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[Darth Hawke]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

It's like talking to a wall on these forums.

Definitely, the naysayers are often quite persistent with their baseless, dismissive attacks on things they have little to no actual information about.

As opposed to fanboys approving BioWare's every whim?

[Taleroth]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

As a naysayer I'm both offended by your broad strokes and the fact that I share skepticism with the people for whom it genuinly applies.

If you're skeptical but don't cling to your preconceptions like they're your own children - I wouldn't call you a "naysayer" or criticize you in such a manner at all, really.  

 I would.  Conversation wheel is the devil! (But maybe it can work for this game even if I don't like that aspect completely.) DEVIL, I SAY!

rabble rabble rabble

Modifié par Taleroth, 11 février 2011 - 03:20 .

[Zhijn]

Suprised to hear that alot of the game take place just in a city. Thats gotta be one giant city(?).

Anyway will read the full review later when i get home. In the mean time, does the review mention anything about DAO choices shaping the "country" and certain characters in DA2?.

Modifié par Zhijn, 11 février 2011 - 03:21 .

[Herr Uhl]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

All the previews DA2 had so far has been good stuff so far.

After the initial "dragon effect" era of previews, yes.

I don't remember any negative ones from the last batch.

[magicwins]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

The whole bribery accusation is a bit much, I think. I hope some more reviews come out soon, to add their own opinion on this. Besides why are some people so surprised that the review was good?

All the previews DA2 had so far, have been pretty good.

Because the changes were so drastic. I was fully expecting to feel 'meh' about this game. This review has given me hope.

Modifié par magicwins, 11 février 2011 - 03:21 .

[Rimfrost]

It would be very surprising if a major site dared to give a bioware game a bad review. that said from what can be seen from this revieew he seem pretty exited about the game so hopefully it is an inspired BioWare game

[Taleroth]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

All the previews DA2 had so far has been good stuff so far.

After the initial "dragon effect" era of previews, yes.

I don't remember any negative ones from the last batch.

I never saw a negative "dragon effect" preview.  Even the worst "they're turning it into Mass Effect!" previews always seemed to take that as a good thing.

I still want to hurl insults at newborn puppies everytime I read a preview state voiced PCs as an uncontestable good.

Modifié par Taleroth, 11 février 2011 - 03:24 .

[Purple People Eater]

I love the pessimism of some people. The game gets a great review (which we all want for it), but the review was too positive, so naturally the reviewer was paid by Bioware. Conspiracy theorists are the saddest type. Always drowning in their glass half empty.

[kingjezza]

In the mean time, does the review mention anything about DAO choices shaping the "country" and certain characters in DA2?.

It doesn't I'm afraid.

[slimgrin]

Zhijn wrote...

Suprised to hear that alot of the game take place just in a city. Thats gotta be one giant city(?).

I'm not too happy about this, as I enjoy experiencing varied environments in my rpg's. DA did a pretty good job of this.

The part about how reactive the game is sounds promising, as does the 50 hrs part. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 03:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

Darth Hawke wrote...
As opposed to fanboys approving BioWare's every whim?

I don't know any of those people.  They're a myth.  Almost everyone I've ever seen be accused of fanboyism or "BDF" has had negative things to say about some aspects of Dragon Age or Mass Effect or even TOR.

To be fair though, very few "naysayers" as I describe them exist either.  The ones that do are just persistent and loud.  Most detractors of DA2 have their own logical reasons and are consistent in them. 

However people accusing PC Gamer's review of being the result of unprofessional bribery are doing their best to be put in that category.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 février 2011 - 03:26 .

[Herr Uhl]

Taleroth wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

After the initial "dragon effect" era of previews, yes.

I don't remember any negative ones from the last batch.

I never saw a negative "dragon effect" preview.  Even the worst "they're turning it into Mass Effect!" previews always seemed to take that as a good thing.

Might have been. But the way they talked about everything made me less positive. The later previews have more of the things I like listed.

Personal bias while reading it I guess.

[BTCentral]

Soul Reaver wrote...

"Professional" reviewers are supposed to review the finished product only

Ever seen the "Promotional - Not for resale" copies of games on places such as eBay? Guess where they come from.

[Herr Uhl]

kingjezza wrote...

In the mean time, does the review mention anything about DAO choices shaping the "country" and certain characters in DA2?.

It doesn't I'm afraid.

Okay. Did he mention if he imported or played one of the three archetypes?

[JJDrakken]

BlackyBlack wrote...

kingjezza wrote...

 it says apart from a few trips to the deeproads and one trip to a Dalish camp the rest of your time is spent in Kirkwell, some probably wont mind this but for a person like me who likes exploring lots of new, diverse and interesting areas in games the fact that we will spend 90% (not an accurate percentage) of our time in the same city is a huge dissapoinment.

What did you expect? With such a short development time they just copy pasted the same crap all over again. It's also much cheaper

Yet costs us more money...50hr play time doesn't even cover my dollar an hour rule for games.  Since game is 60+ bucks & if I wanted Sebastian Vael, another 7+ bucks.


JJ

[slimgrin]

Purple People Eater wrote...

I love the pessimism of some people. The game gets a great review (which we all want for it), but the review was too positive, so naturally the reviewer was paid by Bioware. Conspiracy theorists are the saddest type. Always drowning in their glass half empty.

I see critical thinking, and a familiarity with the reality in gaming reviews nowadays: they are highly biased, especially early ones.

The only way I know of to get a halfway decent 'review', is to consider an aggregate score.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 03:27 .

[kingjezza]

ignore.

Modifié par kingjezza, 11 février 2011 - 03:29 .

[kingjezza]

Nothing about importing or anything of that sort.

The only thing he mentions about choices is he played as a male rogue.

Modifié par kingjezza, 11 février 2011 - 03:29 .

[BTCentral]

JJDrakken wrote...

Yet costs us more money...50hr play time doesn't even cover my dollar an hour rule for games.  Since game is 60+ bucks & if I wanted Sebastian Vael, another 7+ bucks.

If it's a 50 hour game, then it's cost me less than £0.50/hour.
I'd say that's pretty good going. Especially considering I am bound to do multiple playthroughs.

[Herr Uhl]

kingjezza wrote...


Nothing about importing or anything of that sort.

The only thing he mentions about choices is he played as a male rogue.

Okay, thank you for the answer.

[upsettingshorts]

slimgrin wrote...

I see critical thinking

Hah!

slimgrin wrote...

The only way I know of to get a halfway decent 'review', is to consider an aggregate score.

That I can agree with.  Assuming that DA2 "is a 96" based on one data point isn't terribly wise.  What this is is simply one very positive review from PC Gamer.  Take it for what it's worth.  

[Zhijn]

kingjezza wrote...

In the mean time, does the review mention anything about DAO choices shaping the "country" and certain characters in DA2?.

It doesn't I'm afraid.

Ah well, maybe the reviewer just didnt go that fare with DA2. One can only hope!. =P

[spernus]

Review score for a Bioware game is almost irrelevant.Worse game is their handheld Sonic game,but their fanbase is on consoles/PC.Outside of that,the worse a Bioware game can get is around 89%.It's not about the reviews,it's how much aspect of the game can annoy you or not.It will get great scores,but ultimately it will come down to how many aspect of the game annoy me or not as Bioware aren't flawless.

What I find interesting about DA2 is that it seems to be going in a new storytelling direction for a Bioware game with meaningful choices and consequences.

Modifié par spernus, 11 février 2011 - 03:37 .

[Duncan Anderson]

Bioware games always get good scores because they are always good games. It's not some kind of preferential treatment because the press like them.

[Catsith]

Rimfrost wrote...

It would be very surprising if a major site dared to give a bioware game a bad review

Why do people say this? DA:O on consoles is the lowest rated big budget Bioware game, but it's still not a bad game by any means. Sonic Chronicles and ME galaxy were ripped apart, as was most of the DLC for DA:O. I think reviewers have been very fair towards Bioware's games and DLC.