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[ZerbanDaGreat1]

The thing is that Bioware actually lets you win sometimes. The closest they get to 'Witcher grimdark' is Orzammar, and even then Behlen is the clear 'better' choice since it ends the stagnation of dwarven culture. The Witcher is filled with 'trololol' moments where CDProjekt go 'Oh wait, you thought you did the right thing? Oops! Problem?'



Let's take a look at the biggest choice;



Side with an elf revolution movement: They're pretty much horrible people to the man and frequently engage in brutal tactics and terrorism.

Side with the knights: Congratulations! You help a racist, rapy group perform ethnic cleansing!

Screw 'em both: HAHA! You get to murder both sides! ALL OF THEM.



They say their decisions aren't black and white. They're right - they're black and black.

[grregg]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I personally think it was very childish for the Witcher 2 team to call that crap out. Its immature and inappropriate, and proceed to use old images to compare with their renders. Many people play games not solely based on graphic output.

I would point out that they were directly asked. Weren't they?

And somehow I think that the images were picked by PC Gamer.

[Count Viceroy]

JohnEpler wrote...

Unbelievably, it's okay and acceptable to be a fan of both games! I worked on one and I will no doubt be purchasing the other, because hey - more RPGs is always a good thing.

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I also played both, and I will play both of round 2 as well. But that does not prevent people having a favorite or arguing either product to be superior.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 09:24 .

[PsychoBlonde]

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.



Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

[John Epler]

Count Viceroy wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Unbelievably, it's okay and acceptable to be a fan of both games! I worked on one and I will no doubt be purchasing the other, because hey - more RPGs is always a good thing.

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I also played both, and I will play both of round 2 as well. But that does not prevent people having favorites or arguing either product to be superior.

It does become a problem when it causes people to act superior and descend to vitirol and personal attacks because the person they're talking with is on the 'other' side.

Have a favourite! That's cool! Just don't assume that it gives you a right to be a twit.

[Drowsy0106]

Played both Witcher and DAO and i personally preferred DAO. Time will tell about their sequels but as always, gameplay > graphics. Still CD Project has one thing going for them, no EA.

And yes, he should skipped that question.

Modifié par Drowsy0106, 11 février 2011 - 09:27 .

[AngelicMachinery]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.

Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

Would there be a special card, if you erm...   relieved a bit of your own tension?

[grregg]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

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They say their decisions aren't black and white. They're right - they're black and black.

I'd say that they are not black and black. They are real and real. And that's the strongest point of TW series. They offer choices and scenarios that I can believe. Dragon Age seems to shoot for more fantasy stuff. A dude shows up with 400 years old treaty and people actually listen to him. That's straight out of a fairy tale. In The Witcher, folks would probably just laugh at the warden...

A matter of personal taste, but I do like a good dose of reality in my fantasy.

[Count Viceroy]

JohnEpler wrote...

It does become a problem when it causes people to act superior and descend to vitirol and personal attacks because the person they're talking with is on the 'other' side.

Have a favourite! That's cool! Just don't assume that it gives you a right to be a twit.

I don't disagree, but this being the internet and all.

[dreamextractor]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.

Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

It's understandable that there is no optional female protagonist in the Witcher - Geralt is the protagonist in the Witcher books, which the game is based off of.

Not every game is going to have that male-female protagonist option. Some of them are going to have set protagonists, that will either be just male or female.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 11 février 2011 - 09:28 .

[Atakuma]

GuldiienDAO wrote...

I'm not sure if thats the case. I would be a little worried if they were like "Our game is ok but Bioware is awesome". They take pride in their game, which is a good thing.

The way they talk about the game you'd think it was supposed to be god's gift to gamers. A little humility would be welcome.

[slimgrin]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.

Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

You're serious? Unless you get to play your own gender, that game isn't with the times?

I'm a switch-hitter when it comes to games. Wouldn't dare restrict myself to one gender. Too boring.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 09:30 .

[PsychoBlonde]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.

Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

Would there be a special card, if you erm...   relieved a bit of your own tension?

I'd be more worried about having 30 cards showing hairy guy butt, if I *could* play as a female in Witcher 2.

[tez19]

I never played the witcher but by what people are saying it sounds like it is catered to the more immature audience.

[grregg]

Atakuma wrote...

GuldiienDAO wrote...

I'm not sure if thats the case. I would be a little worried if they were like "Our game is ok but Bioware is awesome". They take pride in their game, which is a good thing.

The way they talk about the game you'd think it was supposed to be god's gift to gamers. A little humility would be welcome.

That would be the best marketing coup ever!

CD Projekt: "Yeah, our upcoming game is.... okay... I guess."
PC Gamer: "Really?"
CD Projekt: "Yes, you do not actually suffer when you play... much... kind of"
PC Gamer: "That's interesting"
CD Project: "We can definitely say that our game is.... good-ish"

[AngelicMachinery]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.

Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

Would there be a special card, if you erm...   relieved a bit of your own tension?

I'd be more worried about having 30 cards showing hairy guy butt, if I *could* play as a female in Witcher 2.

Unlikely,  your character would more than likely be a lesbian.  Just saying.

[Braag]

I don't think Tomas Gop was calling out DA2. He just said they believe that their game looks better compared to other RPG titles coming out this year. Their graphics engine sure looks impressive so I don't see any problem with that. I don't think there's any reason to bash either game, if you didn't like DAO or TW1 that comes down to your own preference as a gamer since they are quite different type of RPGs. I'm fan of both games so I'll be picking up DA2 and TW2

Modifié par Braag, 11 février 2011 - 09:46 .

[GuldiienDAO]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

The thing is that Bioware actually lets you win sometimes. The closest they get to 'Witcher grimdark' is Orzammar, and even then Behlen is the clear 'better' choice since it ends the stagnation of dwarven culture. The Witcher is filled with 'trololol' moments where CDProjekt go 'Oh wait, you thought you did the right thing? Oops! Problem?'

Let's take a look at the biggest choice;

Side with an elf revolution movement: They're pretty much horrible people to the man and frequently engage in brutal tactics and terrorism.
Side with the knights: Congratulations! You help a racist, rapy group perform ethnic cleansing!
Screw 'em both: HAHA! You get to murder both sides! ALL OF THEM.

They say their decisions aren't black and white. They're right - they're black and black.

Its not black and black, its grey. The elves are treated like crap and oppressed. The knights want to wipe the other race out which doesn't make them any better. The nuetral path is just that, Geralt says that he doesn't want to get involved; to just let them fight it out which means a lot more people are hurt in the end.

The choice for Orzammer is similiar grey-type of choice. While Harrowmount is the the "good" choice he does not help the dwarven people in the end. Bhelen is the "bad" choice but help the dwarven people out.

[Atakuma]

grregg wrote...
That would be the best marketing coup ever!

CD Projekt: "Yeah, our upcoming game is.... okay... I guess."
PC Gamer: "Really?"
CD Projekt: "Yes, you do not actually suffer when you play... much... kind of"
PC Gamer: "That's interesting"
CD Project: "We can definitely say that our game is.... good-ish"

Not that much humility, just a little bit

[Stiler]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

The thing is that Bioware actually lets you win sometimes. The closest they get to 'Witcher grimdark' is Orzammar, and even then Behlen is the clear 'better' choice since it ends the stagnation of dwarven culture. The Witcher is filled with 'trololol' moments where CDProjekt go 'Oh wait, you thought you did the right thing? Oops! Problem?'

Let's take a look at the biggest choice;

Side with an elf revolution movement: They're pretty much horrible people to the man and frequently engage in brutal tactics and terrorism.
Side with the knights: Congratulations! You help a racist, rapy group perform ethnic cleansing!
Screw 'em both: HAHA! You get to murder both sides! ALL OF THEM.

They say their decisions aren't black and white. They're right - they're black and black.

A lot of the choices throughout the Witcher were meant to be moral ambitigious, not straight good, not straight bad. There were good and bad people within either one, same as in the real world.

A lot of choices in the Witcher I found to be surprising, it made things less "do I play as mr. Goody two shoes or mr. Evil? and more "Man, this is a tough choice..."

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I can't play a girl in The Witcher. Therefore Baldur's Gate is better than The Witcher.

Heck, freaking Original Flavor Pool of Radiance let me play as a girl. Get with the times, CDProjekt.

The Witcher is based on a book series, which follows a well defined character, Geralt, he's not a female.  Dragon Age isn't tied to this, as it's Bioware's own IP and thus you can determine which hawke you play, though it's limited compared to DA1 with races.


Apart from that, onto the topic, I do have to give the edge in graphics to The Witcher 2. However I enjoyed  both The Witcher 1 and DA:O greatly and found them both to be far and above your avg rpg's. I will be buying both sequels on release and enjoying them. Each has its own merits and faults, and both I'll be enjoying many months after they come out.

[Carfax]

Fergo87 wrote...

I'm not sure what level of political correctness is hampering Bioware? Care to explain with some examples of how CDR are more authentic and how BW isn't?

Perhaps one of the reasons why I find the Witcher to be more authentic is because it mirrors our own World so accurately.  Just one superficial example, many of the armors and weapons you find in the Witcher tend to be modeled straight from their actual historical counterparts (the Witcher 2 is a better example though)..  The religious and racial persecution, the vast gulf between the peasants and the nobles, the moral ambiguity, the political intrigue, and the diminished role of women are all good examples of what makes the World of the Witcher much more visceral and darker in tone than Dragon Age.

Thats not to say that Dragon Age doesn't tackle these subjects.  It does, just nowhere near the extent that the Witcher does.....and with much less veracity..

I guess historical accuracy is the deciding factor.  Thedas to me seems conjured from thin air, compared to the Witcher which seems to be modeled from our very own history.

Thats part of why George Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is seen as the ultimate dark fantasy.  It's because the book has a much more realistic approach to the fantasy genre than most other novels. 

[Avilia]

Good graphics do not a game good make.

A wise person said that...

(That's a general observation and not aimed at either DA2 or TW2 - both games will be fabulous and no doubt please their fans immensely).

Modifié par Avilia, 11 février 2011 - 09:36 .

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Now I agree that morally ambiguous choices are good. The problem is, what's the point? If all three lead to equally horrible events, why should I care?



And speaking of the Warden, in the Witcher universe he/she would just have to bust out their sword/magic and get to murdering dudes. That seems to impress most people.