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[Russalka]

That was in reverse.

[fighterchick]

Maria Caliban wrote...

fighterchicks wrote...

A commitment of what exactly?  She wasn't committed to staying faithful or loyal to him.  She wasn't committed to even really caring about him.  

You completely ignored the captain comment.

Isabela agreed at some point to a long-term, socially meaningful relationship with someone. She made a commitment. Commitment has nothing to do with liking another, though it's nice when those things coincide.

I did not!  I said that she can have solid working relationships!  I understand and accept that's a sort of commitment.  I'm talking about a different kind of commitment, though!  You can have commitment to friends, but not have a commitment in love/relationships.  I'm just saying that just because she was married, that doesn't prove she doesn't have commitment issues in a romantic setting.  Just because someone has issues with love, like not being able to commit to a single person in that sort of relationship, doesn't mean that it affect every part of their life.  She can still have friends and her crew members that she's loyal to and trusts.  She may not be the monogomous sort in relationships though.

Edit:  Looking back on my other comment, I did accidentally edit out the part you said about her relationship to her crew of your quote, but I did comment on it.

Modifié par fighterchicks, 13 février 2011 - 02:00 .

[Maria Caliban]

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yes, I view someone marrying as evidence that they're not afraid of commitment. Whether they like that person or sleep with other is rather irrelevant to whether they've made that commitment.

I'd say if the person has clear preference for cheating (i mean it in generic sense here, not specifically sleeping with others) then "commitment" becomes largely empty phrase. Making commitment can then very easily become case of merely making the other person believe that the commitment was actually made.

And... her being a captain? The men she served with for years?

I find it odd here that no one is talking about Fenris', Anders', or Merril's fear of commitment or providing evidence that they're willing to make commitments. Only Isabela, the character that we know has been married and who was the captain of a ship.

[Super_Cat]

I don't see why people are saying Anders can't be a romance because of his condition.



Let's see, romancing Anders would probably cause drama, complications, and angst.



He's perfect for a romance.

[Dave of Canada]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Yes, and there's also that moment in that old trailer where she seems to betray Hawke...

Betray how? She drops her sword and then kisses him.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Dave of Canada wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Yes, and there's also that moment in that old trailer where she seems to betray Hawke...

Betray how? She drops her sword and then kisses him.

I saw it in reverse, apparently.  My bad!

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Marriage can be done without commitment to the other person if it's done for advantageous reasons, i.e., obtaining wealth or ship. She might be a gold digger.

What I meant above is that Anders could be afraid of being with anyone because of his condition. Isabela is probably afraid of love, in a sense (kind of like Zevran in that case). Commitment issues.

Said love issues are highligtened in the trailer when you see her and Hawke together. I believe she goes "You want to bring love into this?" in a concerned tone while she sort of wrings her hands nervously. 

Yes, and there's also that moment in that old trailer where she seems to betray Hawke...

Wait...what? Where was that? 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Marriage can be done without commitment to the other person if it's done for advantageous reasons, i.e., obtaining wealth or ship. She might be a gold digger.

What I meant above is that Anders could be afraid of being with anyone because of his condition. Isabela is probably afraid of love, in a sense (kind of like Zevran in that case). Commitment issues.

Said love issues are highligtened in the trailer when you see her and Hawke together. I believe she goes "You want to bring love into this?" in a concerned tone while she sort of wrings her hands nervously. 

Yes, and there's also that moment in that old trailer where she seems to betray Hawke...

Wait...what? Where was that? 

Apparently I've been tricked!

[fighterchick]

Maria Caliban wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yes, I view someone marrying as evidence that they're not afraid of commitment. Whether they like that person or sleep with other is rather irrelevant to whether they've made that commitment.

I'd say if the person has clear preference for cheating (i mean it in generic sense here, not specifically sleeping with others) then "commitment" becomes largely empty phrase. Making commitment can then very easily become case of merely making the other person believe that the commitment was actually made.

And... her being a captain? The men she served with for years?

I find it odd here that no one is talking about Fenris', Anders', or Merril's fear of commitment or providing evidence that they're willing to make commitments. Only Isabela, the character that we know has been married and who was the captain of a ship.

To be fair, it's probably because the little we do know about Isabella is that she likes to have flings.  That alone doesn't suggest that she's a commitment-phobe, but the whole "you're not trying to bring feelings into this?" (or something along those lines) hints that she's not entirely comfortable with deeper relationships/commitments.  I'm sure Fenris will have a whole bunch of problems on his own and he won't even be able to trust the PC at first.  He'll probably also have commitment issues.  Anders...it's still weird to me, the idea of romancing an abomination just doens't click, so I'd rather not think about it.  As for Merrill, who knows?  I know absolutely nothing of her character, so can't really comment on her.

[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...


Apparently I've been tricked!

lulz. I had a feeling that's what it was. 

[Sjofn]

Ryzaki wrote...

And really with all the bashing Jacob got on the ME2 forums...

Well not bashing but...he certainly wasn't a popular LI. Not by a long shot. 

My personal problem with Jacob is not that he had the burden of being the boring nice guy human (which IS a burden when you're a character in a space opera) but that LadyShep's voice acting when she was flirting with him was straight up horrible. I can't romance him because I can't stand listening to her.

I'm not convinced Fenris will be a love interest. I sort of hope he isn't. Having a dwarf love interest would be nice and different (although I will be angry EVERY TIME that my dwarf warden didn't have a hot dwarf to rebound with after Gorim broke her widdle heart), and I think no human love interest is really unlikely. If Fenris IS a love interest, though, I have no doubt it will basically end in tears somehow.

I won't lie, though, my biggest pie in the sky dream is that Sebastian is a love interest. 

[fighterchick]

Super_Cat wrote...

I don't see why people are saying Anders can't be a romance because of his condition.

Let's see, romancing Anders would probably cause drama, complications, and angst.

He's perfect for a romance.

The Templar who is enthralled by the desire demon (who he thinks is his wife) trapped in the circle tower in origins springs to mind.  

If they can work around the demon issue, it'll be fine.  If it's a permanet fixture on his personality...it just seems odd to me, I guess.

[Russalka]

It was dramatic.

[Ryzaki]

Sjofn wrote...
My personal problem with Jacob is not that he had the burden of being the boring nice guy human (which IS a burden when you're a character in a space opera) but that LadyShep's voice acting when she was flirting with him was straight up horrible. I can't romance him because I can't stand listening to her.

I'm not convinced Fenris will be a love interest. I sort of hope he isn't. Having a dwarf love interest would be nice and different (although I will be angry EVERY TIME that my dwarf warden didn't have a hot dwarf to rebound with after Gorim broke her widdle heart), and I think no human love interest is really unlikely. If Fenris IS a love interest, though, I have no doubt it will basically end in tears somehow.

I won't lie, though, my biggest pie in the sky dream is that Sebastian is a love interest. 

 "Hey Jacooob." it was pretty bad. 

I hope he is. And you know Fenris and Varric can be LIs. Doesn't have to be one or theother. 

Though chances are he is

A. He's the only companion it seems (I'm not 100 on this) that Gaider wrote
B. Gaider was excitedabout writing a romance over a 10 year span (according to an interview)
C. His voice actor was handpicked by Gaider (I'm about 90 on this) who thought it would make a good romanceable character (100 on the last bit though)

And Gaider loves his tears.  

Don't worry my fingers are crossed for Seb as well. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 02:11 .

[Sjofn]

Well, I was saying Varric rather than Fenris while working on the assumption that there WILL be Anders as a love interest (because, as I said, I see "no human option" as extremely unlikely).

That's a good point about Fenris being Gaider's only character, though, he does love him the romance.

Modifié par Sjofn, 13 février 2011 - 02:13 .

[Jademoon121]

At my best guess with deductive reasoning there are three slots left for romances, a Male Bisexual LI, a Male LI, and a Female LI.
Isabella is pretty much the Female Bisexual LI, that leaves Merrill who'll be the Female LI for manHawke because Aveline was confirmed not to be an option. All that's left is the Male Bisexual LI and Male LI for femHawke.

Varric, Anders and Fenris are available, and there are two positions left. Personally, because he's possessed by a Demon of Vengeance, Anders is the least likely to be a LI. It just sounds to unstable and difficult to deal(and maybe script)within a relationship. That leaves Varric and Fenris. I (again personal opinion) see Fenris as the Male LI and Varric as the Male Bisexual LI. Fenris pretty much has Estrogen Brigade Bait(don't know how to link to TV Tropes LOL) all over him and he fits the stereotypical archetypes most woman are attracted to in media(Pretty, elegant, dark history etc.) That just leaves Varric, and I think he's the Male Bisexual LI because he's the narrator for both manhawke and femhawke. He'll already alter the monologues for whatever choices you make in game, so why not if he loves you?

Modifié par Jademoon121, 13 février 2011 - 02:16 .

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

And... her being a captain? The men she served with for years?

How much do we really know about Isabela's crew? Only what she herself tells you, if i remember it right -- even her first mate has no comment on this matter. When Jack Sparrow tries to hire "hundred souls" to pay off his debt he technically "makes commitment" with these men, too. Or merely makes them believe that's the case, while he only sees them as tools.

I find it odd here that no one is talking about Fenris', Anders', or Merril's fear of commitment or providing evidence that they're willing to make commitments. Only Isabela, the character that we know has been married and who was the captain of a ship.

Out of these characters only Isabela is on record of being notorious cheat. As such, i find it rather reasonable to take everything she says with pinch of salt, including claims of commitment.

[sevalaricgirl]

Calla S wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...
If they didn't have a human male LI, they'd ****** off a lot of fans, me included.

I really doubt pissing off a few fans will really bother them that much. Big company, after all. And, hey, you don't like shorties? Romance Fenris. He's a little taller than Lady Hawke now. Just ignore the ears.

I don't think they'd ****** off just a few fans.  They ****** off a lot of fans.

[Russalka]

Vocality does not mean majority.

[Sjofn]

Jademoon121 wrote...

At my best guess with deductive reasoning there are three slots left for romances, a Male Bisexual LI, a Male LI, and a Female LI.
Isabella is pretty much the Female Bisexual LI, that leaves Merrill who'll be the Female LI for manHawke because Aveline was confirmed not to be an option. All that's left is the Male Bisexual LI and Male LI for femHawke.

Varric, Anders and Fenris are available, and there are two positions left. Personally, because he's possessed by a Demon of Vengeance, Anders is the least likely to be a LI. It just sounds to unstable and difficult to deal(and maybe script)within a relationship. That leaves Varric and Fenris. I (again personal opinion) see Fenris as the Male LI and Varric as the Male Bisexual LI. Fenris pretty much as Estrogen Brigade Bait all over him and he fits the stereotypical archetypes most woman are attracted to in media(Pretty, elegant, dark history etc.) That just leaves Varric, and I think he's the Male Bisexual LI because he's the narrator for both manhawke and femhawke. He'll already alter the monologues for whatever choices you make in game, so why not if he loves you?

I think Anders will be straight because, well, he was in Awakenings. I guess you could argue he was trying WAY too hard to drive home that he loves the ladies ... and it's always possiple that Justice/Vengeance is someone with an eye for men. :innocent:

[Calla S]

Jademoon121 wrote...
He'll already alter the monologues for whatever choices you make in game, so why not if he loves you?

It's amazing how such a simple sentence can make a person go all melty.

This is why I want Varric to be an LI. The possibility for incredibly poignant moments in the narration is just too perfect to pass up. I hate alliteration.

[foxtrotcharlie]

Calla S wrote...

Lmao. It's not a problem with commitment. He's an abomination. I want to see you try to effectively put the moves on someone with a Fade demon taking over you whenever it damn well pleases.

Wynne had a spirit. They were living in peaceful co-existence. This? This ain't peaceful, honey. And Vengeance isn't a spirit. He's a certified demon, warped by Anders' anger at the Chantry.

I agree with you Calla, while I truly liked Ander's character, I think that in order for Anders to achieve some sort of normalcy again, it will not be as simple as "Hey, let's dismantle the Circle of Magi, then Ander's will be back to his old self--no strings attatched--demon is gone :innocent:"  Although, on top of this, I doubt that the quest of overhauling the Circle of Magi will be quite taxing in of itself, if that is, in fact, what Anders belives will satisfy his own vengence and anger.  

All I know is, at this jucture, I find that Anders is quite dangerous in his current state. And by dangerous, I don't mean sexy-dangerous, like Clint Eastwood. I mean, homocidal-rage-Patrick Bateman- dangerous...

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 13 février 2011 - 02:18 .

[artsangel]

I'm afraid this is second hand information, but apparently according to the PC Gamer Review, there are more romance options in DA2 than there was in DAO, and pretty much every main character and party member is romanceable.

The same person talking about the review also said Anders was a confirmed LI, but I don't know if this information came from the review or elsewhere (or nowhere...)