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[Dan_cw]

I watched it, yes. I'm as guilty as everyone else when it comes to browsing (though I wonder why at times) and finding every bit of information I can. So, I couldn't help myself.

Gotta say as well that the outfit didn't really seem a hindrance in the cinematic/cutscene. It's also clear there's more to her character than just 'BOOBS!' because it's obvious she has lines she won't cross from a moral viewpoint.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 12 février 2011 - 07:54 .

[AlanC9]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
And perhaps if there were, Gymnastics would be a much more popular sport.

You limit yourself.  They offer many more things to objectify them over than simple breast size.

Musculature.  Fitness.

Flexibility.

Did anyone else think of a certain Seinfeld episode?

[ZerbanDaGreat1]

Dragon Age has been pretty good about the sexualization of women, actually. Except for Dalish Armour in Origins. I burst out laughing upon giving that to Leliana and seeing about a foot of midriff.



FemHawke, however, is a step in the right direction. Her outfits seem about as revealing as a man's, but we can all agree she is stunningly beautiful. There's also Aveline, who's the most muscled woman in the series.



On the flipside, Fenris has a tragic backstory and a scarred body and most girls can only think 'Mmm, yeah, take of your clothes'. This goes both ways, you know.

[Darkwingduck]

Most girls eh? -smirk- To address your actual point however you are correct, in a way. Yes objectification is a two way street but often it is very different. To use your example, yes they want him to take off his clothes because they find him attractive(I think it's a bit ridiculous but that's not the point) but from what I have seen their desires do not diminish him as a character. But with Isabella on occasion it has been oh she has large breasts I want to do explicit thing A to her or oh she is a **** because she looks that way therefore I cannot respect her as companion only a thing to be fantasized about and then later slandered.

[Dr. wonderful]

ZerbanDaGreat1 wrote...

Dragon Age has been pretty good about the sexualization of women, actually. Except for Dalish Armour in Origins. I burst out laughing upon giving that to Leliana and seeing about a foot of midriff.

FemHawke, however, is a step in the right direction. Her outfits seem about as revealing as a man's, but we can all agree she is stunningly beautiful. There's also Aveline, who's the most muscled woman in the series.

On the flipside, Fenris has a tragic backstory and a scarred body and most girls can only think 'Mmm, yeah, take of your clothes'. This goes both ways, you know.

Double standards on men?

Not the first time.

[Amioran]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

 No need to blast him so much guys, the OP kinda has a point. Because somebody wants more subtle sexuality in a game (an industry that, frankly, really needs it) doesn't mean they are a ultra-puritan who never had sex and throws crosses at passing womans. 

Sadly, also if you think not, it is just this the motive why everything happens. If you are concerned about these sort of things then you are one of those that makes these things have a public, either if you don't understand it and even if you clearly think the contrary.

The people that are concerned about the use of sex to sell things are the same that makes these things possible. A concern makes people intellectualy beware of a thing, but doesn't remove the inner attraction if there's one, on the contrary it augment the same.

As I said in countries where the sex act wasn't being seen nor as "good" or a "bad" thing, where there was no ineherent attraction or repulsion, as in India, where there were no concerns of these sorts, then these things didn't exists. Nobody in his/her mind would ever had used sex as a catalyst for anything just because it would have served nothing. Nobody would have complained and nobody would have either had incentive of any sort. Nobody would have cared one way or another. When there's no attraction nor repulsion in a thing where's the gain? Sex is represented in India everywhere. Nobody was scandalized by it and nobody was attracted morbosely by it. So where it was the point of using it to sell something?

It's not a case that in these last years that India is approaching more the "occidental" point of view and that people started to being concerned about it, for "bad" or "good" that sex has started being used in this way. Story never lies, it has happened in the past for other things (mainly by Christianity) and it will always happen.

If you oppose a thing there's always a motive why you do so, and many times it is just an hidden, unresolved, attraction. Hate is a feeling as it is love.

Modifié par Amioran, 12 février 2011 - 08:10 .

[TJPags]

Dan_cw wrote...

A question for folks saying: would she really wear that?

Right, she's not a knight or a warrior. She's a swashbuckler/pirate, so do you really expect her to wear plate armour or chainmail etc.? (Granted, chainmail is a more viable option, but still...)

The only other thing she could really wear minus what she does now is leather. In terms of combat, wearing clothes that cover more won't exactly stop a blade anymore than what she wears now.

Now then, as much as I hate to admit this due to being a writer (in my defence, I haven't written much about fantasy or medieval stuff in several years), I have no idea how much leather offers protection wise. But I'd guess it's not much still.

Anyways, I don't even know why I bothered responding here... or why I even bother opening these threads and reading them.

Edit: You know what as well? The day I try to cater to people who don't like swearing, sex etc. is the moment I'll stop writing. If her outfit fits the character, then it fits end of story. By removing it, the character would not be who she is, as she wouldn't be authentically portrayed.

I'll bite. 

Leather, IMO, would be much better for her.  Why?  She's fighting people with sharp objects, who are trying to stick her with them.  And not in one-on-one duels to, say, first blood or 3 touches.  But groups of enemies trying to kill her.

Leather doesn't offer as much protection as plate or chain, no.  But hardened leather can prevent a slash to the stomach or the leg, and can stop a weak slash or even a stab.  It's clearly better than wearing cloth.

[General Malor]

You know I'd have to say a lot, if not all, of the complaints simply stem from intolerance. Not every culture views bodies and sexuality the same way. Showing off a little skin, such as with the Dalish armor when equipped on a female might just be the Dalish standard. They are a lithe people who avoid attacks rather than take them head on. I think people just need to learn more tolerance and understand that their views don't dictate what the world should be. A lot of wars would be avoided this way.

[AtreiyaN7]

Two characters with big chests aren't representative of every woman in the game, if you mean Bethany and Isabela. *rolleyes* I'm female btw, and I don't care about the size of the assorted female NPCs' bosoms at this point (EDIT: actually, I never cared about the issue at all - ever  ). It's not gamebreaking and probably won't ruin my immersion. As far as I can tell, Merrill seems normal sized (have not seen a full shot of her torso, but I'm going to assume she's correctly proportioned, given her apparent height). FemHawke certainly isn't overly endowed, Aveline wears armor and/or that somewhat frumpy outfit with the apron. Cassandra didn't look like she had a massive chest either.

If you're referring to Isabela's outfit in particular - she seems comfortable with her sexuality (which was made clear in DA:O) and chooses to dress like that. Big deal - it's not as if every other woman dresses the same way.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 12 février 2011 - 08:38 .

[Cuthlan]

TJPags wrote...

Dan_cw wrote...

A question for folks saying: would she really wear that?

Right, she's not a knight or a warrior. She's a swashbuckler/pirate, so do you really expect her to wear plate armour or chainmail etc.? (Granted, chainmail is a more viable option, but still...)

The only other thing she could really wear minus what she does now is leather. In terms of combat, wearing clothes that cover more won't exactly stop a blade anymore than what she wears now.

Now then, as much as I hate to admit this due to being a writer (in my defence, I haven't written much about fantasy or medieval stuff in several years), I have no idea how much leather offers protection wise. But I'd guess it's not much still.

Anyways, I don't even know why I bothered responding here... or why I even bother opening these threads and reading them.

Edit: You know what as well? The day I try to cater to people who don't like swearing, sex etc. is the moment I'll stop writing. If her outfit fits the character, then it fits end of story. By removing it, the character would not be who she is, as she wouldn't be authentically portrayed.

I'll bite. 

Leather, IMO, would be much better for her.  Why?  She's fighting people with sharp objects, who are trying to stick her with them.  And not in one-on-one duels to, say, first blood or 3 touches.  But groups of enemies trying to kill her.

Leather doesn't offer as much protection as plate or chain, no.  But hardened leather can prevent a slash to the stomach or the leg, and can stop a weak slash or even a stab.  It's clearly better than wearing cloth.

Ever worn wet leather, like a coat or motorcycle chaps? Very heavy and very unpleasant.

Not that her being a pirate is the only reason for the light clothing, but if we're having that discussion anyway...

[Challseus]

General Malor wrote...

You know I'd have to say a lot, if not all, of the complaints simply stem from intolerance. Not every culture views bodies and sexuality the same way. Showing off a little skin, such as with the Dalish armor when equipped on a female might just be the Dalish standard. They are a lithe people who avoid attacks rather than take them head on. I think people just need to learn more tolerance and understand that their views don't dictate what the world should be. A lot of wars would be avoided this way.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

[Mecha Tengu]

I notice that no one really complains on mortal kombat or LoL forums. Probably because they don't have a large female community.



but here....

Why must you deny our eye candy

Why are you doing this to us

WHY WHY WHY WHY

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 12 février 2011 - 08:45 .

[Cuthlan]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

I notice that no one really complains on mortal kombat or LoL forums. Probably because they don't have a large female community.



but here....

Why must you deny our eye candy

Why are you doing this to us

WHY WHY WHY WHY

Interestingly enough it seems like some of the loudest complaints come from males.

[Mecha Tengu]

Cuthlan wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

I notice that no one really complains on mortal kombat or LoL forums. Probably because they don't have a large female community.



but here....

Why must you deny our eye candy

Why are you doing this to us

WHY WHY WHY WHY

Interestingly enough it seems like some of the loudest complaints come from males.

legit complaints?

or just silly attempts to earn the favour of females

[Bladescorpion]

Isabella hangs out in a **** house in Origins, what do you expect her to wear, chantry robes?

[Mecha Tengu]

Bladescorpion wrote...

Isabella hangs out in a **** house in Origins, what do you expect her to wear, chantry robes?

Let's cover all females up in space marine power armour

or better yet change everything into a generic blob so it doesn't offend anyone

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[TJPags]

Cuthlan wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Dan_cw wrote...

A question for folks saying: would she really wear that?

Right, she's not a knight or a warrior. She's a swashbuckler/pirate, so do you really expect her to wear plate armour or chainmail etc.? (Granted, chainmail is a more viable option, but still...)

The only other thing she could really wear minus what she does now is leather. In terms of combat, wearing clothes that cover more won't exactly stop a blade anymore than what she wears now.

Now then, as much as I hate to admit this due to being a writer (in my defence, I haven't written much about fantasy or medieval stuff in several years), I have no idea how much leather offers protection wise. But I'd guess it's not much still.

Anyways, I don't even know why I bothered responding here... or why I even bother opening these threads and reading them.

Edit: You know what as well? The day I try to cater to people who don't like swearing, sex etc. is the moment I'll stop writing. If her outfit fits the character, then it fits end of story. By removing it, the character would not be who she is, as she wouldn't be authentically portrayed.

I'll bite. 

Leather, IMO, would be much better for her.  Why?  She's fighting people with sharp objects, who are trying to stick her with them.  And not in one-on-one duels to, say, first blood or 3 touches.  But groups of enemies trying to kill her.

Leather doesn't offer as much protection as plate or chain, no.  But hardened leather can prevent a slash to the stomach or the leg, and can stop a weak slash or even a stab.  It's clearly better than wearing cloth.

Ever worn wet leather, like a coat or motorcycle chaps? Very heavy and very unpleasant.

Not that her being a pirate is the only reason for the light clothing, but if we're having that discussion anyway...

Yes I have, and I agree.

Ever had someone try to stab you?  I'm betting you'd want as much protection as you can get.

I'd be fine with Isabela wearing her usual outfit in down time . . .taverns, at home, etc.  I don't mind it as an outfit in general, I'm not offended or bothered by her body or her outfit.

I just think, if someone's going into a situation where several people will be trying to stick sharp objects into your body, they'd want a little protection.

[Dr. wonderful]

Sex sells.



For both female AND males.



But Isabella is a special case, oh so much.

[Purple People Eater]

I dont get this thread. Its like complaining about having air to breathe. Just be glad its there at all. Mkay?

[Mecha Tengu]

General Malor wrote...

You know I'd have to say a lot, if not all, of the complaints simply stem from intolerance. Not every culture views bodies and sexuality the same way. Showing off a little skin, such as with the Dalish armor when equipped on a female might just be the Dalish standard. They are a lithe people who avoid attacks rather than take them head on. I think people just need to learn more tolerance and understand that their views don't dictate what the world should be. A lot of wars would be avoided this way.

my TL;DR impulses automatically translates to:

more skin shown = wars avoided

YAY :D:D

[falconlord5]

TJPags wrote...


Yes I have, and I agree.

Ever had someone try to stab you?  I'm betting you'd want as much protection as you can get.

I'd be fine with Isabela wearing her usual outfit in down time . . .taverns, at home, etc.  I don't mind it as an outfit in general, I'm not offended or bothered by her body or her outfit.

I just think, if someone's going into a situation where several people will be trying to stick sharp objects into your body, they'd want a little protection.

Pirates in the real world didn't wear very much leather, or any other kind of protection. Mostly 'cause they'd sink. So why should a pirate in this fictional 'verse be any different.

[pallascedar]

Saibh wrote...

Actually, I'm pretty pleased. Only Isabela seems overtly sexualized, and hey--that's the kind of person she is. That's the kind of person she was in DAO, that's the kind of person she is now. What do I care if she has the most gargantuan rack since Ivy Valentine? It's only her.

I'm really, really happy they scaled the breast size down from their previous models. I don't see it as every women being overly sexualized. I mean, yeah, Bethany's showing a lot of cleavage, but Isabela wears no pants, Varric's shirt is half open, and Fenris and Merrill wear no shoes.

And that is the sexiest thing of all...

[TJPags]

falconlord5 wrote...

TJPags wrote...


Yes I have, and I agree.

Ever had someone try to stab you?  I'm betting you'd want as much protection as you can get.

I'd be fine with Isabela wearing her usual outfit in down time . . .taverns, at home, etc.  I don't mind it as an outfit in general, I'm not offended or bothered by her body or her outfit.

I just think, if someone's going into a situation where several people will be trying to stick sharp objects into your body, they'd want a little protection.

Pirates in the real world didn't wear very much leather, or any other kind of protection. Mostly 'cause they'd sink. So why should a pirate in this fictional 'verse be any different.

This pirate isn't on a ship anymore.  So she won't sink.

And while I hate to bring this up anymore . . .she DID wear armor when we met her in Origins.

[Dan_cw]

TJ,

Thanks for the response btw. I should really research medieval arms and armor because I'm tempted to try my hand at writing a story set in the time period again.

Regarding the whole combat thing and this isn't aimed at you, TJ, especially as I know it doesn't bother you (at least not much I don't think):

Shouldn't people just remember it's only a game? It really shouldn't influence your view of the entire game and if it does... well, I'm not going to say anything more on that. I think it speaks for itself.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 12 février 2011 - 09:15 .

[falconlord5]

TJPags wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

TJPags wrote...


Yes I have, and I agree.

Ever had someone try to stab you?  I'm betting you'd want as much protection as you can get.

I'd be fine with Isabela wearing her usual outfit in down time . . .taverns, at home, etc.  I don't mind it as an outfit in general, I'm not offended or bothered by her body or her outfit.

I just think, if someone's going into a situation where several people will be trying to stick sharp objects into your body, they'd want a little protection.

Pirates in the real world didn't wear very much leather, or any other kind of protection. Mostly 'cause they'd sink. So why should a pirate in this fictional 'verse be any different.

This pirate isn't on a ship anymore.  So she won't sink.

And while I hate to bring this up anymore . . .she DID wear armor when we met her in Origins.

True, but pirates didn't all of a sudden wear leather garb when they where on land, either. Ship or no ship.

And the art direction is different in DA 2. They don't even look the same across games. Ergo, what she looked like in DA:O, doesn't necessarily apply to DA 2 (and personally, I always thought it was wierd that a pirate was wearing armour in DA:O).