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[TransientNomad]

I thought The Witcher was an okay game, having playing the enhanced version only. I found the base storyline to be very good, the graphics were great, and Gerault was a straight up badass.



However, the combat was completely boring. I could see what they tried to do was have the player invest more time in preparing for battle, but when the battle finally came it was underwhelming. While Gerault was very interesting, not one other character was memorable, nevermind developed in any meaningful way. I also found the ability to pretty much "sleep" with 18+ women (who were rarely depicted as anything more than sex objects) throughout the course of the game as a major turn-off, add in the fact you collect "Sex Cards" and it passes the realm of tasteless and enters the realm pure childish.



All in all I liked The Witcher, but after hearing that Dev bash Bioware (despite using Bioware's system for their first game) and claim that The Witcher influenced Bioware's latest games, I don't think I will be buying The Witcher 2. Not that I don't want it, but I know should I play it, I will just remember their out and out lies concerning their "Influence" over Bioware and lose interest. Perhaps I will buy it used simply so CD Projeckt would not get my money. A meaningless gesture? Maybe. But I will not support any company that baselessly slanders another company.



Some would remember what Mr. Zeschuk's statements concerning JRPG's "lack of evolution" citing their fall. While some can take what he said as "bashing" but you must take three things into consideration.



1) Mr. Zeschuk states that their are exceptions, admitting that Demon Souls is one of his favorite games.



2) Mr. Zeschuk is simply echoing what MANY developers in japan have been saying far before he did.



3) Square-Enix's profits have plummeted in the last several years. In fact, there projected profit for this year is over 90% less than previous years.

[TheCreeper]

Why should we care what a Rival Developer thinks about this game?

[ekkaja.marta]

Although I love the Witcher books, I never personally was in fond of Gerald as a character. What I like most is the world full of shades of grey and that there are no good or bad choices. And in game they captured this atmosphere very well.

But I think I'm not the only one who likes to play my own gender in rpgs, it is something essential for me to fully immerse into the rpg game story. That being a case, Witcher will never be as enjoyable as Bioware games are. And I will only perceive Witcher as an interesting expansion to books, but nothing like the experience I get from Bioware games.

[grregg]

Saibh wrote...

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Yes, but I never implied that had anything to do with CDProjekt. It's certainly a TW2 bias, but I don't think they make and write the articles for their interviews.

Hell, I even admitted TW2 has better graphics than DAII.

No, I shamelessly hijacked your post to reply to several other people commenting on how the images were chosen specifically to make TW2 look better. Which I presume would be instigated by CD Projekt.

What can I say? I have no morals. Probably from playing The Witcher too much.

[GuldiienDAO]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Now I agree in part with that. Black-and-white choices are no better. My main problem is a no-win situation. If choices are morally ambiguous, fine. Just give me one that let's me make things better, at least in some small way. It's not entirely the ambiguity that annoys me, but how all the choices are essentially 'something horrible happens to someone'. 

So sure. I'll be fine if I try to do the right thing in DA2 and end up accidentally causing a genocide. Just let me play through again and avoid that genocide!

Ah ok, I see what you're saying. If all the choices are no-win, I would get annoyed too.

Modifié par GuldiienDAO, 11 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[Fergo87]

Carfax wrote...

Fergo87 wrote...

I'm more into the Dragon Age setting, but that's me. I prefer things to be a little more out there and slightly further from reality. Hence why I really enjoy Final Fantasy, Games-Workshop products etc.

Yep, both games will certainly be great.  I've already got my DA2 Signature edition on preorder

Being Australian I'm getting my SE a couple of items lighter. But hey, once I'm done with my gaming backlog (trying to clear my games from last year that I didn't finish before buying too many this year) I'm thinking of giving The Witcher another go so I can hopefully try TW2. I think more than anything it was the mechanics of the game, I'm just not into that kind of gameplay when it comes to RPGs. I might be better off reading the books and such. Thanks for getting me interested in finding out more.

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Maybe it's just my personal taste, but another thing the Witcher seriously failed at was romance. Putting aside the random sex you can have, there are two serious romances. Only one can POSSIBLY survive the game. And that one has a cleavage you can lose a dog in and displays it more than Miranda. And you have sex with her at the end of the tutorial.



In fact, the biggest point in the Witcher 2's favour was when I saw Triss' new, less boob-y costume.

[Count Viceroy]

ekkaja.marta wrote...

Although I love the Witcher books, I never personally was in fond of Gerald as a character. 

Geralt doesn't have character. A brick wall is more interesting. The oooh I have amnesia but I'm too cool to be even remotely bothered about it didn't help either.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[Drasill]

As someone who greatly enjoyed both games I am most definitely looking forward to TW2 more. I'm not sure how anyone can argue with his points. Preference of art style is subjective but the technical level of the games is not. TW2 clearly has the edge in this area. Going by the first two games in each serious DAO did have a much more generic fantasy world in comparison to TW, and TW did moral choices better than any other game whereas DAO was much more black and white. I will say that DAO's choices weren't as black and white as past BioWare games like ME and KOTOR, but there were still pretty obvious. I remember taking a week off from playing TW because I couldn't decide if I should side with the Order or the Scoi'atel.

[Carfax]

maxernst wrote...

Huh?  I find it a lot easier to place Thedas in our historical framework than the Witcher.  People perform autopsies, have knowledge of mutation, talk about psychobabble in a world with pre-Industrial technology.  Thedas is pretty clearly an alternate England ca. the 13th century.  The Witcher doesn't remind me of any particular time or place.

Mutation, potions etc in the Witcher seems to based on the principles of alchemy, which was once taught and practiced throughout the entire World from China to Europe..  Also, you'd be surprised at the kind of knowledge that Ancient Civilizations had concerning the human body..  What we would now consider fairly advanced medical procedures were performed by doctors, with the use of natural anesthetics and sedatives.

[Face of Evil]

Ugh, another salvo fired in the pointless war between DA and Witcher fans. Why do the latter always feel the need to rag on the former?

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Carfax wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Huh?  I find it a lot easier to place Thedas in our historical framework than the Witcher.  People perform autopsies, have knowledge of mutation, talk about psychobabble in a world with pre-Industrial technology.  Thedas is pretty clearly an alternate England ca. the 13th century.  The Witcher doesn't remind me of any particular time or place.

Mutation, potions etc in the Witcher seems to based on the principles of alchemy, which was once taught and practiced throughout the entire World from China to Europe..  Also, you'd be surprised at the kind of knowledge that Ancient Civilizations had concerning the human body..  What we would now consider fairly advanced medical procedures were performed by doctors, with the use of natural anesthetics and sedatives.

Though I'm not sure why Geralt calls a crimefighting werewolf a 'superhero'.

[Pritos]

The Witcher 2 can be the most perfect game ever, but the fact is it won't get near as DA2's sale numbers... In the end, Bioware wins.

[Fergo87]

Drasill wrote...

As someone who greatly enjoyed both games I am most definitely looking forward to TW2 more. I'm not sure how anyone can argue with his points. Preference of art style is subjective but the technical level of the games is not. TW2 clearly has the edge in this area. Going by the first two games in each serious DAO did have a much more generic fantasy world in comparison to TW, and TW did moral choices better than any other game whereas DAO was much more black and white. I will say that DAO's choices weren't as black and white as past BioWare games like ME and KOTOR, but there were still pretty obvious. I remember taking a week off from playing TW because I couldn't decide if I should side with the Order or the Scoi'atel.

I'll give you that DA:O does allow you to play the prototypical hero or villain, but I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing. A lot of people want to play that way so I think it's fine to shoot for that. That said, you can find huge areas of grey without being pushed into them like it seems the Witcher did. I'm not bashing that though, I think that it's cool that it puts people out of their comfort zones etc. Different games but I think they're both going to be very good in their own ways and people will likely enjoy both or find one that they love. 

[Count Viceroy]

scyphozoa wrote...

I said it yesterday when this was discussed, I don't really care about the substance of the comments, but it just seems to be in poor taste to promote yourself at the expense of others. Specifically when you make dismissive remarks and don't substantiate your claims, you just sort of hum on to the next comment.

I just think it's rich coming from a developer who Bioware helped put on the map in the first place with the aurora engine.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 février 2011 - 10:06 .

[Carfax]

Fergo87 wrote...

I'll give you that DA:O does allow you to play the prototypical hero or villain, but I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing. A lot of people want to play that way so I think it's fine to shoot for that. That said, you can find huge areas of grey without being pushed into them like it seems the Witcher did. I'm not bashing that though, I think that it's cool that it puts people out of their comfort zones etc. Different games but I think they're both going to be very good in their own ways and people will likely enjoy both or find one that they love. 

There is a point in the Witcher where the game forces you to choose between supporting various factions, the Scoiata'el and the Order of the Flaming Rose..  The moral ambiguity involved in deciding is so intense, that it took me about a week to decide......seriously!

[Fergo87]

Pritos wrote...

The Witcher 2 can be the most perfect game ever, but the fact is it won't get near as DA2's sale numbers... In the end, Bioware wins.

I don't really agree. I think that both games can "win". If you judge them on sales alone, sure, DAII might "win". I think if both games come out and are as good as they hopefully can be then everyone wins, including the consumers. I think TW2 will have reasonably good numbers, certainly enough to justify making the game (bar calimities). 

[Skilled Seeker]

Well the Witcher is PC exclusive. Thats always a plus in my book. Also CD projekt's post release support is far greater than that of Bioware.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 11 février 2011 - 10:13 .

[grregg]

Carfax wrote...

Fergo87 wrote...

I'll give you that DA:O does allow you to play the prototypical hero or villain, but I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing. A lot of people want to play that way so I think it's fine to shoot for that. That said, you can find huge areas of grey without being pushed into them like it seems the Witcher did. I'm not bashing that though, I think that it's cool that it puts people out of their comfort zones etc. Different games but I think they're both going to be very good in their own ways and people will likely enjoy both or find one that they love. 

There is a point in the Witcher where the game forces you to choose between supporting various factions, the Scoiata'el and the Order of the Flaming Rose..  The moral ambiguity involved in deciding is so intense, that it took me about a week to decide......seriously!

I think Fergo87 is saying that not everyone likes that. Some people prefer to play a heroic kind of a hero and then The Witcher becomes a pain in the neck. If you like to ride into town and save everyone, then TW1 is just pointless.

[Mordechaisiz]

Sir Jools...I think its the second one.

Age=Maturity...To a degree...Certain things develop..

Obviously sometimes the brain becomes the least developed of the organs when some people come arrive at 18 years of age. Key word SOME** Dont start quoting me and bein like WHATEVER U SAY DUDE IM SMART, and no jokes about how hung you are.

[slimgrin]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I just think it's rich coming from a developer who Bioware helped put on the map in the first place with the aurora engine.

Ha! Bioware didn't help put them on the map. CD red transformed that engine so much it's nearly unreconizable. And he is stating a fact. TW2 does indeed look better. Why does this throw people into fits? So it looks better. Lets move on.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 février 2011 - 10:17 .

[Fergo87]

Carfax wrote...

Fergo87 wrote...

I'll give you that DA:O does allow you to play the prototypical hero or villain, but I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing. A lot of people want to play that way so I think it's fine to shoot for that. That said, you can find huge areas of grey without being pushed into them like it seems the Witcher did. I'm not bashing that though, I think that it's cool that it puts people out of their comfort zones etc. Different games but I think they're both going to be very good in their own ways and people will likely enjoy both or find one that they love. 

There is a point in the Witcher where the game forces you to choose between supporting various factions, the Scoiata'el and the Order of the Flaming Rose..  The moral ambiguity involved in deciding is so intense, that it took me about a week to decide......seriously!

I guess I'll draw upon my Fallout: New Vegas experience then to put The Witcher into context for me. About 3/4 of the way through I'd boxed myself into the "grey" areas of that game through my choices and ended up having to agonise for quite a while over how to proceed given that I only had options left that would end up making me screw some people over who I didn't necessarily want to, but had to in the end to get what I ultimately wanted out of the story. It didn't take me a week, but it certainly stopped me in my tracks for quite some time.