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[Altima Darkspells]

Isabela's outfit is especially horrifying. I cringe in sympathetic pain every time I see her jumping around.



Still, BioWare usually does a good job of keeping the overt sexuality out of their female creations.



Unless they're meant to act that way, but then they're usually bisexual. To show how evil they are.

[Falls Edge]

Probably meant distract during conversation but much more likely it's simply an advantage and invitation, goods aren't always just traded for other goods, people will trade away a lot for a good night, especially in a medieval themed world.

[errant_knight]

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

This is hardly fair. I have all kinds of problems with what I've seen of DA2, but I wouldn't call Aveline. Merill, Cassandra, the leader of the templars, or the random female npcs that we've seen over sexualized. Or Female Hawke. Bethany looks fairly ridiculous, and Isabela has a decided lack of taste (crosses fingers for a toolset. Pants. All the cool kids wear them), but that's about it.

Modifié par errant_knight, 12 février 2011 - 07:19 .

[CruserBoii]

I hated Isabella before the demo, I just didn't like her. Like you I thought she looked ****tish and was thinking she was going to be DAII's Zevran, but I was proven wrong with her introduction in the Tavern, where she kicked a** and actually seems like a cool character.

I just think it's silly that you think her outfit breaks the realism of the game. And I honestly don't care about how her character likes to have secx alot and what not, it's healthy for you after all.

Modifié par CruserBoii, 12 février 2011 - 07:16 .

[Ryzaki]

OP I think this is in the wrong forum.

Direct this to the Mass Effect forums please. 

There's nothing overtly sexual in DA2 that looks ridculously out of character. Isabela loves her body and doesn't mind showing it off. Aveline seems to be sensible and is a guard. Both are dressed the way you'd expect. 

Isabela also has a very curvy body. I don't see the big deal about one character being dressed as such especially when it fits said character's personality. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2011 - 07:20 .

[Fymth]

D.Kain wrote...

Fymth wrote...

You do not seem to know Isabela's character at all...
She is a very confident/strong pirate who will use anything and everything to get the upperhand in a battle
And using her body to distract men in battle is a great way to do just that

Dont complain if you dont have a good reason or a constructive way to improve the clothing.

How desperate of a man do you have to be to get distracted sexually during a battle?? 

Oghren obviously lol...but I did misword this, what I meant was that she will try to get the upperhand in any situation

[Falls Edge]

Can I just say that there's a lot of information here that's off?

Aveline is not dressing sensibly that armor is murder on the knees, I don't mean to be sexist here but you don't just hand a female the same amount of weight as a male and expect them to be a'okay they're built differently, but once again this is fantasy and you can't expect realism besides the ocassional token in it.

[Nayawk]

A_y0ner_ wrote...


Also if you think of it in terms of her character, do you really think some cold-hearted pirate killer woman is really wearing a mini-skirt that just barely covers her rear and has her double-D's hanging out of her shirt? .

Actually I think a woman like that is exactly the type to use everything she has to her advantage.  If that includes her looks and body then its just another tool like a danger or her wits.

[unlasheddeer]

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

Goddamn stupid frustrating OP. If you want a realistic believable world, why are you playing a game with magic and fiery rock skeletons in it. In fact, why are you playing a video game at all??

I thought fem hawke was looked flat in the live chat (Isabela was nice)

[Nashiktal]

I always lol at these sort of things. Especially since in some cases the over sexualization is actually part of the character.

[Skokes]

"Overly" sexualized is an interesting value judgment. What level of sexualization is right?



I'm of mixed feelings on the matter myself. On one hand, it can be difficult to take games seriously when characters (male and female) are strongly exaggerated (and, for me at least, a little difficult to identify with them). I think that there's a place for exaggeration, but I'm not sure that games that seek to elicit emotional reactions deeper than visceral thrills are that place.



On the other, there's a problematic knee-jerk reaction to sexuality that often feels puritanical. There's a lot to be said for creating a highly-stylized fantasy world, and part of fantasy, for better or worse, is fantastically idealized characters.



Sex in games is in a really strange place right now. It's caught between a contingent that wants boobies now, dammit, another that thinks sex has no place in what is essentially a medium of toys, another that thinks sex should be treated in games as it is in film and other media (despite the fact that games aren't films or other media), another that would love to have sex and nudity in games but don't feel the tech's up to speed yet to do it justice, and others besides. It's kind of reflective of the state of gaming as a whole as it grows as a medium and strives for mainstream acceptance.



Which is perhaps a more serious response than the OP was looking for.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I never thought of "overtly sexualized" Isabella. I just think it's just the type of person she is. I just think she looks "sexy" as "not ugly" and not that type of "sexy" as "dirty and naughty"

[Rockworm503]

Actually I'm looking at screenshots of Isabella it doesn't look to be all the over sexualized and I'm a guy who looks for that kind of thing lol

[JigPig]

OP is hilarious.

One character makes a game overly sexualized. Meanwhile the other two females in your party (that aren't your sister) don't even show their neckline, LMAO.

You need some mental help honey, the guys in this game are showing more skin than the gals.

Modifié par JigPig, 12 février 2011 - 07:29 .

[Falls Edge]

Well, if we want to get into body type and why Isabela shouldn't have that form then look no further then that she can fight, and seems to be a relatively healthy individual.  You don't get that kind of body by working on a sailing vessel all your life, she was a sailor before she was a captain and by that logic she should be a lot more muscular and a lot of the fat should be gone(chest). So realistically her body conflicts with her occupation, her clothes (while form fitting) are not perfect for fighting even though she's apparently good at it.

But once again, fantasy.

Modifié par Falls Edge, 12 février 2011 - 07:33 .

[A_y0ner_]

Skokes wrote...

"Overly" sexualized is an interesting value judgment. What level of sexualization is right?

I'm of mixed feelings on the matter myself. On one hand, it can be difficult to take games seriously when characters (male and female) are strongly exaggerated (and, for me at least, a little difficult to identify with them). I think that there's a place for exaggeration, but I'm not sure that games that seek to elicit emotional reactions deeper than visceral thrills are that place.

On the other, there's a problematic knee-jerk reaction to sexuality that often feels puritanical. There's a lot to be said for creating a highly-stylized fantasy world, and part of fantasy, for better or worse, is fantastically idealized characters.

Sex in games is in a really strange place right now. It's caught between a contingent that wants boobies now, dammit, another that thinks sex has no place in what is essentially a medium of toys, another that thinks sex should be treated in games as it is in film and other media (despite the fact that games aren't films or other media), another that would love to have sex and nudity in games but don't feel the tech's up to speed yet to do it justice, and others besides. It's kind of reflective of the state of gaming as a whole as it grows as a medium and strives for mainstream acceptance.

Which is perhaps a more serious response than the OP was looking for.

I think that's a good point. I know this is a fantasy game but I want to appreciate itd world as some sort of artistic expression, not a substitute playboy magazine for underage teenagers.

It makes me wonder what kind of audience video games are trying to market to. I can recall how Dead Space 2 was being advertised as something you buy because its cool to play in spite of how your mother would be horrified to be see you playing it. Now is that really the targeted audience? Made me think twice about buying Dead Space 2 just as Isabella's outfit made me think twice about buying DA2

[Augoeides]

I don't mean to frighten people, but as a man I have dressed very similarly to Isabela in a non-cross-dressing way, back when I was dancing and wanted absoloute maximum mobility and flexibility. Now, obviously dancing and fighting are VERY different things but when it comes to Rogues I can see a hell of a lot of cross-over. Though Falls Edge is right about the lack of muscle but mind you as well, I've met girls, thin as a rake , double Zs (exaggeration) and none of it was surgically done, they just had out of whack bodies.

[ObserverStatus]

Filament wrote...

Yeah Aveline's chainmail bikini annoys the heck out of me too.

Wait, what? Oh...

[UndercoverDoctor]

Tis hot.

[boohead]

because its an easy way to increases sales without harming actual gameplay.

[jomonoe]

Just took a look at Isabella closely. I can see what you mean, OP, however as others have said, it fits her character. If the whole game was populated with Isabella's I would be upset, however, the game is not and the only character who is portayed as being sexy or flirty has a personality to justify it. I mean, she's a pirate. Pirates aren't usually known for their conservative dispositions.



The way you described Jack as being sexualized is really interesting , I think. I never thought that Jack was sexy in any way. In fact, I was kind of repulsed by her. It was a good repulsion, though, since the character of Jack wants people to be scared by her appearance. Anyway, just wanted to say that I never saw her as being sexualized since something being sexualized would mean that it must be attractive which Jack is not, to me.

[thepiebaker]

A_y0ner_ wrote...

Falls Edge wrote...

He's probably complaining about Isabela and Betheny.

Uh, I don't know what to tell you except...Sorry? It's just a part of life I guess, most movies have famous good-looking actors on screen, why would videogames be any different? (Excluding certain games of course).

I have never seen a quality movie where a beautiful woman is as equally dressed as Isabella. 

Also if you think of it in terms of her character, do you really think some cold-hearted pirate killer woman is really wearing a mini-skirt that just barely covers her rear and has her double-D's hanging out of her shirt? 

I'll admit its not as bad as ME2 with Jack travelling through outer space with just a plastic mask and a bra on.

um i would definately believe isabella would do just that. think about it... you're a woman fighting a guy, he gets distracted by your cleavage, which means hes not paying attention to the fight and therefore easy to kill. would a pirate be honorable enough not to take advantage of the opportunity, especially when its KILL OR BE KILLED? hell its a cold day in hell when i expect a rogue to do anything honorable in battle.

[Falls Edge]

Augoeides wrote...

I don't mean to frighten people, but as a man I have dressed very similarly to Isabela in a non-cross-dressing way, back when I was dancing and wanted absoloute maximum mobility and flexibility. Now, obviously dancing and fighting are VERY different things but when it comes to Rogues I can see a hell of a lot of cross-over. Though Falls Edge is right about the lack of muscle but mind you as well, I've met girls, thin as a rake , double Zs (exaggeration) and none of it was surgically done, they just had out of whack bodies.

Dancers stuff is designed to be form fitting, flexible, and stylish(depending) but Isabela is wearing a giant necklace, large earrings, and knee-high boots.

The stuff wrapped around her body is okay as far as flexibility is concerned and the gloves seem practical, but everything else isn't.

Of course people's bodies are sometimes out of whack because of genetic variations, but in this case Isabela is completely different than what you can realistically expect with living her life-style.

But still, back to fantasy. 

Modifié par Falls Edge, 12 février 2011 - 07:53 .

[panamakira]

It's something females on this earth must live with. If you are referring to Isabella, I kept wondering if she was wearing anything underneath that "shirt/scarf" thing.

Edit: and to be fair men suffer from it as well with all the muscle-macho men around in games. BW does a better job at balancing this. Specially with Lady Hawke who looks, sounds and walks femenine but is a hero and kicks ass. I love her.

Aveline is not sexualized but to me her and Lady Hawke represent strong women that had a job to do and got it done.

Modifié par panamakira, 12 février 2011 - 09:35 .

[werewoof]

OP, it must be so difficult for you to handle the sexual overtones in the game. Just think, under all their armour and clothing...every single character is NAKED! THE HORROR.



You must not see very many video games if this one is the oversexualized one. At least there are actually female outfits that involve pants in this game, considering a ton of video games out there pretty much leave your female PCs stuck in short shorts the whole time.