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[Sjofn]

Count Viceroy wrote...

she does have pants, english pants 

One time I was working on a show that was on tour from England (I'm a stagehand) and one of my coworkers said to the English lighting designer, "Hey, nice pants!" and completely baffled him. Good times!

[Kileyan]

Sjofn wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Why not wear what everyone else does? pants.

The only pants that would be good for Backflips would be Tight leather pants,
And people would scream OMG BLACK MIRANDA.


Isabella is a seductress and her outfit reflects her character as do Fenris and merril's lack of shoes due to their elveishnes and Varrics over coat and chest hair due to his street smarts.

If she had the EXACT SAME OUTFIT only with the addition of tight leather pants, I doubt very much people would shriek she's Miranda 2.0 unless the camera work insisted on shoving her butt in our face every time we spoke to her like they did with Miranda.

That is seriously the only change visually that I long for. The backbreaking rack, the ridiculous jewelry, the boots she would break an ankle in, I could accept it all if she just had some pants.

Heh, you are trying to sound amiable, but it appears you hate every single thing about the characters looks? What is with the jewelry complaints? I always picture fantasy pirates or even historical fiction stories about pirates,  with lots of gold, earings, necklaces, rings, fancy belts and what not.

While typing this I came across a promo desktop of Isabella with boots that come up to her upper upper thigh. That likely isn't good enough, those 3 1/2 inches of flesh still uncovered, must be covered? Note this last part was just a random find, not directed to this quote.

Modifié par Kileyan, 13 février 2011 - 03:30 .

[TJPags]

twincast wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I for one loved Isabela's dresscode. Its what I'd expect from an overly flirtatious adventurous sexy pirate queen who probably enjoys being the... er... dominant partner... captain of the "ship". yep.

As for her breast size? I'm a little offended by people who say it is too big. To be frank, I'm pretty sensitive about a lot of opinions floating around about how she's too fat for a rogue, too heavy breasted, and looks skanky. I'm in roller derby, and Isabela's the closest Videogame character I've seen who fits my body type. Yes, I've got a similar chest size. No, I'm not fat, I'm freaking muscular as all hell and can zip around a rink in circles despite that size. I need to be that size so I can knock people off their feet. And yes, I wear "skanky" clothes because its easy to maneuver and much more fun to distract the opposite team.

All in all? Isabela is not overly sexualized. She's just fine sexualized in my book.

Well, more power to you, by all means, and I agree that much criticism is phrased in questionable terms, but again, the problem, at least for me, isn't her having huge breasts, but her and every other human woman having giant, balloon-formed breasts on slim-to-average bodies and hers and Bethany's threatening to pop out any moment, which even ignoring protection is at least for Isabela by no means practical. And I won't believe you use stockings-sized leather boots to highlight a lack of pants until you show me visual proof.

Every woman?

FemHawke doesn't, the Chantry leader (damn, forgot her name) doesn't, Cassandra doesn't, Aveline doesn't.

So, we have 2 women with large breasts, and there's 4 right there that don't have them.

Please, I'm all for ****ing about Isabela's lack of pants, but let's not go overboard with the complaining, shall we?

[HolyJellyfish]

twincast wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I for one loved Isabela's dresscode. Its what I'd expect from an overly flirtatious adventurous sexy pirate queen who probably enjoys being the... er... dominant partner... captain of the "ship". yep.

As for her breast size? I'm a little offended by people who say it is too big. To be frank, I'm pretty sensitive about a lot of opinions floating around about how she's too fat for a rogue, too heavy breasted, and looks skanky. I'm in roller derby, and Isabela's the closest Videogame character I've seen who fits my body type. Yes, I've got a similar chest size. No, I'm not fat, I'm freaking muscular as all hell and can zip around a rink in circles despite that size. I need to be that size so I can knock people off their feet. And yes, I wear "skanky" clothes because its easy to maneuver and much more fun to distract the opposite team.

All in all? Isabela is not overly sexualized. She's just fine sexualized in my book.

Well, more power to you, by all means, and I agree that much criticism is phrased in questionable terms, but again, the problem, at least for me, isn't her having huge breasts, but her and every other human woman having giant, balloon-formed breasts on slim-to-average bodies and hers and Bethany's threatening to pop out any moment, which even ignoring protection is at least for Isabela by no means practical. And I won't believe you use stockings-sized leather boots to highlight a lack of pants until you show me visual proof.

No. I wear thigh high stockings with my skates instead so I can flash the team and get some cheers from the crowd. Its part of the spectacle, and Isabela is a spectacle.

I'll form my opinion when the game comes out. The only two characters with happy big bouncing breasts are Isabela and Bethany that I've seen.

Unless the game looks like Dead or Alive, I myself don't sense the oversexualization. Its sexy, but not insanely madly naked girls crazy fantasy sexy. But that is my opinion.

[mesmerizedish]

twincast wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I for one loved Isabela's dresscode. Its what I'd expect from an overly flirtatious adventurous sexy pirate queen who probably enjoys being the... er... dominant partner... captain of the "ship". yep.

As for her breast size? I'm a little offended by people who say it is too big. To be frank, I'm pretty sensitive about a lot of opinions floating around about how she's too fat for a rogue, too heavy breasted, and looks skanky. I'm in roller derby, and Isabela's the closest Videogame character I've seen who fits my body type. Yes, I've got a similar chest size. No, I'm not fat, I'm freaking muscular as all hell and can zip around a rink in circles despite that size. I need to be that size so I can knock people off their feet. And yes, I wear "skanky" clothes because its easy to maneuver and much more fun to distract the opposite team.

All in all? Isabela is not overly sexualized. She's just fine sexualized in my book.

Well, more power to you, by all means, and I agree that much criticism is phrased in questionable terms, but again, the problem, at least for me, isn't her having huge breasts, but her and every other human woman having giant, balloon-formed breasts on slim-to-average bodies and hers and Bethany's threatening to pop out any moment, which even ignoring protection is at least for Isabela by no means practical. And I won't believe you use stockings-sized leather boots to highlight a lack of pants until you show me visual proof.

Bethany's only that buxom in Varric's exaggerated telling... newer screenshots of her during actual gameplay show that her chest is much more naturally-proportioned.

[Ryzaki]

Bethany's breasts aren't that large.

If you mean the early pics the devs toned them down considerably.
And yeah exaggerated Bethany has huge knockers (yet poor lady Hawke gets no such flattering discription. Varric's a jerk). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 03:33 .

[Yrkoon]

twincast wrote...

3) Her giant boots stopping just under whatever we want to call her piece of cloth leaves only her arms, her bosom and her "pleasure zone" uncovered. Again nothing against people comfortable with their own sexuality, but putting a big bull's eye on your vagina doesn't feel realistic for anyone but hookers and the wet dreams of immature heterosexual males.

<sigh>

Fan:   mmm.... this big juicy steak is extasy!
Critic:  Are you aware, sir, that  too much red meat, fat and cholesterol  can KILL you?
Fan: 


Fan:  tee-hee, I  skipped school today.  I'm gonna  lounge around and just enjoy some liesure time now!
Critic: Slacker.  This is the first step on the road to being an uneducated, unemployed LOSER.
Fan:


Fan:  it's friday night!  I'm gonna go out with my friends and get ****** drunk!
Critic:  Aah yes,  drunk driving, alcoholism, blackouts,  liver damage, doing things you'll regret the next moring because your sense of judgement is impaired due to too much alcohol in your system.  I can see how that would seem so appealing  to immature people like you!
Fan:




Fan: OK! OK! you win.  I won't do any of that.  I'll just be a good boy and play out my fantasies in a video game.  Happy?
Critic:  Oh, Right.   You mean the type that features a half naked,  big breasted companion  with a bullseye on her Vagina?     Grow up already, boy.
Fan:   Gah!

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 février 2011 - 03:35 .

[Yrkoon]

Count Viceroy wrote...

she does have pants, english pants 

I would... Love... to see Isabela in chaps 

[Kileyan]

Yrkoon wrote...

twincast wrote...

3) Her giant boots stopping just under whatever we want to call her piece of cloth leaves only her arms, her bosom and her "pleasure zone" uncovered. Again nothing against people comfortable with their own sexuality, but putting a big bull's eye on your vagina doesn't feel realistic for anyone but hookers and the wet dreams of immature heterosexual males.

Fan:   mmm.... this big juicy steak is extasy!
Critic:  Are you aware, sir, that  too much red meat, fat and cholesterol  can KILL you?
Fan: 


Fan:  tee-hee, I  skipped school today.  I'm gonna  lounge around and just enjoy some liesure time now!
Critic: Slacker.  This is the first step on the road to being an uneducated, unemployed LOSER.
Fan:


Fan:  it's friday night!  I'm gonna go out with my friends and get ****** drunk!
Critic:  Aah yes,  drunk driving, alcoholism, blackouts,  liver damage, doing things you'll regret the next moring because your sense of judgement is impaired due to too much alcohol in your system.  I can see how that would seem so appealing  to immature people like you!
Fan:




Fan: OK! OK! you win.  I won't do any of that.  I'll just be a good boy and play out my fantasies in a video game.  Happy?
Critic:  Oh, Right.   You mean the type that features a half naked,  big breasted companion  with a bullseye on her Vagina?     Grow up already, boy.
Fan:   Gah!

Fan: well at least I can play a warrior hero and vanquish some bad guys

Critic: the sword play isn't realistic and good and evil are relative to which philosophical texts you read

Fan:

[twincast]

TJPags wrote...

Every woman?

FemHawke doesn't, the Chantry leader (damn, forgot her name) doesn't, Cassandra doesn't, Aveline doesn't.

The Chantry leader does, actually, as does Leandra (Mother Hawke).* Cassandra, Aveline & Meredith are armored up, so hard to tell. There may very well be exceptions, but from little evidence we have to go by, I don't expect the DA2 norm to be anywhere near real life average Caucasoid breast sizes.

edit: must have accidentally deleted the following:
*Well, Isabela's are the only ones I distinctly remember as balloons, but the others are at least huge.

Modifié par twincast, 13 février 2011 - 03:50 .

[Cuthlan]

Ryzaki wrote...

And yeah exaggerated Bethany has huge knockers (yet poor lady Hawke gets no such flattering discription. Varric's a jerk). 

He's too scared to go there.

[leeboi2]

Avenline isn't...She's an ugly butch ****.

[mesmerizedish]

leeboi2 wrote...

Avenline isn't...She's an ugly butch ****.

That's everywhere from not true to offensive.

[twincast]

@"fan dialogue": That's rather pointless and not near as witty as you probably think it to be.

Modifié par twincast, 13 février 2011 - 03:44 .

[leeboi2]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

Avenline isn't...She's an ugly butch ****.

That's everywhere from not true to offensive.

I was playing the troll! I personally don't mind her.

[TJPags]

twincast wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Every woman?

FemHawke doesn't, the Chantry leader (damn, forgot her name) doesn't, Cassandra doesn't, Aveline doesn't.

The Chantry leader does, actually, as does Leandra (Mother Hawke).* Cassandra, Aveline & Meredith are armored up, so hard to tell. There may very well be exceptions, but from little evidence we have to go by, I don't expect the DA2 norm to be anywhere near real life average Caucasoid breast sizes.

Meredith, that's who I meant.  Who's the Chantry leader you mean?  And I never paid much attention to Mama Hawke's breasts, sorry.  But if she does, hardly surprising if Beth does too - genetics, you know?

I still say that neither Aveline - who we see without armor - and Cassandra - who isn't wearing plate, you know - hardly have huge breasts.  While we haven't - I don't think - seen Meredith without armor, I'm inclined to say she doesn't, either.  Why?  Because they'd either do it with everyone, or make one or 2 exceptions, as they have.

But hey - you want to take 2 characters as an example of everyone, go ahead.  There are many other more important things to complain about, IMO.

[Count Viceroy]

Sjofn wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

she does have pants, english pants 

One time I was working on a show that was on tour from England (I'm a stagehand) and one of my coworkers said to the English lighting designer, "Hey, nice pants!" and completely baffled him. Good times!

[Beerfish]

twincast wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Every woman?

FemHawke doesn't, the Chantry leader (damn, forgot her name) doesn't, Cassandra doesn't, Aveline doesn't.

The Chantry leader does, actually, as does Leandra (Mother Hawke).* Cassandra, Aveline & Meredith are armored up, so hard to tell. There may very well be exceptions, but from little evidence we have to go by, I don't expect the DA2 norm to be anywhere near real life average Caucasoid breast sizes.

Average eh?  an average means many high numbers, many low numbers and all sorts of numers in between.  Last time I looked all women do not have the average of a breast size.  To the contrary most are NOT average in size.  Now if you want to lobby for body sliders or something fine but since they only make a select number of body models and a select number of special companion body models you will never get anything that resembles average.

[Yrkoon]

twincast wrote...

@"fan dialogue": That's rather pointless and not near as witty as you probably think it to be.

I wasn't trying to be witty, and you missed the point by  about 10,000 nautical miles.

But perhaps I can be a little more direct.  lets try again, shall we?

twincast wrote

Again nothing against people comfortable with their own sexuality, but putting a big bull's eye on your vagina doesn't feel realistic for anyone but hookers and the wet dreams of immature heterosexual males.

First and foremost, Fantasy RPGs are not meant to be realistic.  They don't pretend to be realistic.  And fans don't purchase them in order to immerse themselves in realism.  This SIMPLE point has been made about 20 times since page one, but don't let that deter your pronouncements.

Second,  Unless you've suddenly become   Me, and everyone else here collectively,  don't  act like you're some authority  on  what our ages are, or what we "dream" about or what we consider believable.  Because really, you haven't the first clue. and  resorting to huge, blind, gross overgeneralizations of fans tends to ****** people off.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 février 2011 - 04:03 .

[twincast]

@TJP: I'm assuming the chantry lady in the Sebastian video is the local head honcho. Meredith is the leader of the Templars.

@Beerfish: WTH?

@Yrkoon: I got your "point" well enough. And I'm deeply sorry for using a couple of generalizations when describing what I think to be BioWare's target audience thought process behind designing Isabela, I'm sure I'm the only one.

Modifié par twincast, 13 février 2011 - 04:08 .

[Felfenix]

Other than Isabella, who are all these overly sexualized women that are apparently the majority? Even Isabella isn't that extreme, IMO.

[TJPags]

twincast wrote...

@TJP: I'm assuming the chantry lady in the Sebastian video is the local head honcho. Meredith is the leader of the Templars.

@Beerfish: WTH?

Yes, I know she's the leader of the Templars - I misspoke.  She remains who I meant.

I just replayed the Sebastian video - you think the Chantry mother has huge breasts?  You and I have a different definition of huge, then.

[Sjofn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Bethany's breasts aren't that large.

If you mean the early pics the devs toned them down considerably.
And yeah exaggerated Bethany has huge knockers (yet poor lady Hawke gets no such flattering discription. Varric's a jerk). 

Maybe he has the hots for Bethany!

[kirkonacid]

It's probably been mentioned already, but we're living in an oversexualized world.

Movies, tv, video games... it is all about boobs and butts.

[Nyx]

crusadeonacid wrote...

It's probably been mentioned already, but we're living in an oversexualized world.

Movies, tv, video games... it is all about boobs and butts.

Looking at other games {where female 'armor' consists of a thong and skimpy bikinis, or camel-toe catsuits}, it could be a lot worse.

We still see flashes of the mainstrain media's influence on the DA wardrobe styling, but nothing drastically out of place. For instance, an individual like Isabela would probably wear suggestive clothing, while someone like Anora, would be covered from head-to-toe. 

The only medium I can think of that avoids smiting their users with sexiness is the survival horror genre (sans vampires and demons). Their selling point is the horrifying experience, so they can ignore the 'main cast has to be sexy' rule of thumb.

Modifié par Nyx.Aeterna, 13 février 2011 - 05:15 .