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[Vylan Antagonist]

Take it with a grain of salt or an entire shaker, but Evil Avatar is the first to go on the record as saying there will be no pre-loading for anyone other than EA and D2D UK. The correspondent further speculates that this was a calculated decision to provide an advantage to EA's download service over the other competitors.

As someone who cancelled his Amazon Collector's Edition pre-order to grab it on Steam, I'm really hoping that this was just an attempt to shake some information out of the tree.

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

[JamesX]

Lets hope it is not accurate information.

[akcorr]

That sucks! Hope their networks and servers can handle it!

[AstroCat]

Wow that is going to really suck. This will take days to download when all the servers are completely overwhelmed. ugh!

[Lord Clocks]

I wouldnt be surprised if this is correct.

For some types of content, it is VERY difficult to securely be able to preload content to a widespread distribution network in time for it to be effective to note wait for the release time.

E.g. The data may be on the servers 24 hours ahead of time but they might be testing and verifying global endpoint availability so they wouldnt be willing to risk releasing it for preload only to find out that downloads in XYZ place are corrupted.

Day 1, expect slow downloads

Modifié par Lord Clocks, 27 octobre 2009 - 07:44 .

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

The main issue with no pre-loading is that this is a BIG game. 15 gigabytes, even on a decent connection in the USA is going to take several hours. With some digital services not releasing the game until noon on the 3rd, some of us might not get to play until that night or the next day, depending on our connection and the server resources available at launch.

[lionsfan208]

Yea there was another post on here from someone that had only ordered the D2D version becasue it said on their site that you could preload and then when he had paid it said there was no preload.

[Archonic]

I'm in the same boat, having cancelled my Amazon order to snatch up the Steam DDE version.

I have a feeling that Steam will pull through with a Pre-load. Failing that, the only games I will support that EA publishes will likely be Bioware games. Every time I think EA's turned a new leaf, they start playing the Imperial March again.

Modifié par Archonic, 27 octobre 2009 - 07:50 .

[Lord Clocks]

If I may point out? You may be taking that extra hour or few to get the game the first time, but in return you are going to definitely get your DLC/premiums (unlike gamestop where you only get one first-come-first-serve and hope that they are giving them out honestly). AND with steam at least the product should be available for redownload probably longer than you will play the game



I love that feature. Backup local game files and restore them. Image my machine and then re-download via steam. Nice. I cant "lose the CD".

[Vylan Antagonist]

I suspect it will take more than an additional hour or few if it's true.



In the grander scheme of things, it's true that an additional day or two of waiting shouldn't really register as a problem. That's rational. Emotionally, however, when I know the game is out and others are playing it happily while I'm experiencing 'Server Unavailable' messages and connection resets for hours (or days), I will be extremely sour about the whole experience, possibly enough to put me off of digital downloads for quite some time to come. They are already not resellable, so they essentially 'cost more' as a result of not being able to be sold down the line, they lack the physical goodies of the hard copy boxes, and they seem to also occasionally present problems for modding and patching.



If it's still more efficient to press, box, and distribute DVDs than it is to make a game available for electronic purchase, then why should I bother, really? Not to mention, in the scenario you described, as long as I'm good about holding onto my DVD, I needn't download it again after re-imaging my PC.

[dyledge]

Just in case people didn't read the whole comment chain on Evil Avatar:
This info was posted to hopefully pressure EA into some sort of disclosure on preloading via D2D, Steam or Impulse. Msg #23 here.

[Naelven]

If this is true, I believe my hatred for EA might be pushed into pure unadulterated rage.

[Bacon_00]

Ugghhh I hope not. I like Steam but I don't like it enough to be happy with waiting a couple of days to finish the download.



I shoulda just waited and ordered it over Amazon. Grrrrrrr....

[briskojr]

Thanks EA for putting greed before your customers.

[Lord Clocks]

briskojr wrote...

Thanks EA for putting greed before your customers.

How in the hell is this related to greed?  You think they WANT to ****** you off by not being able to make sure you can preload the game?!

You have to download the application one way or another anyway, what possible financial motivation could they have over you downloading it today versus next tuesday?

Idiot.

Id be VERY surprised if the problem was anything other than size / distribution server / security related based on the gigantic footprint of this game and its assets and the various networks.

[Ailith Tycane]

Lord Clocks wrote...

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I know this is entirely unrelated, but when I read your first post I didn't catch that there was an "L" in your name, and I almost did a spit take all over my keyboard.

[Brother Jayne]

Um, the fact that the EA d2d is the only preload sez YES greed is a big fat issue.

[Ailith Tycane]

Brother Jayne wrote...

Um, the fact that the EA d2d is the only preload sez YES greed is a big fat issue.

It's not greed, they're running a business. They obviously want the most profit from their product, not someone else. Wouldnt you?

[Lord Clocks]

Brother Jayne wrote...

Um, the fact that the EA d2d is the only preload sez YES greed is a big fat issue.

Has it occured to you that the reason that works is that EA *already* has had the content (as the publisher) since GM?

Thus, they dont have to transfer, and hash-validate 15GB of content cross-network and then transfer and hash-validate immediately to X number of distribution servers globally. They have had weeks to tackle the issues that Steam and the other digital distributors are just now trying to catch up on?

Modifié par Lord Clocks, 27 octobre 2009 - 09:15 .

[Vylan Antagonist]

Lord Clocks wrote...

How in the hell is this related to greed?  You think they WANT to ****** you off by not being able to make sure you can preload the game?!

You have to download the application one way or another anyway, what possible financial motivation could they have over you downloading it today versus next tuesday?

Idiot.

Granted, it's speculation, but Evil Avatar attributes the decision to EA's desire to make their digital delivery service more appealing than that of their 'competitors'.

It's also worth reiterating that the entire story may be an assumption. I don't know, but then again, I have also heard no rebuttals from any authoritative sources.

Either way, it is slightly unusual to have a digital delivery service that is in 'competition' with your retailers. The dichotomy traditionally has been between brick and mortar and the publisher's site, but increasingly it is also playing out across digital delivery portals. Generally publishers seem to be careful not to undercut their retail channel partners, lest those partners stop stocking their goods, but that doesn't mean they don't use other 'soft' inducements. Maybe EA decided preloading qualifies?

Either way, it probably doesn't rate calling anyone an idiot. I hope the story is false, frankly.

[MrGOH]

Lord Clocks wrote...

briskojr wrote...

Thanks EA for putting greed before your customers.

How in the hell is this related to greed?  You think they WANT to ****** you off by not being able to make sure you can preload the game?!

You have to download the application one way or another anyway, what possible financial motivation could they have over you downloading it today versus next tuesday?

Idiot.

Id be VERY surprised if the problem was anything other than size / distribution server / security related based on the gigantic footprint of this game and its assets and the various networks.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the issue, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it's (perhaps additionally) related to contractual agreements with retail distributors and/or various digital distributors' conditions for allowing pre-load. I mean, I appreciate the difficulty in getting pre-load up and running, but I also wonder how it could take exactly the same amount of time as the gap between going gold and the street date

[stevej713]

Lord Clocks wrote...

briskojr wrote...

Thanks EA for putting greed before your customers.

How in the hell is this related to greed?  You think they WANT to ****** you off by not being able to make sure you can preload the game?!

You have to download the application one way or another anyway, what possible financial motivation could they have over you downloading it today versus next tuesday?

Idiot.

Id be VERY surprised if the problem was anything other than size / distribution server / security related based on the gigantic footprint of this game and its assets and the various networks.

Dude, keep the insults out of the thread.  Seriously, take a deep breath.

[Bacon_00]

Not sure where you guys heard that the EA store is pre-loading. Their website doesn't advertise it. The UK website does, but so does D2D UK. EA Store US and D2D US both mention nothing about pre-load.

BioWare really needs to make separate forums for Europeans and North Americans =( It gets really confusing trying to discuss all this stuff when everybody is using different websites.

Modifié par Bacon_00, 27 octobre 2009 - 09:17 .

[Blips]

90% Chance there will be no preload.