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[PsychoBlonde]

dreamextractor wrote...

It's understandable that there is no optional female protagonist in the Witcher - Geralt is the protagonist in the Witcher books, which the game is based off of.

Not every game is going to have that male-female protagonist option. Some of them are going to have set protagonists, that will either be just male or female.

Rule 42, folks.  Sheesh.

There are a few games where you play a male protagonist that I like.  Gothic.  Risen.  Prince of Persia.  But by and large I prefer to customize my character.  And I'm certainly not interested in playing some kind of cross between Kratos and Leisure Suit Larry.  

[GuldiienDAO]

Hmmm, maybe Bioware and CDProjekt should co-create a game. That would make everyone happy. Or really angry....

[Saibh]

grregg wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You know what I don't get about the image they selected? I mean, yeah, DAII isn't as graphically excellent as TW2, but why pick an old image? DAII has a shorter dev cycle--graphics are altering drastically.

It's a conspiracy! The Witcher people are everywhere! Can't trust them, I say!

I'm saying that that image isn't really the best to pull out for DAII graphics.

This, to me, looks way better:



Why not use that image as comparison?

[slimgrin]

GuldiienDAO wrote...

Hmmm, maybe Bioware and CDProjekt should co-create a game. That would make everyone happy. Or really angry....

Like oil and water. As I stated before, their approaches to role playing are completely opposed.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 09:41 .

[GuldiienDAO]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Now I agree that morally ambiguous choices are good. The problem is, what's the point? If all three lead to equally horrible events, why should I care?

Ok, on the opposite side of the same coin if every choice has a clear good/bad then whats the fun in picking? You would know exactly the result from your choice. I think with the moral ambiguity there is a sense of not knowing how your choice is going to impact something else. There are similar choices in DA2 from what we've been hearing.

[mnomaha]

Avilia wrote...

Good graphics do not a game good make.

A wise person said that...

(That's a general observation and not aimed at either DA2 or TW2 - both games will be fabulous and no doubt please their fans immensely).

Agreed. I play an RPG for the story. The graphics is just an extra bonus. And both of these games *will* be great. Having said that, the wait for either of them may well kill me.

[Count Viceroy]

Saibh wrote...

Why not use that image as comparison?

To make their game look better of course.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 09:41 .

[tez19]

Saibh wrote...

grregg wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You know what I don't get about the image they selected? I mean, yeah, DAII isn't as graphically excellent as TW2, but why pick an old image? DAII has a shorter dev cycle--graphics are altering drastically.

It's a conspiracy! The Witcher people are everywhere! Can't trust them, I say!

I'm saying that that image isn't really the best to pull out for DAII graphics.

This, to me, looks way better:



Why not use that image as comparison?

Because the other image prooves their 'point' better. Which is no doubt what they want to do.

[dreamextractor]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

It's understandable that there is no optional female protagonist in the Witcher - Geralt is the protagonist in the Witcher books, which the game is based off of.

Not every game is going to have that male-female protagonist option. Some of them are going to have set protagonists, that will either be just male or female.

Rule 42, folks.  Sheesh.

There are a few games where you play a male protagonist that I like.  Gothic.  Risen.  Prince of Persia.  But by and large I prefer to customize my character.  And I'm certainly not interested in playing some kind of cross between Kratos and Leisure Suit Larry.  

You mean the rule where if it exists there's porn of it? I don't see how that applies.

[Count Viceroy]

dreamextractor wrote...

You mean the rule where if it exists there's porn of it? I don't see how that applies.

That would be 34


http://www.urbandict...hp?term=Rule 42

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 09:43 .

[tez19]

Sir Jools wrote...

tez19 wrote...

I never played the witcher but by what people are saying it sounds like it is catered to the more immature audience.

Maybe you should give it a go and see for yourself.

Not that ESRB (or the likes of) is a reliable parameter of a game's "maturity2, but both games are 18+ in most countries. I can't be even bothered to read all that's been said, but The Witcher is a
really good game, and if I was to draw direct comparison, the audience
it is aimed at is definitively more mature than DA:O's (mind you, the audience doesn't necessarily make a game good or bad either... I mean, Tetris is awesome, and yet it's 3+ or something like that).

Fair do's i am not a pc gamer at all though, i heard pretty solid rumours that the witcher 2 will be coming to consoles so i will pick it up if so, just worried i won't know where i am storywise.

[dreamextractor]

Count Viceroy wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

You mean the rule where if it exists there's porn of it? I don't see how that applies.

That would be 34


http://www.urbandict...hp?term=Rule 42

I stand corrected then. My bad, I keep forgetting that.

[grregg]

Saibh wrote...

grregg wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You know what I don't get about the image they selected? I mean, yeah, DAII isn't as graphically excellent as TW2, but why pick an old image? DAII has a shorter dev cycle--graphics are altering drastically.

It's a conspiracy! The Witcher people are everywhere! Can't trust them, I say!

I'm saying that that image isn't really the best to pull out for DAII graphics.

This, to me, looks way better:



Why not use that image as comparison?

It is proven! PC Gamer is infiltrated by CD Projekt! Even the images are picked to suit their CD Projekt controlled agenda!

Modifié par grregg, 11 février 2011 - 09:44 .

[Fergo87]

Carfax wrote...

Fergo87 wrote...

I'm not sure what level of political correctness is hampering Bioware? Care to explain with some examples of how CDR are more authentic and how BW isn't?

Perhaps one of the reasons why I find the Witcher to be more authentic is because it mirrors our own World so accurately.  Just one superficial example, many of the armors and weapons you find in the Witcher tend to be modeled straight from their actual historical counterparts (the Witcher 2 is a better example though)..  The religious and racial persecution, the vast gulf between the peasants and the nobles, the moral ambiguity, the political intrigue, and the diminished role of women are all good examples of what makes the World of the Witcher much more visceral and darker in tone than Dragon Age.

Thats not to say that Dragon Age doesn't tackle these subjects.  It does, just nowhere near the extent that the Witcher does.....and with much less veracity..

I guess historical accuracy is the deciding factor.  Thedas to me seems conjured from thin air, compared to the Witcher which seems to be modeled from our very own history.

Thats part of why George Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is seen as the ultimate dark fantasy.  It's because the book has a much more realistic approach to the fantasy genre than most other novels. 

I can respect that and I'm glad you gave me some good examples since I couldn't bring myself to play through The Witcher (and this was a while ago). It helps me understand the other side of the coin so to speak. 

I don't think it's entirely fair to put a book series based world that's had plenty of time to mature etc on the same level as Dragon Age's universe. Had the two come from similar backgrounds with regards to dev time/background lore etc then I'd be more inclined to judge them equally. It's kind of like comparing Tom Brady or Peyton Manning to Sam Bradford. They're all clearly very good players, but Bradford has nowhere near the body of work that the former two do. But I'm not dismissing your reasons for preferring The Witcher's fantasy, it's your choice and I'm glad you enjoy the game. I'm more into the Dragon Age setting, but that's me. I prefer things to be a little more out there and slightly further from reality. Hence why I really enjoy Final Fantasy, Games-Workshop products etc.

Modifié par Fergo87, 11 février 2011 - 09:50 .

[Saibh]

grregg wrote...

It is proven! PC Gamer is infiltrated by CD Projekt! Even the images are picked to suit their CD Projekt controlled agenda!

Who is saying that? I'm not.

Stop being obnoxious.

[PsychoBlonde]

Count Viceroy wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

You mean the rule where if it exists there's porn of it? I don't see how that applies.

That would be 34


http://www.urbandict...hp?term=Rule 42

Crap!  Number typo!

[maxernst]

Fergo87 wrote...



I guess historical accuracy is the deciding factor.  Thedas to me seems conjured from thin air, compared to the Witcher which seems to be modeled from our very own history.
. 

Huh?  I find it a lot easier to place Thedas in our historical framework than the Witcher.  People perform autopsies, have knowledge of mutation, talk about psychobabble in a world with pre-Industrial technology.  Thedas is pretty clearly an alternate England ca. the 13th century.  The Witcher doesn't remind me of any particular time or place.

Modifié par maxernst, 11 février 2011 - 09:47 .

[grregg]

Saibh wrote...

grregg wrote...

It is proven! PC Gamer is infiltrated by CD Projekt! Even the images are picked to suit their CD Projekt controlled agenda!

Who is saying that? I'm not.

Stop being obnoxious.

I am saying it. Wasn't that clear?

Apologies for overdoing it, I was merely pointing out that several times in this thread CD Projekt guys are blamed for something that I think is PC Gamer stuff. :innocent:

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

GuldiienDAO wrote...

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Now I agree that morally ambiguous choices are good. The problem is, what's the point? If all three lead to equally horrible events, why should I care?

Ok, on the opposite side of the same coin if every choice has a clear good/bad then whats the fun in picking? You would know exactly the result from your choice. I think with the moral ambiguity there is a sense of not knowing how your choice is going to impact something else. There are similar choices in DA2 from what we've been hearing.

Now I agree in part with that. Black-and-white choices are no better. My main problem is a no-win situation. If choices are morally ambiguous, fine. Just give me one that let's me make things better, at least in some small way. It's not entirely the ambiguity that annoys me, but how all the choices are essentially 'something horrible happens to someone'. 

So sure. I'll be fine if I try to do the right thing in DA2 and end up accidentally causing a genocide. Just let me play through again and avoid that genocide!

[Saibh]

grregg wrote...

I am saying it. Wasn't that clear?

Apologies for overdoing it, I was merely pointing out that several times in this thread CD Projekt guys are blamed for something that I think is PC Gamer stuff. :innocent:

Yes, but I never implied that had anything to do with CDProjekt. It's certainly a TW2 bias, but I don't think they make and write the articles for their interviews.

Hell, I even admitted TW2 has better graphics than DAII.

[Carfax]

Fergo87 wrote...

I'm more into the Dragon Age setting, but that's me. I prefer things to be a little more out there and slightly further from reality. Hence why I really enjoy Final Fantasy, Games-Workshop products etc.

Yep, both games will certainly be great.  I've already got my DA2 Signature edition on preorder

[Fergo87]

maxernst wrote...

Fergo87 wrote...



I guess historical accuracy is the deciding factor.  Thedas to me seems conjured from thin air, compared to the Witcher which seems to be modeled from our very own history.
. 

Huh?  I find it a lot easier to place Thedas in our historical framework than the Witcher.  People perform autopsies, have knowledge of mutation, talk about psychobabble in a world with pre-Industrial technology.  Thedas is pretty clearly an alternate England ca. the 13th century.  The Witcher doesn't remind me of any particular time or place.

I think you mistagged the quote there. I appreciate both sides, I think the Witcher certainly (from what I'm hearing) accurately portrays a lot of modern/historical issues in its lore/story. Meanwhile, Dragon Age I does seem to hold to a specific time and place, bar the Dragons etc. We all know that Dragons are buried under Central London waiting to be unleashed by some unwitting construction workers who will doom most of the world.

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

I'd say realism has less to do with the setting and more with the actions of the characters. A setting like Dragon Age can still be realistic if people act like real people would. It would be unrealistic if the cast had more rapists that the Millennium Trilogy.