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[Dave of Canada]

RinjiRenee wrote...

And this won't mean a relationship hurdle...?  It looks like Isabela has a problem with commitment as well...

... I really don't think comparing Isabela's commitment to a man--who's possessed and can only focus on one thing because of it--works quite well.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 février 2011 - 01:17 .

[Dhiro]

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Hepler herself said that it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for him to focus on anything else. Also, before the Justice/Vengeance character twist was revealed, Gaider - who wrote him in Awakening - stated that he wasn't the Anders we remember. He retains the snark and some similarities, but he's not exactly the same person.

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...
His conflict is demon possession.

You act like that's a HUGE hurtle!  >_>

Hey, if Connor was a few years older...

You know, I always wonder about that.  If it is possible to essential "fix" abominations, why doesn't the circle every do that?  It's always KILL DEH DEMON! rather than let's get rid of it!  Or...Connor was just special because he was nobility.  *grumbles*

Well. They said that to fix it, the vessel must LET the demon in, like Connor - he made a contract with the Desire Demon. He was willing to. Also, this needs lots of Lyrium and Mages and time. Killing the abomination is more simpler than doing all the magic ritual. In the Broken Circle quest they didn't had the mages or the Lyrium.

[tondratic]

RinjiRenee wrote...

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...

His conflict is demon possession.

You act like that's a HUGE hurtle!  >_>

Nothing that a personal quest that's forseeable can't fix.

Hrm, yeah. If anything, him being romanceable might just be the sort of incentive needed for people to really really want to exorcise free him.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Calla S wrote...

Lmao. It's not a problem with commitment. He's an abomination. I want to see you try to effectively put the moves on someone with a Fade demon taking over you whenever it damn well pleases.

Do we know that Vengeance can take over whenever it pleases? And is he really an abomination yet?

[Calla S]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Lmao. It's not a problem with commitment. He's an abomination. I want to see you try to effectively put the moves on someone with a Fade demon taking over you whenever it damn well pleases.

Do we know that Vengeance can take over whenever it pleases? And is he really an abomination yet?

1) Yes. Justice takes over when he wants (seen in the video), and Justice is a sweet little guy. I can only imagine a demon would have a heavier hand.

2) Yes. An abomination is a broad term for an elf or human possessed by a demon.

[fighterchick]

Dhiro wrote...

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Hepler herself said that it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for him to focus on anything else. Also, before the Justice/Vengeance character twist was revealed, Gaider - who wrote him in Awakening - stated that he wasn't the Anders we remember. He retains the snark and some similarities, but he's not exactly the same person.

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...
His conflict is demon possession.

You act like that's a HUGE hurtle!  >_>

Hey, if Connor was a few years older...

You know, I always wonder about that.  If it is possible to essential "fix" abominations, why doesn't the circle every do that?  It's always KILL DEH DEMON! rather than let's get rid of it!  Or...Connor was just special because he was nobility.  *grumbles*

Well. They said that to fix it, the vessel must LET the demon in, like Connor - he made a contract with the Desire Demon. He was willing to. Also, this needs lots of Lyrium and Mages and time. Killing the abomination is more simpler than doing all the magic ritual. In the Broken Circle quest they didn't had the mages or the Lyrium.

If that's the case, then I wonder if it is possible to get rid of Ander's demon.  I think it's stated somewhere that he let in Justice originally willingly, then it got corrupted.  So...maybe he's not always a strangely coherent abomination...thing.

[Ryzaki]

Dhiro wrote...

Well. They said that to fix it, the vessel must LET the demon in, like Connor - he made a contract with the Desire Demon. He was willing to. Also, this needs lots of Lyrium and Mages and time. Killing the abomination is more simpler than doing all the magic ritual. In the Broken Circle quest they didn't had the mages or the Lyrium.

Add that to the fact that there's a good chance they only did the ritual because the PC had saved all of them and you get a serious problem. 

Lyrium is very expensive and having a bunch of mages do a ritual that can be solved by cutting someone's head off (and for an apostate no less) I just don't see happening unless the circle is saved again. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 01:26 .

[jeseli]

I think too many people have watched the Exorcist lately. ene

[Rinji the Bearded]

Calla S wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Lmao. It's not a problem with commitment. He's an abomination. I want to see you try to effectively put the moves on someone with a Fade demon taking over you whenever it damn well pleases.

Do we know that Vengeance can take over whenever it pleases? And is he really an abomination yet?

1) Yes. Justice takes over when he wants (seen in the video), and Justice is a sweet little guy. I can only imagine a demon would have a heavier hand.

2) Yes. An abomination is a broad term for an elf or human possessed by a demon.

1. Justice seemed to take over in that video because Anders was fatigued from healing.

2.  I think there's a big difference between the abominations that we see (aka a complete hostile takeover) and what Anders is experiencing merely because Anders still has influence.  Will it get worse over time as Anders continues to see the injustice done to Mages?  Probably.  And we'll likely have to help him.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 13 février 2011 - 01:23 .

[Dhiro]

fighterchicks wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Hepler herself said that it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for him to focus on anything else. Also, before the Justice/Vengeance character twist was revealed, Gaider - who wrote him in Awakening - stated that he wasn't the Anders we remember. He retains the snark and some similarities, but he's not exactly the same person.

fighterchicks wrote...

Calla S wrote...
His conflict is demon possession.

You act like that's a HUGE hurtle!  >_>

Hey, if Connor was a few years older...

You know, I always wonder about that.  If it is possible to essential "fix" abominations, why doesn't the circle every do that?  It's always KILL DEH DEMON! rather than let's get rid of it!  Or...Connor was just special because he was nobility.  *grumbles*

Well. They said that to fix it, the vessel must LET the demon in, like Connor - he made a contract with the Desire Demon. He was willing to. Also, this needs lots of Lyrium and Mages and time. Killing the abomination is more simpler than doing all the magic ritual. In the Broken Circle quest they didn't had the mages or the Lyrium.

If that's the case, then I wonder if it is possible to get rid of Ander's demon.  I think it's stated somewhere that he let in Justice originally willingly, then it got corrupted.  So...maybe he's not always a strangely coherent abomination...thing.

Yes, this seems possible. Just like Morrigan send us to kill Flemeth, maybe Anders can send us to get help of the local Circle and do the ritual. Then we go to fight with Vengeance in the Fade.

[Dave of Canada]

Connor wasn't a hostile takeover and he's still an abomination.

[nomzy]

Elfman wrote...

Now we know Aveline is not a LI, *snip*

Pardon my ignorance, but can you give me a link to this? 

[Dave of Canada]

nomzy wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Now we know Aveline is not a LI, *snip*

Pardon my ignorance, but can you give me a link to this? 

Here you go.

[sevalaricgirl]

Corrupted Robots wrote...

Fenris will definitely be romanceable because he was almost designed for fangirls, i swear.
Mm. I'm actually thinking Anders won't be. But if he is I'll be happy.
Also Sebastian Vael wont be, im assuming.

If they didn't have a human male LI, they'd ****** off a lot of fans, me included.

[fighterchick]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Calla S wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Lmao. It's not a problem with commitment. He's an abomination. I want to see you try to effectively put the moves on someone with a Fade demon taking over you whenever it damn well pleases.

Do we know that Vengeance can take over whenever it pleases? And is he really an abomination yet?

1) Yes. Justice takes over when he wants (seen in the video), and Justice is a sweet little guy. I can only imagine a demon would have a heavier hand.

2) Yes. An abomination is a broad term for an elf or human possessed by a demon.

1. Justice seemed to take over in that video because Anders was fatigued from healing.

2.  I think there's a big difference between the abominations that we see (aka a complete hostile takeover) and what Anders is experiencing merely because Anders still has influence.  Will it get worse over time as Anders continues to see the injustice done to Mages?  Probably.  And we'll likely have to help him.

considering what is said on his official character page:
Anders agreed to become Justice's human host… only to find that his anger at the Circle warped Justice into the demonic spirit of Vengeance. Now Anders must struggle mentally and physically to maintain his control over the demon within... 

I'd say that he doesn't have very much control over the demon and he is an abomination.  It's not a peaceful coexistence and if he's having trouble keeping the demon from taking over, it seems that the demon does take over when it wants to.  

[Calla S]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Calla S wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Calla S wrote...
Lmao. It's not a problem with commitment. He's an abomination. I want to see you try to effectively put the moves on someone with a Fade demon taking over you whenever it damn well pleases.

Do we know that Vengeance can take over whenever it pleases? And is he really an abomination yet?

1) Yes. Justice takes over when he wants (seen in the video), and Justice is a sweet little guy. I can only imagine a demon would have a heavier hand.

2) Yes. An abomination is a broad term for an elf or human possessed by a demon.

1. Justice seemed to take over in that video because Anders was fatigued from healing.

2.  I think there's a big difference between the abominations that we see (aka a complete hostile takeover) and what Anders is experiencing merely because Anders still has influence.  Will it get worse over time as Anders continues to see the injustice done to Mages?  Probably.  And we'll likely have to help him.

1. You do realize that this means Justice still took over, right? Meaning he can take over. whenever. he wants. As will Vengeance. I don't see how this is surprising at all.

2. He's not a full-fledged Rage Demon or anything, but it's still not exactly what people need to make a cohesive relationship. Vengeance wants to destroy the Chantry. (As does Anders.) I sincerely doubt he is interested in Lady Hawke's dulcet little flirtations. It's taking away from time that could be spent doing useful things. Soooo hot. Unf unf.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Connor wasn't a hostile takeover and he's still an abomination.

Desire was using him as a puppet, likely to due to his weak will.  Anders, with effort, can retain Justice/Vengeance. 

[Dave of Canada]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

If they didn't have a human male LI, they'd ****** off a lot of fans, me included.

They've done it before with BG2 (all elves for men, I believe) and ME2 (Jacob was -not- human!).

[fighterchick]

If Anders is a romance option, it's going to make for a very strange one unless the romance begins after (if you can) get rid of the demon inside of him.

[Dave of Canada]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Desire was using him as a puppet, likely to due to his weak will.  Anders, with effort, can retain Justice/Vengeance. 

And Anders is losing control.

[Maria Caliban]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

You seem awfully convinced he's 100% focused on destroying the Chantry, seems like he's very willing to help others (being a devoted healer as well). Wouldn't he leave Hawke if Hawke wasn't 100% against the Chantry as well? No. I think he'll cooperate for the greater good and can be convinced as such. I think you're taking his whole possession thing a little too seriously.

The bold is at the start of the game, as the game progresses Anders won't be able to focus on much else. Hepler said so herself.

Anders is definitely still recognizable as snarky ol' Anders on most subjects. He/Justice just have one enormous blind spot. And the bigger that issue gets in the world, the harder it is for Anders to focus on anything else...

And this won't mean a relationship hurdle...?  It looks like Isabela has a problem with commitment as well...

Given that Isabela was married previously, I don't think she has a problem with commitment. She simply enjoys her flings.

That said, I'm not sure how you can compare 'dislikes commitment' to 'has a supernaturally enforced obsession with destroying the Chantry.'

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dave of Canada wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Desire was using him as a puppet, likely to due to his weak will.  Anders, with effort, can retain Justice/Vengeance. 

And Anders is losing control.

But I'm sure he won't in the end, if the forseeable personal quest is any indication.

[Phex]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Sefferz wrote...

I'm going to be sad if Varric isn't romanceable because he seems like the only one from the male lot who hasn't endured some life changing trauma or isn't... Half-possessed. Then again I do take some enjoyment in playing out romance stories where the other person goes and fixes the other and then there will be lots of kissing and all that.

I'm pretty sure varric will have  some Problems as well, All bioware characters have conflict.

Oh, that's pretty much a given in BW games. However both Anders and Fenris' conditions go above and beyond of what I'd call just your normal conflict a la "I have trouble believing in myself since a squadmate betrayed me once".

Speaking of Anders, when Spirit of Justice turns into Vengeance, does he still retain his, uh, Spirit status or does he also become a demon? I guess there are all sorts of spirits in the Fade, representing difference virtues. Vengeance is born from injustice in a way, isn't it? So Anders isn't exactly an abomination, even if the spirit in him is that of a violent aspect...

[sevalaricgirl]

Dave of Canada wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

If they didn't have a human male LI, they'd ****** off a lot of fans, me included.

They've done it before with BG2 (all elves for men, I believe) and ME2 (Jacob was -not- human!).

SWKOTOR Carth, DAO Alistair, ME1 Kaidan, ME2 Jacob (despite what you may think, he was human).  Never played BG2 and don't want to.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 13 février 2011 - 01:32 .

[panamakira]

sydified wrote...

I don't know, but if Anders and Fenris arn't LIs, then I'm going to throw a fangirl fit.

Pretty much this. Fangirls' tears taste bitter Bioware~