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[Nonoru]

SkyWard20 wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

You're complaining because Isabella is showing off her chest?

Varric shows off his chest just as much.

Why no complaint there?

Men don't have boobs?

His sexiness is above Isabella's though.

[Cuthlan]

SkyWard20 wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

You're complaining because Isabella is showing off her chest?

Varric shows off his chest just as much.

Why no complaint there?

Men don't have boobs?

Sometimes this place feels like playing teeball.

[_Aine_]

For some people I think it is actually *not* that she is sexy or even sexualized, it is just that her cupsize is exaggerated making her almost a caricature. It *is* distracting but to be fair, she has been featured in a lot of promo stuff, and some camera shots feature her assets a la Miranda's bum, so it isn't as though it is unintentional    It is probably something that could have been toned down just slightly, she would have still been large busted and everyone would be focusing on the lack of pants instead That is just Isabela.  You will love her for it or roll your eyes, but she is only one character in a game, to me anyway.    That said, I don't personally have a problem with it, but it *is* so obvious I can see where the criticisms DO come from, and while they don't bother some people, it is totally fine on the other hand that the exaggeration does bother some people. If it was a guy with an enormous crotch, i am also sure people would be complaining/joking/commenting, so it isn't, I don't think, just about female issues. Fairly or not, what people see *is* interpreted. My husband has already said he doesn't think he will play the game because this one looks more juvenile. He is entitled to his opinion as I am to mine. ( I can't wait to play it despite some original misgivings! )  Oh course, most things bother me a great deal more than sexuality also. *shrugs*

Modifié par shantisands, 12 février 2011 - 02:52 .

[SkyWard20]

I don't mind how Isabela looks since it seems to fit her character just fine. Making a game in which everyone looks prim and proper and sophisticated just for the sake of it would be just going to the opposite end of another extreme.

[J0HNL3I]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

what im saying is whats the need in the first place?

[SkyWard20]

Cuthlan wrote...

SkyWard20 wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

You're complaining because Isabella is showing off her chest?

Varric shows off his chest just as much.

Why no complaint there?

Men don't have boobs?

Sometimes this place feels like playing teeball.

Well, what do you want me to say?

[Cuthlan]

J0HNL3I wrote...

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

what im saying is whats the need in the first place?

Because it fits the character they created.

You ask why, well... why not?

[Elvis_Mazur]

Better than having very ugly women walking around.

[Yrkoon]

SkyWard20 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

SkyWard20 wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

You're complaining because Isabella is showing off her chest?

Varric shows off his chest just as much.

Why no complaint there?

Men don't have boobs?

Sometimes this place feels like playing teeball.

Well, what do you want me to say?

Batter up?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 12 février 2011 - 02:56 .

[J0HNL3I]

Cuthlan wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

what im saying is whats the need in the first place?

Because it fits the character they created.

You ask why, well... why not?

im saying why do games need to have someone sexy on the front just to sell more copies, its nt what makes a good game in my opinion (my opinion is a good story and a good soundtrack do)

[Yrkoon]

My copy of Dragon Age Origins has a red colored dragon on the front.

Which is an outrage.  I'm offended by companies who objectify dragons.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 12 février 2011 - 02:59 .

[TheRevanchist]

Morrigan's not on on cover...well she is but....its a giant blood dragon mainly...she don't even look that hot in that picture...and Hawke's on the cover...(who admitidly is a handsome devil) but I don't see your argument here...

Modifié par kylecouch, 12 février 2011 - 02:59 .

[SkyWard20]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

Suspension of disbelief? If a fantasy world has a well-thought out reality and certain elements are explained, I expect the characters and everything else to follow the laws set by the author.

"There's no need for anything to make sense because it's fantasy" isn't a very good explanation.

Modifié par SkyWard20, 12 février 2011 - 03:00 .

[Cuthlan]

J0HNL3I wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

what im saying is whats the need in the first place?

Because it fits the character they created.

You ask why, well... why not?

im saying why do games need to have someone sexy on the front just to sell more copies, its nt what makes a good game in my opinion (my opinion is a good story and a good soundtrack do)

Since that doesn't apply to DA2 I'm not sure why it matters.

But if you must know, it is the same as a pretty girl advertising any product on television. Like it or not, it has been proven to be effective advertising.

Sometimes simply being a good game doesn't make copies fly off the shelves (although with the internet becoming as large as it is, this is becoming less of an issue). Sometimes you need to draw eyes to yourself when someone is walking down the game aisle looking to buy a game when they don't know what they're looking for.

It's the same as heavy metal and lots of blood and action in the DA:O trailers. Or a big flashing neon sign above a business. And so on.

[J0HNL3I]

Cuthlan wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

what im saying is whats the need in the first place?

Because it fits the character they created.

You ask why, well... why not?

im saying why do games need to have someone sexy on the front just to sell more copies, its nt what makes a good game in my opinion (my opinion is a good story and a good soundtrack do)

Since that doesn't apply to DA2 I'm not sure why it matters.

But if you must know, it is the same as a pretty girl advertising any product on television. Like it or not, it has been proven to be effective advertising.

Sometimes simply being a good game doesn't make copies fly off the shelves (although with the internet becoming as large as it is, this is becoming less of an issue). Sometimes you need to draw eyes to yourself when someone is walking down the game aisle looking to buy a game when they don't know what they're looking for.

It's the same as heavy metal and lots of blood and action in the DA:O trailers. Or a big flashing neon sign above a business. And so on.

your right its just somthing that a realy annoys me

[Maria Caliban]

LiquidGrape wrote...

If there's one thing I find more annoying than people claiming that anything with a sexual edge is outrageous, it's people claiming that a sexual edge can't possibly be problematic.

I agree with this.

I don't think Isabela is overly sexualized. I think she's just right about sexualized for Isabela. There are other woman in the game who aren't sexualized and even Isabela, while being overtly sexual, is not a shallow character. What I like about Isabela is that she's sexual for herself. It's not like Morrigan and Leliana where their sexuality was often just a tool to manipulate men.

In popular portrayals of female sexuality, women are never simply allowed to be lusty like men and desire a simple roll in the hay. It's always them trying to control/seduce/betray men.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 février 2011 - 03:04 .

[megaz635]

Because if we wanted a game where every women is ugly,flat, and yells at everyone then who the hell would want to buy the game?

[Lord_Anthonior]

SkyWard20 wrote...

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

Suspension of disbelief? If a fantasy world has a well-thought out reality and certain elements are explained, I expect the characters and everything else to follow the laws set by the author.

"There's no need for anything to make sense because it's fantasy" isn't a very good explanation.

I think that as it is a fantasy everything is permitted and the elements of reality will follow, Isabela is a pirate, she travels abroad in her ship to (most likely) warm places or under the sun while at sea so I don't think to be far fetched for her to wear those clothes. As for the need...I believe it gives appeal to at the very very least look at the game and wonder what is about, makes one head turns and look at the game cover may that be for dragons, armos, swords and attractive women.

kylecouch wrote...
Morrigan's not on on cover....its a
giant blood dragon...and Hawke's on the cover...(who admitidly is a
handsome devil) but I don't see your argument here...

Have you seen who appears in the wing of that red dragon? and I meant Origins (The Warden and Morrigan), as for DA2 yes it is Hawke.

[SkyWard20]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

SkyWard20 wrote...

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

connorthedragonslayer wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

A_y0ner_ wrote...

My god, I want to feel like I'm immersed in a realistic, believable world. Not stuck in some horny 14 year old's imagination.

its just to draw in the sad people who buy games because theres someone 'sexy' on the front

And the irony of that is that male Hawke is on the front.

And in Origins was Morrigan in the Front (By the way, Thanks for that Bioware!!!) . Still I don't see the problem about it and even like it that way, if it bothers so much to some people then just as easy as to change their clothes in their individual gamethroughs or just don't play the game or look past of that and enjoy the battles. There are always options.

Also, I don't how realistic and believable world can one feel in a game about dragons, elves, darkspawn and ogres... I'd say that the last feeling one can expect in this game is being realistic but certainly compelling to play and do immerse in the choices.

Suspension of disbelief? If a fantasy world has a well-thought out reality and certain elements are explained, I expect the characters and everything else to follow the laws set by the author.

"There's no need for anything to make sense because it's fantasy" isn't a very good explanation.

I think that as it is a fantasy everything is permitted and the elements of reality will follow, Isabela is a pirate, she travels abroad in her ship to (most likely) warm places or under the sun while at sea so I don't think to be far fetched for her to wear those clothes. As for the need...I believe it gives appeal to at the very very least look at the game and wonder what is about, makes one head turns and look at the game cover may that be for dragons, armos, swords and attractive women.

kylecouch wrote...
Morrigan's not on on cover....its a
giant blood dragon...and Hawke's on the cover...(who admitidly is a
handsome devil) but I don't see your argument here...

Have you seen who appears in the wing of that red dragon? and I meant Origins (The Warden and Morrigan), as for DA2 yes it is Hawke.

and I'm 100% fine with the appearance; just saying that a fantasy world should make a little sense.

[grimmcreeper]

Falls Edge wrote...

No that outfit is stupid to wear, even if you want to use your body as an advantage, it gets in the way but lets not talk about that.

Actually, the lack of clothing would make it easier for her to move around seeing as she is a rogue so stealthy movement is her forte.

I'm all for 'don't be oppressed by the man' and such but sometimes people just get ridiculous. Isabela is a sexual character, it fits with her personality. I could understand if it were say...Merrill dressed up like that, as it doesn't suit her personality, but it isn't.

The only scanty gal I've seen is Isabela, and it works for her, being a sexy pirate lady who seems the type to use her sex appeal to her advantage.

I mean lawd...

[marshalleck]

megaz635 wrote...

Because if we wanted a game where every women is ugly,flat, and yells at everyone then who the hell would want to buy the game?

All the fat ugly yelling people that sit around all day in trailer parks watching Jerry Springer?

[TheRevanchist]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

kylecouch wrote...
Morrigan's not on on cover....its a
giant blood dragon...and Hawke's on the cover...(who admitidly is a
handsome devil) but I don't see your argument here...

Have you seen who appears in the wing of that red dragon? and I meant Origins (The Warden and Morrigan), as for DA2 yes it is Hawke.

Sir...the fact I had to actually get up and CHECK MY CASE to actually NOTICE IT in the first place should tell you it's not a big deal in the slightest in that situation.

[grimmcreeper]

General Malor wrote...

Decapitations? Fine.
Maiming? That's cool.
Rape? Go right ahead.
Murder? Yes please.

Slightest bit of skin on a female character? Those sexist pigs! Those chauvinist bastards! How dare they!!! No woman is curvy, is proud of her body, wears revealing clothing or wants to dress how she wants to dress! That never happens in reality! EVARZ! Every woman must not have measurements... of any kind. They must have their skin completely covered, don't they know they should be ashamed of their bodies. Also women abstain from sex entirely, we have the stork for babies thank you very much.

...

Man my thoughts exactly.

Oh and ya'll need to quit acting like her big boobs are like so impossible. Big boobs aren't a myth; they exist without surgery. My mom had like F cups when she was young, had to get a breast reduction or she wouldn't be able to move her arms when she was 30 (as the doctor said). And she was a very petite lady.

So big boobs isn't unrealistic, and it's not as though every girl has balloons in her chest in DA2.

Modifié par grimmcreeper, 12 février 2011 - 03:27 .

[Amioran]

shantisands wrote...

For some people I think it is actually *not* that she is sexy or even sexualized, it is just that her cupsize is exaggerated making her almost a caricature.

This is a bit of a controsense. If she is sexualized then she obviously becomes a caricature. This is the intention of stylizing an aspect. This happens in the mind of every individual looking at something. The visual "reality" tells him/her something, his/her mind caricaturize the same and enhance the primary traits received (in his/her view) accordingly, enhanced in respect to the rest.

A caricature is just a visual representation of this process. Jessica Rabbit is a clear example. The David of Michelangelo is another, albeit in different aspects. The difference lies only on the aspects that are enhanced. Enhancing a sexual aspect becomes "bad" only because some types of cultures tell us that it is, not because it is formally so.

Isabela in the game enhances the sexual aspect, other females however enhance other aspects. People however complain only on Isabela mostly, while the enhancement is going on for many other aspects. Why do you think is that so?
 

shantisands wrote...
 If it was a guy with an enormous crotch, i am also sure people would be complaining/joking/commenting, so it isn't, I don't think, just about female issues.

If this happens it is only for the aforementioned motive. If you see the Quanari as an exagerated form of a being, obviously caricaturized, nobody complains just because it is so. The "joke" or caricature becomes "silly" only when it encompass aspects that people associate with sexuality (or other supposedly "bad" things in the culture of the viewer). Same happens at the same way with caricaturized body sizes, since in the imagination of a certain type of culture this means "sexuality exalthed", either if one doesn't clearly comprehend it.

All the stylish aspect of the game is going in a certain direction, enhancing aspects of the individuals to express their character in conformity with the artists' intention. For other things you can have complain of people not liking it or preferring another approach, but the exageration is not complained individually for what it is. It happens only with things perataining sex (either from afar), and this speaks volumes on where the real concern is.

shantisands wrote...
My husband has already said he doesn't think he will play the game because this one looks more juvenile. He is entitled to his opinion as I am to mine.

The opinion of your husband is perfectly fine if it pertains to the artistic style in general. However for many people, sadly, this become mostly of the times just an excuse to not accept individual stylizations pertaining with things that are badly perceived instead of not liking the artistic style on a whole in the context presented.

The truth is that many people really don't like so much to know exactly what they feel inside and/or to understand that most of what they think and they feel/experience etc. is just an outside construct having little to do with what they really are. Have a common "puritan" (80% of occidental people) guy speak loudly vulgar words having to do with sex and you will see exactly what I mean: they will mask their inability for doing so with words as "it is stupid" or "why I should do this?" to prevent either themselves to notice that in reality they have a problem with the supposed "ethic" of the thing instead of a supposed stupidity of the thing in itself.

Modifié par Amioran, 12 février 2011 - 03:29 .

[Maria Caliban]

It blows my mind when people conflate feminism and christian conservatism.

Amioran wrote...
If she is sexualized then she obviously becomes a caricature.

To sexualize simply means to make someone sexual. Morrigan in Dragon Age was sexualized. Thane was sexualized. Yes, that can become caricature both only if it dominates the character.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 février 2011 - 03:31 .