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[GuldiienDAO]

If nothing else, it gets people talking about both games.

[Gambient]

JigPig wrote...

LOL, thread should've ended here.

[Carfax]

The Witcher 2 will be a true dark fantasy RPG... Not dark fantasy lite like Dragon Age 2.



Bioware is too politically correct to make a real dark fantasy RPG.. CD Projekt Red isn't hampered by political correctness and so the Witcher 2 will be a much more authentic experience, just like the original Witcher.

[Fergo87]

I thought though the video quality wasn't top notch the new footage we saw from in game in DAII looked quite nice with the environments showing quite good amounts of attention to detail. The best example I could give at this point was the creeper growing on the walls in Kirkwall. It looked very well done and it's nice to know the little things are being looked after as well. It all counts. Sometime's it's not the polish on the surface that's the big deal, but the detail and depth of the graphics that counts.

[MuseMajora]

slimgrin wrote...

From the few posts I've seen by Gop in the CD red site, he's the type to tell it like it is. I prefer that over spin any day. I also respect Bioware of course, and the devs who regularly get online to speak with us. Besides, Gop just answered the question honestly; he wasn't 'calling out' Bioware.

Yeah I agree, I don't think he was calling out anyone. But you can leave it to others to misinterpret what someone says. However, there's nothing in the games industry that I respect more than complimenting other games, especially if their potential competition. Which is why Mike Laidlaw has my respect.

Modifié par MuseMajora, 11 février 2011 - 09:04 .

[grregg]

Saphara wrote...

grregg wrote...

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Again, the attitude if anything is refreshing. I'd rather have a direct "we are better because..." answer than the usual no-content marketing blurb.

And I really hope that CD Projekt thinks they are doing the best game ever. If they shoot to be the second best, they have lost already.

Conversely, I hope that BioWare guys when they work on DA2, their goal is the best RPG ever. What's the point in aiming for mediocrity?

Then we just have a difference in opinion on how marketing should be handled, and thats fine. We like different things, and i wont bash you for it.

Shooting to be the best is what should be happening. I just dont like it when it involves "bashing" (although it wasnt really true bashing) other games that are their competition.

As you said, I would not qualifying it as "bashing."

As for handling the marketing, that's what I like about CD Projekt guys, they come through as just guys talking about their favorite game, as opposed to marketing pros promoting one. Sometimes funny, sometimes awkward, but rather genuine.

Who knows though, maybe they are really, really clever marketers and decided to go for the "just a guy next door" vibe...

[Deviana]

Don't care. I really like both games and find both stories enjoyable. Personally I see no reason for the whole 'vs' debate. When games are good, they have their own following, when they are bad, no amount of comparison will help them.

[Carfax]

Gambient wrote...
LOL, thread should've ended here.

The Enhanced Edition scored 86.

www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-enhanced-edition

[Fergo87]

I'm not sure what level of political correctness is hampering Bioware? Care to explain with some examples of how CDR are more authentic and how BW isn't?

[mesmerizedish]

Carfax wrote...

The Witcher 2 will be a true dark fantasy RPG... Not dark fantasy lite like Dragon Age 2.

Bioware is too politically correct to make a real dark fantasy RPG.. CD Projekt Red isn't hampered by political correctness and so the Witcher 2 will be a much more authentic experience, just like the original Witcher.

Except that not being "hampered by political correctness" leads them to juvenile tastelessness.

[Chriagon]

Gambient wrote...

JigPig wrote...

LOL, thread should've ended here.

Modifié par chrissicross, 11 février 2011 - 09:27 .

[Maderas_]

I'll just reiterate what I said yesterday: people take this way too seriously.



It's called marketing hype. See PC vs. Mac, AT&T vs. Verizon, McDonald's vs. Burger King, and just about every other product known to man.

[Count Viceroy]

Carfax wrote...

Gambient wrote...
LOL, thread should've ended here.

The Enhanced Edition scored 86.

www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-enhanced-edition

What's the point of that exactly? They remade the original game. Means that they had a whole extra year to work on the game, and still not even get close to DAO, that really speaks in it's disfavor more than helping it. Imagine if Bioware had another year to dedicate to DAO after launch...

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 09:09 .

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Oh yes, the Witcher is such a mature RPG.



*choice: walk left or walk right*

If you walk left a puppy gets kicked into a meat grinder.

If you walk right an orphan gets raped.

Geralt: *curse curse curse curse*

NPC: *curse curse curse curse*

Female NPC: Let's have sex!

Geralt: Give me a dirty playing card with your boobs on it.

Female NPC: OK!



Hooray for 'dark' fantasy!



Basically take the 'sex and violence' marketing for DA:O and make it into an actual game, and you have The Witcher. Except make it boring as all hell, needlessly convoluted and complicated and have the player endlessly smash the left mouse button to fight.

[Rawgrim]

I don`t see any problems. Both DA2 and The Witcher 2 will be good games, I am sure. So for us who likes roleplaying games its a win win situation, no?

[AngelicMachinery]

Carfax wrote...

The Witcher 2 will be a true dark fantasy RPG... Not dark fantasy lite like Dragon Age 2.

Bioware is too politically correct to make a real dark fantasy RPG.. CD Projekt Red isn't hampered by political correctness and so the Witcher 2 will be a much more authentic experience, just like the original Witcher.

Does dark fantasy involve rape and other attempts to make a game seem a little more edgy.  Personally,   I think the City elf origin implied it enough,  any more and I would have started to become extremely uncomftorable.  

[slimgrin]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Oh yes, the Witcher is such a mature RPG.

*choice: walk left or walk right*
If you walk left a puppy gets kicked into a meat grinder.
If you walk right an orphan gets raped.
Geralt: *curse curse curse curse*
NPC: *curse curse curse curse*
Female NPC: Let's have sex!
Geralt: Give me a dirty playing card with your boobs on it.
Female NPC: OK!

Hooray for 'dark' fantasy!

Basically take the 'sex and violence' marketing for DA:O and make it into an actual game, and you have The Witcher. Except make it boring as all hell, needlessly convoluted and complicated and have the player endlessly smash the left mouse button to fight.

It sounds like the writing in TW flew right over your head.

[Atakuma]

TW2 devs are a pretentious lot.

[packardbell]

Carfax wrote...

The Witcher 2 will be a true dark fantasy RPG... Not dark fantasy lite like Dragon Age 2.

Bioware is too politically correct to make a real dark fantasy RPG.. CD Projekt Red isn't hampered by political correctness and so the Witcher 2 will be a much more authentic experience, just like the original Witcher.

Yeah.. that's why they threw out the sex cards.

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

slimgrin wrote...

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Oh yes, the Witcher is such a mature RPG.

*choice: walk left or walk right*
If you walk left a puppy gets kicked into a meat grinder.
If you walk right an orphan gets raped.
Geralt: *curse curse curse curse*
NPC: *curse curse curse curse*
Female NPC: Let's have sex!
Geralt: Give me a dirty playing card with your boobs on it.
Female NPC: OK!

Hooray for 'dark' fantasy!

Basically take the 'sex and violence' marketing for DA:O and make it into an actual game, and you have The Witcher. Except make it boring as all hell, needlessly convoluted and complicated and have the player endlessly smash the left mouse button to fight.

It sounds like the writing in TW flew right over your head.

When the writing 1) railroads me into no-win choices and 2) strongly encourages me to bone every woman I meet, I have the right to call it immature. Literally TEN MINUTES INTO THE GAME I ended up having sex when I didn't want to.

[GuldiienDAO]

Atakuma wrote...

TW2 devs are a pretentious lot.

I'm not sure if thats the case. I would be a little worried if they were like "Our game is ok but Bioware is awesome". They take pride in their game, which is a good thing.

[The Bard From Hell]

I found funny how the fact that DA allows you to make good choices was criticized by the CD Projekt Red guy. Some people like making good choices, I feel awful (to the point of loading the save and feeling guilty) if I make a bad choice, and for me being forced between two bad choices ain't fun. And original world? Thedas is original, has it's tropes? Of course, all tales have tropes. This whole deal olny made me wish TW2 even less.

[GuldiienDAO]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

When the writing 1) railroads me into no-win choices and 2) strongly encourages me to bone every woman I meet, I have the right to call it immature. Literally TEN MINUTES INTO THE GAME I ended up having sex when I didn't want to.

I'm assuming you're talking about Triss. That encounter with her is entirely avoidable. I actually think all of the sex in the game is.

Modifié par GuldiienDAO, 11 février 2011 - 09:20 .

[HolyJellyfish]

I personally think it was very childish for the Witcher 2 team to call that crap out. Its immature and inappropriate, and proceed to use old images to compare with their renders. Many people play games not solely based on graphic output.

[John Epler]

Unbelievably, it's okay and acceptable to be a fan of both games! I worked on one and I will no doubt be purchasing the other, because hey - more RPGs is always a good thing.



Bring it back to the land of civility, folks.