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[briskojr]

Lord Clocks wrote...

briskojr wrote...

Thanks EA for putting greed before your customers.

How in the hell is this related to greed?  You think they WANT to ****** you off by not being able to make sure you can preload the game?!

You have to download the application one way or another anyway, what possible financial motivation could they have over you downloading it today versus next tuesday?

Idiot.

Id be VERY surprised if the problem was anything other than size / distribution server / security related based on the gigantic footprint of this game and its assets and the various networks.

Someone else already replied to this and said what I would've.. Anyways, yeah it's greedy to eliminate the competition selling your game by not allowing them to offer a pre-load (if the story is true). Why you should be so offended me calling EA greedy to call me an idiot I have no idea. Aspergers?

[Neveryield]

I'd be tremendously upset if this turned out to be true - and, let's face it, it most likely is - but as long as i get one solid day of playtime in before my work-week starts again, i'm fine. I'm not much for principles.

[Lord Clocks]

Bacon_00 wrote...

Not sure where you guys heard that the EA store is pre-loading. Their website doesn't advertise it. The UK website does, but so does D2D UK. EA Store US and D2D US both mention nothing about pre-load.

BioWare really needs to make separate forums for Europeans and North Americans =( It gets really confusing trying to discuss all this stuff when everybody is using different websites.

Note that although D2D UK is confirmed to be offering preload... you are not getting the actual product until the 6th!

* This provided extra time to preload.
* The gamers are getting no advantage of any kind by this preload as the release date is behind the other global releases.

[Bacon_00]

EA hasn't really had the content for weeks. The game just went gold recently. As far as I know, you can't start putting up content onto the network until you actually have the content, which even EA wouldn't until the game went gold.

[PhogoX]

If this turns out to be true. Make sure all complaints go to Electronic Arts.

[Lord Clocks]

ChookAttack wrote...

Has it occured to you that other publishers are able to work with the many distribution networks to accomodate preloading?  Are you saying that EA is incompetent?

Not at all.  Show me a single 16GB game which has ever been preloaded by third party distribution networks.

Go ahead.  Any service.  Ever.

Good luck.

Size makes a difference here when transiting to multi-node distribution networks under already reasonable demand.

Bacon makes a really excellent point as well.  Gold just happened a few days ago.  Even EA's own Europe pre-load isnt ready yet.  Its not scheduled to be ready until the rest of the world is already released.  EA's OWN preload is not going to be ready before product day!

Hmm, must be greed.  Clearly they are self dealing when they arent getting the game setup for preload before everyone else can download it for real.

Modifié par Lord Clocks, 27 octobre 2009 - 09:30 .

[Ailith Tycane]

Has it occured to anyone that EA maybe doesnt want anyone else to distribute it D2D? They want more bang for their buck probabaly, and as a company you shouldnt really begrudge them that. They want as much money for their product as possible, thats why they're doing all of this "free DLC if you buy it new" stuff, to cut down on used game sales and make more money.

[Lord Clocks]

Ailith430 wrote...

Has it occured to anyone that EA maybe doesnt want anyone else to distribute it D2D? They want more bang for their buck probabaly, and as a company you shouldnt really begrudge them that. They want as much money for their product as possible, thats why they're doing all of this "free DLC if you buy it new" stuff, to cut down on used game sales and make more money.

Actually both developer and publisher make more $ per copy via DD networks.  Right now, the way that steam is setup you are paying for bandwidth so you arent really saving a whole heck of a lot over what it would cost you to box and ship the software BUT you are making slightly more per copy AND establishing a residual revenue stream because the game is available in the digital channel well after the retail locations have reclaimed the shelf space.

[The Harmonizer]

Even the danish (very small country) ea store offer pre-load now.



i dont know why people start analyzing this as EA not being able to deliver download to all at release, it might just be an extra service....so quit ****ing about stuff you dont know for true yet...geez

[Ailith Tycane]

Lord Clocks wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Has it occured to anyone that EA maybe doesnt want anyone else to distribute it D2D? They want more bang for their buck probabaly, and as a company you shouldnt really begrudge them that. They want as much money for their product as possible, thats why they're doing all of this "free DLC if you buy it new" stuff, to cut down on used game sales and make more money.

Actually both developer and publisher make more $ per copy via DD networks.  Right now, the way that steam is setup you are paying for bandwidth so you arent really saving a whole heck of a lot over what it would cost you to box and ship the software BUT you are making slightly more per copy AND establishing a residual revenue stream because the game is available in the digital channel well after the retail locations have reclaimed the shelf space.

Maybe EA just hates VaLVE then? Haha.

[Lord Clocks]

The Harmonizer wrote...

Even the danish (very small country) ea store offer pre-load now.

i dont know why people start analyzing this as EA not being able to deliver download to all at release, it might just be an extra service....so quit ****ing about stuff you dont know for true yet...geez

Just so you know, the distribution point for Denmark versus UK is setup pretty much the same.  The actual DP is in Amsterdam and London.  Pretty much most of europe will see the preload on the 2nd/3rd and release on the 6th.

But good point

[Lord Clocks]

Ailith430 wrote...
Maybe EA just hates VaLVE then? Haha.

I really do think that its just timeframe vs game size here.  Even EA wont be ready until next week with the global preloads. 

Who knows, Steam may still come forward with a couple days ahead of time preload but I wouldnt expect it.

[Guy4142]

I don't see the issue, you must of all expected this was a possibility? You do still realize your all going to be playing before the UK anyway, and getting all the bonus items you expect. Your complaining now becuse you might have to wait longer? Or your complaining becuse the UK got a preload? We still have to wait longer than everyone else, and we still have to wait even longer for the PS3 version, we also have postal strikes meaning alot of people who are relying on the royal mail are very likely to wait even longer.



Even with a pre-load on just one extra site the UK is still being screwed over by EA, so stop your whining it's really not justified.

[Naelven]

Ailith430 wrote...

Has it occured to anyone that EA maybe doesnt want anyone else to distribute it D2D? They want more bang for their buck probabaly, and as a company you shouldnt really begrudge them that. They want as much money for their product as possible, thats why they're doing all of this "free DLC if you buy it new" stuff, to cut down on used game sales and make more money.

That doesn't make any damn sense.  Any vendor that offers their product in a digital download is eliminating shipping and overhead costs on EA's end.  They should be supporting them, not competing with them.  They don't lose any money when one of the digital distributors sells their products.  If anything they save money.

[Murphys_Law]

Guy4142 wrote...

I don't see the issue, you must of all expected this was a possibility? You do still realize your all going to be playing before the UK anyway, and getting all the bonus items you expect. Your complaining now becuse you might have to wait longer? Or your complaining becuse the UK got a preload? We still have to wait longer than everyone else, and we still have to wait even longer for the PS3 version, we also have postal strikes meaning alot of people who are relying on the royal mail are very likely to wait even longer.

Even with a pre-load on just one extra site the UK is still being screwed over by EA, so stop your whining it's really not justified.

The issue is we are actually giving EA MORE MONEY by ordering digitially and if there is no preorder we are not getting the same experience as just picking up a box at a store.  Without preorder it is going to be very difficult to play the game on the day it releases, which everyone who buys retail will get.  Frankly, the lack of Digitial Download support and knowledge is patehetic (across the board) compared to the enormous gains and potential this distribution service has.  It makes vastly more sense in getting the perload out as soon as possible due to the size of the game and the amount of people wanting to get it.  Sorry, "we didn't have enough time" is not really a good excuse because it means they poorly managed getting everything together and lets face it Dragon Age Origins has been virtually done for the PC for awhile now.  I know there are many issues and problems to be sorted out, but let's not give them a free pass.  I am tired of Digitial Downloads being treated as a secondary distrubution service when in fact they end up making MORE MONEY from it.

If the rumor is true that EA is withholding preloads on purpose than that of course should be a concern for everyone.  Justifying it by using throw away lines like "companies are supposed to make profits" is a really bad argument.  Last I checked, pissing off customers so you can make a few extra bucks in the short term has rarely been a good practice and I don't think EA is in the gaming business for the short term.  Nor do they really need any extra negative attention in the gaming world.  However, I doubt that rumor is true since D2D is allowing preloads in Europe and there has been no official word yet.  Frankly, I just want an official word at this point so this whole mess can be cleared up since we are only a week away.

[doriscrockford]

@Murphys_Law:

Word. It seems like good business practice to give us a yea or nay this close to the release date. Obviously, I'm talking about EA here--I don't think Bioware has much of a say either in distribution or announcements regarding it, sadly. If so, I'm sure we would have a straight answer by now.



I think one or two scenarios likely: either EA's scrambling to get the technical issues worked out and don't want to give a definite answer until they're certain they CAN preload, or they know there won't be preloading but they don't want to shaft the digital distributors--if they announced no preloading, many of us (including me and my POS internet connection) will cancel our digital downloads and go to the stores next Tuesday as we know how bad the bottleneck will be. Either way, it's not very considerate for the consumer and I'm planning on doing as little business with EA as possible--and I'm most certainly not spending any dough on their DLC.

[Maiverick]

Umm il only be able to start the downloading at 5pm lol anyone have a clue how long it coud take to download a day? coz i took the friday of next week off so i coud enjoy the game and well if it's still downloading then ****...wat a waste of a vacation day

[Nazo]

It looks like the Evil Avatar person just based this on 'well, it's a week away, no preload announced, must mean no preload'. Which while isn't a bad guess, isn't actual fact.



Sadly, most non-Valve games (barring a few, often ones that got heavily tied to Steam, like Empire Total War) don't get preload. Most. We can still hope.

[MrGOH]

ChookAttack wrote...

Lord Clocks wrote...

Not at all.  Show me a single 16GB game which has ever been preloaded by third party distribution networks.

Go ahead.  Any service.  Ever.

Good luck.

Empire: Total War.  Okay, it was 15 gig, not 16, but it was available on steam for preload.

It was supposed to be, then it suddenly wasn't. I remember. I was there.