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[MasterSamson88]

I'm very pleased with both Hawkes voices. Almost better than the Shepherds I think.

[InvaderErl]

andar91 wrote...

I, too, really like the voice, more than the male voice even (which I also like, just not as much). I'm all for female empowerment (and would honestly consider myself a male feminist), but it seemed like FemShep was trying to be too masculine at times. I like that Lady Hawke sounds confident, strong, and actually female.Edit:  @ DarthCaine, I also thought she sounded a lot like Lara from earlier TR games.  Specifically, Jonell Elliott.  She's the third Lara.

QFT.

[Hedera]

DarthCaine wrote...

I still don't like Male Hawke's voice, but I like what I've heard of FemHawke's voice. She kinda sounds like Lara Croft

This.  After the reveal I went on youtube with a hunch.  The voice actresses sound very similar.  But Keely Hawes wasn't in DA:O or Mass Effect.  So it's a no.

[DahliaLynn]

She's perfect.

[rage-monk]

I posted this on the other thread about this topic:

rage-monk wrote...

So, if we assume that femHawke's VA was
in both DA:O and ME and is of English nationality it seems we are down
to three candidates:

• Jan Alexandra Smith - Asari Councilor / Delilah Howe
• April Banigan - Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani / Devera
• Stephanie Wulfe (/Wolfe) - additional voices (can't find a sample)

Here's femHawke's voice, for reference.

I'm
not claiming these are all of them (it's conceavable I overlooked
someone) and I can neither confirm nor deny their nationality.

My
pick out of these three would be Jan Alexandra Smith, based on my
impression that both Delilah Howe and femHawke at times sound a little
like Queen Anora (which had been my first impression).

Edit: My mother agrees with me, but she isn't 100% sure either.

[TaleSpun]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...


ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

Ha, "lilty". I like that word. To describe FemHawke's voice and in general.

What I like about FemHawkes voice is that she actually sounds feminine. I know everyone loves FemShep in Mass Effect. While I like MaleShep all the same, I can see why those people feel the way they do. As a theater student, I can easily admit Jennifer Hales performance is more emotional, more nuanced, and more subtle when she wants it to be. It's better in general.

My problem is: it's not feminine. At all.

For all intents and purposes, FemShep might as well be a man. FemHawkes voice (based on the admittedly very little we've heard) sounds distinctly female. The potential is there for it be sensual during romance or shrill when she's angry. You know, the way a lot of women are when their angry. (Not to generalize or anything. I mean no offense.)

I have no qualms with playing a female character. I think games need more female leads in general. But why do it if the characters aren't feminine? Why, as a man, should I play FemShep if I'm not going to experience the attitudes and emotions of a female character? The performance is better, I get it. Ultimately, I'm more connected to my male Shepard because we're the same gender and FemShep only offered a different voice.

FemHawke seems to be avoiding these things:wizard:

[falconlord5]

Ritch Cafe wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...


ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

Ha, "lilty". I like that word. To describe FemHawke's voice and in general.

What I like about FemHawkes voice is that she actually sounds feminine. I know everyone loves FemShep in Mass Effect. While I like MaleShep all the same, I can see why those people feel the way they do. As a theater student, I can easily admit Jennifer Hales performance is more emotional, more nuanced, and more subtle when she wants it to be. It's better in general.

My problem is: it's not feminine. At all.

For all intents and purposes, FemShep might as well be a man. FemHawkes voice (based on the admittedly very little we've heard) sounds distinctly female. The potential is there for it be sensual during romance or shrill when she's angry. You know, the way a lot of women are when their angry. (Not to generalize or anything. I mean no offense.)

I have no qualms with playing a female character. I think games need more female leads in general. But why do it if the characters aren't feminine? Why, as a man, should I play FemShep if I'm not going to experience the attitudes and emotions of a female character? The performance is better, I get it. Ultimately, I'm more connected to my male Shepard because we're the same gender and FemShep only offered a different voice.

FemHawke seems to be avoiding these things:wizard:

Our definitions of feminine are different. FemShep has got that low-end, almost bass growl to her voice. That, to me, is feminine. And infininetly more sensual, at any point in time.

Every thing else sounds light and girly to me. Not that isn't a good thing, depending on the character. But it's not feminine. To me.

[Sable Phoenix]

Ritch Cafe wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...


ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

Ha, "lilty". I like that word. To describe FemHawke's voice and in general.

What I like about FemHawkes voice is that she actually sounds feminine. I know everyone loves FemShep in Mass Effect. While I like MaleShep all the same, I can see why those people feel the way they do. As a theater student, I can easily admit Jennifer Hales performance is more emotional, more nuanced, and more subtle when she wants it to be. It's better in general.

My problem is: it's not feminine. At all.

For all intents and purposes, FemShep might as well be a man. FemHawkes voice (based on the admittedly very little we've heard) sounds distinctly female. The potential is there for it be sensual during romance or shrill when she's angry. You know, the way a lot of women are when their angry. (Not to generalize or anything. I mean no offense.)

I have no qualms with playing a female character. I think games need more female leads in general. But why do it if the characters aren't feminine? Why, as a man, should I play FemShep if I'm not going to experience the attitudes and emotions of a female character? The performance is better, I get it. Ultimately, I'm more connected to my male Shepard because we're the same gender and FemShep only offered a different voice.

FemHawke seems to be avoiding these things:wizard:

Blame the writing.  There was absolutely no concession by the writing team to femShep's sex except when some scuzzbag was making a pass at her.  Shepard is written as a man, and Hale just has to do the best she can with what she's given (and she does very well, considering, she gets all the credit for what femininity Shepard as a woman does have).

LadyHawke might end up being just as masculine as BeardyHawke if the writing isn't handled correctly, voice or no.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 12 février 2011 - 08:04 .

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

 All I really noticed was how much smaller your (femHawke) boobs will be than Isabella's. ;p

Aaaaaaaanyways, as much as I like Hale, I'm glad we're finally getting a new VA. It got a bit old always hearing the exact same voice actors in game after game (and that's not directed at just Hale, but all the other VAs Bioware has liked to share between their games).

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 12 février 2011 - 08:08 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

falconlord5 wrote...

Ritch Cafe wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...


ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

Ha, "lilty". I like that word. To describe FemHawke's voice and in general.

What I like about FemHawkes voice is that she actually sounds feminine. I know everyone loves FemShep in Mass Effect. While I like MaleShep all the same, I can see why those people feel the way they do. As a theater student, I can easily admit Jennifer Hales performance is more emotional, more nuanced, and more subtle when she wants it to be. It's better in general.

My problem is: it's not feminine. At all.

For all intents and purposes, FemShep might as well be a man. FemHawkes voice (based on the admittedly very little we've heard) sounds distinctly female. The potential is there for it be sensual during romance or shrill when she's angry. You know, the way a lot of women are when their angry. (Not to generalize or anything. I mean no offense.)

I have no qualms with playing a female character. I think games need more female leads in general. But why do it if the characters aren't feminine? Why, as a man, should I play FemShep if I'm not going to experience the attitudes and emotions of a female character? The performance is better, I get it. Ultimately, I'm more connected to my male Shepard because we're the same gender and FemShep only offered a different voice.

FemHawke seems to be avoiding these things:wizard:

Our definitions of feminine are different. FemShep has got that low-end, almost bass growl to her voice. That, to me, is feminine. And infininetly more sensual, at any point in time.

Every thing else sounds light and girly to me. Not that isn't a good thing, depending on the character. But it's not feminine. To me.

Gah, I don't mean to post so much, I really don't, but I think both of your posts speak to the heart of the matter.  There is no single monolith for describing what it means to be female.  Women are diverse in speech, action, thought, and movement.  What does it mean to be "manly"?  Why can't a woman take on "manly" attributes if she chooses or if she feels that way?  The same goes for men who do the opposite.  Gender is a mutable thing and that's great.  Everything doesn't have to be so binary.

[yoshibb]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Ritch Cafe wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...


ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

Ha, "lilty". I like that word. To describe FemHawke's voice and in general.

What I like about FemHawkes voice is that she actually sounds feminine. I know everyone loves FemShep in Mass Effect. While I like MaleShep all the same, I can see why those people feel the way they do. As a theater student, I can easily admit Jennifer Hales performance is more emotional, more nuanced, and more subtle when she wants it to be. It's better in general.

My problem is: it's not feminine. At all.

For all intents and purposes, FemShep might as well be a man. FemHawkes voice (based on the admittedly very little we've heard) sounds distinctly female. The potential is there for it be sensual during romance or shrill when she's angry. You know, the way a lot of women are when their angry. (Not to generalize or anything. I mean no offense.)

I have no qualms with playing a female character. I think games need more female leads in general. But why do it if the characters aren't feminine? Why, as a man, should I play FemShep if I'm not going to experience the attitudes and emotions of a female character? The performance is better, I get it. Ultimately, I'm more connected to my male Shepard because we're the same gender and FemShep only offered a different voice.

FemHawke seems to be avoiding these things:wizard:

Blame the writing.  There was absolutely no concession by the writing team to femShep's sex except when some scuzzbag was making a pass at her.  Shepard is written as a man, and Hale just has to do the best she can with what she's given (and she does very well, considering, she gets all the credit for what femininity Shepard as a woman does have).

LadyHawke might end up being just as masculine as BeardyHawke if the writing isn't handled correctly, voice or no.

Why does FemShep's voice have to sound 100% feminine? That's what my voice sounds like and I still put on nice dresses and act like a woman. I loved that about FemShep. There was just enough feminine in her voice for her to be a woman. She didn't sound all mannerly and delicate, she sounded like a soldier. It's kind of annoying that people think that the voice isn't woman enough as I'm 100% female and have that same low voice. I thought it was a nice change of pace from all the pretty girl voices I usually get in video games.

And I didn't find that they didn't let us know that she was female. She may be a little more masculine than usual but that's what I expected from her. And I was glad that they didn't change the scenes to make it more feminine. I loved the scene on Virmire where she punched Saren in the face and then carried her injured friend to safety. Femshep was everything I've wanted from a female character in a video game. I don't think anything can outdo her in my mind. 

I don't mind Lady Hawke's voice though. I like it, in fact. But nothing can ever compare to FemShep's voice for me.

[TaleSpun]

yoshibb wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Ritch Cafe wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...


ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

Ha, "lilty". I like that word. To describe FemHawke's voice and in general.

What I like about FemHawkes voice is that she actually sounds feminine. I know everyone loves FemShep in Mass Effect. While I like MaleShep all the same, I can see why those people feel the way they do. As a theater student, I can easily admit Jennifer Hales performance is more emotional, more nuanced, and more subtle when she wants it to be. It's better in general.

My problem is: it's not feminine. At all.

For all intents and purposes, FemShep might as well be a man. FemHawkes voice (based on the admittedly very little we've heard) sounds distinctly female. The potential is there for it be sensual during romance or shrill when she's angry. You know, the way a lot of women are when their angry. (Not to generalize or anything. I mean no offense.)

I have no qualms with playing a female character. I think games need more female leads in general. But why do it if the characters aren't feminine? Why, as a man, should I play FemShep if I'm not going to experience the attitudes and emotions of a female character? The performance is better, I get it. Ultimately, I'm more connected to my male Shepard because we're the same gender and FemShep only offered a different voice.

FemHawke seems to be avoiding these things:wizard:

Blame the writing.  There was absolutely no concession by the writing team to femShep's sex except when some scuzzbag was making a pass at her.  Shepard is written as a man, and Hale just has to do the best she can with what she's given (and she does very well, considering, she gets all the credit for what femininity Shepard as a woman does have).

LadyHawke might end up being just as masculine as BeardyHawke if the writing isn't handled correctly, voice or no.

Why does FemShep's voice have to sound 100% feminine? That's what my voice sounds like and I still put on nice dresses and act like a woman. I loved that about FemShep. There was just enough feminine in her voice for her to be a woman. She didn't sound all mannerly and delicate, she sounded like a soldier. It's kind of annoying that people think that the voice isn't woman enough as I'm 100% female and have that same low voice. I thought it was a nice change of pace from all the pretty girl voices I usually get in video games.

And I didn't find that they didn't let us know that she was female. She may be a little more masculine than usual but that's what I expected from her. And I was glad that they didn't change the scenes to make it more feminine. I loved the scene on Virmire where she punched Saren in the face and then carried her injured friend to safety. Femshep was everything I've wanted from a female character in a video game. I don't think anything can outdo her in my mind. 

I don't mind Lady Hawke's voice though. I like it, in fact. But nothing can ever compare to FemShep's voice for me.

Well put. That's an excellent counterpoint. I apologize if I offended you. Apparently your voice is very pleasing to the ear!

[Saibh]

rage-monk wrote...

I posted this on the other thread about this topic:

rage-monk wrote...

So, if we assume that femHawke's VA was
in both DA:O and ME and is of English nationality it seems we are down
to three candidates:

• Jan Alexandra Smith - Asari Councilor / Delilah Howe
• April Banigan - Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani / Devera
• Stephanie Wulfe (/Wolfe) - additional voices (can't find a sample)

Here's femHawke's voice, for reference.

I'm
not claiming these are all of them (it's conceavable I overlooked
someone) and I can neither confirm nor deny their nationality.

My
pick out of these three would be Jan Alexandra Smith, based on my
impression that both Delilah Howe and femHawke at times sound a little
like Queen Anora (which had been my first impression).

Edit: My mother agrees with me, but she isn't 100% sure either.

Belinda Cornish is also from England, she just lives in Canada now.

Modifié par Saibh, 12 février 2011 - 08:53 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Ritch Cafe wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Why does FemShep's voice have to sound 100% feminine? That's what my voice sounds like and I still put on nice dresses and act like a woman. I loved that about FemShep. There was just enough feminine in her voice for her to be a woman. She didn't sound all mannerly and delicate, she sounded like a soldier. It's kind of annoying that people think that the voice isn't woman enough as I'm 100% female and have that same low voice. I thought it was a nice change of pace from all the pretty girl voices I usually get in video games.

And I didn't find that they didn't let us know that she was female. She may be a little more masculine than usual but that's what I expected from her. And I was glad that they didn't change the scenes to make it more feminine. I loved the scene on Virmire where she punched Saren in the face and then carried her injured friend to safety. Femshep was everything I've wanted from a female character in a video game. I don't think anything can outdo her in my mind. 

I don't mind Lady Hawke's voice though. I like it, in fact. But nothing can ever compare to FemShep's voice for me.

Well put. That's an excellent counterpoint. I apologize if I offended you. Apparently your voice is very pleasing to the ear!

Yeah, this. I hope it didn't sound like I didn't care for Hale's work as femShep; she's my favorite voice actress, period, and she made the character memorable.  Her work has established to me that Shepard is a woman, marketing be damned.  I think the whole "she sounds like a man!" thing comes from the writing, not the voice.  Men and women do speak differently, for the most part, so subconsciously, since the writing treats Shepard as male, people get a bit of a wierd vibe while Shepard is talking.  Even I have experienced that slight cognitive dissonance while hearing my femShep speak at a few points during the Mass Effect games.  It's a testament to Hale's stellar acting skills that she's still believable.

The Dragon Age writing team is head and shoulders better than Mass Effect's, though, at least since Karpashyn left, so maybe they will avoid this pitfall with LadyHawke and she really will sound like her own separate character, not just BeardyHawke without the beard.

... I'm not buying the game, so I don't know why I care, other than that the only studio that consistently treats its female characters well is BioWare (despite a few missteps here and there).

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 12 février 2011 - 09:06 .

[rage-monk]

Saibh wrote...

rage-monk wrote...
[...]
So, if we assume that femHawke's VA was
in both DA:O and ME and is of English nationality it seems we are down
to three candidates:

• Jan Alexandra Smith - Asari Councilor / Delilah Howe
• April Banigan - Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani / Devera
• Stephanie Wulfe (/Wolfe) - additional voices (can't find a sample)

Here's femHawke's voice, for reference.

I'm
not claiming these are all of them (it's conceavable I overlooked
someone) and I can neither confirm nor deny their nationality.

[...]

Belinda Cornish is also from England, she just lives in Canada now.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the info! But I don't think it's her; forgot to mention that I had ruled out some names on the basis of how the actresses sound before I knew about the nationality-thing.

Modifié par rage-monk, 12 février 2011 - 09:10 .

[falconlord5]

Sable Phoenix wrote...



Yeah, this. I hope it didn't sound like I didn't care for Hale's work as femShep; she's my favorite voice actress, period, and she made the character memorable.  Her work has established to me that Shepard is a woman, marketing be damned.  I think the whole "she sounds like a man!" thing comes from the writing, not the voice.  Men and women do speak differently, for the most part, so subconsciously, since the writing treats Shepard as male, people get a bit of a wierd vibe while Shepard is talking.  Even I have experienced that slight cognitive dissonance while hearing my femShep speak at a few points during the Mass Effect games.  It's a testament to Hale's stellar acting skills that she's still believable.

The Dragon Age writing team is head and shoulders better than Mass Effect's, though, at least since Karpashyn left, so maybe they will avoid this pitfall with LadyHawke and she really will sound like her own separate character, not just BeardyHawke without the beard.

... I'm not buying the game, so I don't know why I care, other than that the only studio that consistently treats its female characters well is BioWare (despite a few missteps here and there).

I find it's the exact opposite; to me, it sounds like they wrote femShep's dialogue first, and the kinda shoehorned MaleShep in, especially in ME 2.

I agree that does not seem to be the case in DA 2, though.

[Lindum]

Femhawke's voice is brilliant. I like it. Good call on the voice actress, Bioware.

[phantomdragoness]

I've always liked femShep's voice, because it suits her character. However, I am EXTREMELY glad they made femHawke's voice more feminine. It will be a nice change.

[Gilsa]

@Lucy - <3 your post. Made me laugh just reading it.

[yoshibb]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Ritch Cafe wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

Why does FemShep's voice have to sound 100% feminine? That's what my voice sounds like and I still put on nice dresses and act like a woman. I loved that about FemShep. There was just enough feminine in her voice for her to be a woman. She didn't sound all mannerly and delicate, she sounded like a soldier. It's kind of annoying that people think that the voice isn't woman enough as I'm 100% female and have that same low voice. I thought it was a nice change of pace from all the pretty girl voices I usually get in video games.

And I didn't find that they didn't let us know that she was female. She may be a little more masculine than usual but that's what I expected from her. And I was glad that they didn't change the scenes to make it more feminine. I loved the scene on Virmire where she punched Saren in the face and then carried her injured friend to safety. Femshep was everything I've wanted from a female character in a video game. I don't think anything can outdo her in my mind. 

I don't mind Lady Hawke's voice though. I like it, in fact. But nothing can ever compare to FemShep's voice for me.

Well put. That's an excellent counterpoint. I apologize if I offended you. Apparently your voice is very pleasing to the ear!

Yeah, this. I hope it didn't sound like I didn't care for Hale's work as femShep; she's my favorite voice actress, period, and she made the character memorable.  Her work has established to me that Shepard is a woman, marketing be damned.  I think the whole "she sounds like a man!" thing comes from the writing, not the voice.  Men and women do speak differently, for the most part, so subconsciously, since the writing treats Shepard as male, people get a bit of a wierd vibe while Shepard is talking.  Even I have experienced that slight cognitive dissonance while hearing my femShep speak at a few points during the Mass Effect games.  It's a testament to Hale's stellar acting skills that she's still believable.

The Dragon Age writing team is head and shoulders better than Mass Effect's, though, at least since Karpashyn left, so maybe they will avoid this pitfall with LadyHawke and she really will sound like her own separate character, not just BeardyHawke without the beard.

... I'm not buying the game, so I don't know why I care, other than that the only studio that consistently treats its female characters well is BioWare (despite a few missteps here and there).

It's ok, guys I'm not offended at all. I kinda had to grow into the voice though cause when I was younger and answered the phone some people thought I was my brother 

It'll be interesting to go through a playthrough with a more feminine sounding protagonist from a Bioware game. I'm wondering if it will have the same effect on me as the FemShep voice did. I like to feel like I actually am the character rather than just on the outside looking in. 

[Merchant2006]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

ITS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LILTY AND SOFT. ITS EXACTLY HOW I HAD DARED TO DREAM OF IT

OH GOD

THANK YOU BIOWARE.
THANK YOU.

[Riknas]

While I like this one more than Femshep's voice ( no offense to the FemShep's really, it was far too masculine for me, that it bordered on consistently sounding angry), I still prefer the Male Hawke's voice anyway...then agian, I'm one of the few posters who also likes the ambiguity provided by the Male Shepard's interpretation...

Modifié par Riknas, 12 février 2011 - 09:41 .

[Jayce]

I can see where some people are coming from with Lara Croft/Keeley Hawes but I don't think it is. It actually sounds more to me like Anora/Mika Simmons.

[Nadia]

rage-monk wrote...

So, if we assume that femHawke's VA was
in both DA:O and ME and is of English nationality it seems we are down
to three candidates:

• Jan Alexandra Smith - Asari Councilor / Delilah Howe
• April Banigan - Khalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani / Devera
• Stephanie Wulfe (/Wolfe) - additional voices (can't find a sample)

Here's femHawke's voice, for reference.

I'm
not claiming these are all of them (it's conceavable I overlooked
someone) and I can neither confirm nor deny their nationality.

My
pick out of these three would be Jan Alexandra Smith, based on my
impression that both Delilah Howe and femHawke at times sound a little
like Queen Anora (which had been my first impression).

Edit: My mother agrees with me, but she isn't 100% sure either.

I disagree, somehow I think she sounds more like Devera, I'd say it's April - 80%