ass in a street fight. Lets just stick to the regular topic.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 11 février 2011 - 03:11 .

[Adhin]

A finished product yes, as content and all that. Games get patched, doesn't mean its not a finished product at release. And ultimately thats what they've been doing to it for the past few months now. Fixing bugs, 'patching it' over and over to polish and smooth out the edges so its as silky as they can get it before it gets printed.

Reviewers play what amounts to a finished product but ultimately will be mildly less polished then the printed, store bought copy. If a reviewer doesn't have anything to say about it being buggy or hitching up or noticing lots of that stuff its generally a good sign either way. Often times when they 'do' say that about a game they often throw out a 'but its not a completely finished build so hopefully thats all polished by release'.

[Soul Reaver]

Catsith wrote...

I don't think you know how this works. Reviewers get review copies of the game, they don't get the boxed game you and I get, although it's very close to final. DA2 has been finished for a while now, they are doing final tweaks.

The reviewers copy and the finished product MUST be the same build since reviewers need to know what to write about bugs and optimization

[Rimfrost]

Wow to me the review makes me exited.



* Best story telling ever

* Complex political fractions

* Long time span makes decision burdensome

* Your choices has consequences for you and your family



All this should make great replay value as well and this is just want I wanted to see.



I was thinking about doing a scrappy mage more nature oriented but if we're in a city perhaps he needs to be scrappy in another way. Can't wait for this game!

[Count Viceroy]

Darth Hawke wrote...
He's not supposed to review anything other than the finished product. Now, if EA paid him to write all that stuff that's something else

It's like talking to a wall on these forums.

[Herr Uhl]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Ammonite wrote...
But if he liked even the theoretically bug-ridden, unpolished and unfinished version, then isn't that really good news for the finished product?

Not necessarily, no.  He could be completely biased on a lot of things; he could be an awful reviewer in general; he could be on the level; he could have been bribed.  Who knows?

A positive review does not mean the game is good, nor would a negative review mean it is bad.  It means that you can read this and take his opinions with a grain of salt, as what he says tells us next to nothing about the game.

Indeed, it is like drawing conclusions from one single trial, or making a poll with one person. If you take several reviews in consideration the numbers would be better to make a conclusion.

[Duncan Anderson]

"Professional" reviewers are supposed to review the finished product only

This isn't true and never has been, Review copies are standard practice.

[Rimfrost]

Soul Reaver wrote...
The reviewers copy and the finished product MUST be the same build since reviewers need to know what to write about bugs and optimization

Ideally yes but I doubt that's true most of the time. That said it's in BioWare's and EA's interest in handing the reviwers something that is plot complete and bug free enough or they will get a lot of "this game is not stable" issues.

I'm sure they will work fixing bug up to the abo****e latest cut of day they can and then continue work to have an update ready soon after release date.

[slimgrin]

double post. sorry

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 03:16 .

[Count Viceroy]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Indeed, it is like drawing conclusions from one single trial, or making a poll with one person. If you take several reviews in consideration the numbers would be better to make a conclusion.

Agreed, but for now, it's all we have and we should take it as such. All these accusations of bribery are unwarrented, until other reviews start popping up with totally different impressions.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 03:14 .

[upsettingshorts]

Count Viceroy wrote...

It's like talking to a wall on these forums.

Definitely, the naysayers are often quite persistent with their baseless, dismissive attacks on things they have little to no actual information about.

Herr Uhl wrote...

Indeed, it is like drawing conclusions from one single trial, or making a poll with one person. If you take several reviews in consideration the numbers would be better to make a conclusion.

Very true.

Duncan Anderson wrote...

This isn't true and never has been, Review copies are standard practice.

Also very true. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 février 2011 - 03:16 .

[slimgrin]

Seems dubious to me.

@shorts - pretty nifty timing eh? lol.

~Edit~

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 03:15 .

[Eclipse_9990]

slimgrin wrote...

Seems dubious to me.

You already said that. 

[Count Viceroy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

It's like talking to a wall on these forums.

Definitely, the naysayers are often quite persistent with their baseless, dismissive attacks on things they have little to know actual information about.

Amen.

[Herr Uhl]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Indeed, it is like drawing conclusions from one single trial, or making a poll with one person. If you take several reviews in consideration the numbers would be better to make a conclusion.

Agreed, but for now, it's all we have and we should take it as such. All these accusations of bribery are unwarrented, unless other reviews start popping up with totally different impressions.

Yes, but one shouldn't get too excited either. The accusations of bribery is probably due to that it clashes with what they expect, just as I'd start to wonder if he gave it a 6/10.

But, good reviews are good.

[Taleroth]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

It's like talking to a wall on these forums.

Definitely, the naysayers are often quite persistent with their baseless, dismissive attacks on things they have little to no actual information about.

 As a naysayer I'm both offended by your broad strokes and the fact that I share skepticism with the people for whom it genuinly applies.

Modifié par Taleroth, 11 février 2011 - 03:17 .

[upsettingshorts]

Taleroth wrote...

As a naysayer I'm both offended by your broad strokes and the fact that I share skepticism with the people for whom it genuinly applies.

If you're skeptical but don't cling to your preconceptions like they're your own children - I wouldn't call you a "naysayer" or criticize you in such a manner at all, really.  

Those people have already decided the game is bad.  Nothing will change their minds.  This of course isn't really the problem, the problem is the result of assuming that anyone who could possibly disagree with that conclusion is a paid shill or blindless fanboy.  It simply isn't possible for other reasonable (or "professional") people to honestly disagree with them! 

Skeptics on the other hand can be proven correct or incorrect in their doubts, but they are still open to evaluating new information.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 février 2011 - 03:21 .

[Eclipse_9990]

The whole bribery accusation is a bit much, I think. I hope some more reviews come out soon, to add their own opinion on this. Besides why are some people so surprised that the review was good?

All the previews DA2 had so far, have been pretty good.

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 11 février 2011 - 03:20 .