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[ADLegend21]

I was playing ME1 again and passed the people talking about the volus joining the council. It made me think if the reapers get defeated then everyone involved should be able to join the council. So instead of just Humans, Turians, Asari, and Salarians, there'd be a Volus, Quarian, Krogan, Batarian, etc councilor and the entire galaxy could be united instead of being council space and the terminus systems. Thoughts?

[James2912]

I would like that, sort of a galactic repub!lic! A lot more equitable.. Then 3-4 races controlling the rest

[AkiKishi]

My first thought is what use is a Volus unless they explode like Prinny's ?

[Rhayth]

I dunno I think having it the way it is gives way to a lot more interest in the universe. Maybe have a republic under the council would still maintain some of that interest in those species. I think those four groups holding supremacy over the rest just makes for too much political ad cultural interest in the universe. Like I said maybe giving the rest a smaller seat like say if all the members of the under seat agreed on a situation it could still put a fair amount of pressure on the Council to do something they may not want to do, but seeing a Batarian/Quarian/Krogan/Elcor/Hanar all agree on something is highly unlikely which makes for more political and cultural interest as now so much of the hate toward Asari, Turians, Salarians, and Humans would be dispersed evenly.

[McAllyster]

I think this should be your decision at the end - like in ME1 when you decided who will be the human council member.



Renegade decision: to the hell with the council, humans rules the universe

Neutral: the old council structure is good enough - with humans, asari, turian and salarian we will make a powerhouse

Paragon: this old council concepts is sucks, let's make an Interstellar Alliance (like in Babylon 5) or Republic (like in Star Wars)

[James2912]

McAllyster wrote...

I think this should be your decision at the end - like in ME1 when you decided who will be the human council member.

Renegade decision: to the hell with the council, humans rules the universe
Neutral: the old council structure is good enough - with humans, asari, turian and salarian we will make a powerhouse
Paragon: this old council concepts is sucks, let's make an Interstellar Alliance (like in Babylon 5) or Republic (like in Star Wars)

I approve! As long as all of those options are choosable and the game doesn't just choose it for you depending on your morality score. My pro human Shep wouldn't want to even see a human empire, it just would not be able to last that long, with all the aliens ganging up on the humans. However I would choose it once just to see a badass ending!

Modifié par James2912, 12 février 2011 - 08:38 .

[Wulfram]

Wouldn't work. The council races are not an arbitrary imposition, but a recognition of reality - they are the great powers of the galaxy, they have no reason to agree to a situation where they can be overruled by vagrants, slavers, barbarians and bankers.

[Pro_Consul]

Wulfram wrote...

Wouldn't work. The council races are not an arbitrary imposition, but a recognition of reality - they are the great powers of the galaxy, they have no reason to agree to a situation where they can be overruled by vagrants, slavers, barbarians and bankers.

Then let the "all-inclusive" choice be more like the U.N. Security Council, where any race can join but those four original members (Asari, Salarian, Turian and Human) have veto powers. Or arrange so they get extra votes or something.

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 12 février 2011 - 09:20 .

[ajw]

They could follow the Interstellar Alliance model from Babylon Five with all the various races having a council seat but with the major powers like Humans, Turians, Salarians and Asari forming an inner advisory council that can veto the others - but only with unanimous approval from all four.

[McAllyster]

offtopic:



ajw - the Babylon 5 Council had the leading races: humans, narn, minbari, centauri and vorlon. Plus the Non Aligned Leauge with every other species. Each of the leading races had one vote - plus the whole Non Aligned League had only one vote. This changed at the end of the 4th, beginning of the 5th season when they founded the Interstellar Alliance - in this case all species had equal rights. For example to send their candidates to Ranger training. And of course every species had one vote, not just the leading races. (Of course humans, minbari and the other had leading position - but not because of the rules but bacause of their experience and political/military

power.) So the ISA's foundation in equal rights, this is the big change since the Babylon 5 Council.



End of offtopic.



Anyway I'm a huge fan of Babylon 5 series and I think there are a lot of common things between ME and B5. I hope Shepard can quote John Sheridan from B5 when he said to the elder races: "Get the hell out of our galaxy!"

[McAllyster]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Wouldn't work. The council races are not an arbitrary imposition, but a recognition of reality - they are the great powers of the galaxy, they have no reason to agree to a situation where they can be overruled by vagrants, slavers, barbarians and bankers.

Then let the "all-inclusive" choice be more like the U.N. Security Council, where any race can join but those four original members (Asari, Salarian, Turian and Human) have veto powers. Or arrange so they get extra votes or something.

This is a good opinion - one should be have to be an option at the end of ME3 if we can decide the fate of the council.

My opinion is this council thing is not working in this form - they are endangering the whole galaxy with their ignorance. (My main Shepard is Paragon but he let the old council die - not because their stupidity but the situation was hard and he couldn't risk Sovereigns victory.) So if the galaxy survives the attack of the Reapers and he can decide we will suggest a new, democratic system.

This council is simply blind and stupid, only Anderson can see what is coming - but he can't do anything with the council burocratic crap. Remember, at the ME1 they didn't let us to go to the Terminus systems because they though it could risk war with them - and voila, in ME2 we could do anything in the Terminus systems.

Plus there are no good excuses to exclude all other races from the council. Volus, quarians (the council is very hard with the quarians), hanars, etc. - no one has rights, everybody should do what the council says. At the beginning the council simply feared the humans and they tried to slow the human expansion - the only reason of the human seat is the Battle of Citadel. (Just read the Revelation novel - the council is simply jerk with the humans.)

So if the galaxy survives the Reapers this is the perfect time to change the whole system. In fact the council should resign after the Reaper attack because they didn't beleived in Shepard's word and let the attack happen without any preparations.

[DPSSOC]

My plans for the post ME3 Council are no different than my Post ME1 plans for the Council. The 3 Stooges will be strung up and publicly flogged for 72 hours and then they will be hung and beheaded for crimes against Galactic Civilization. The Council will then be replaced by an alien Senate based on representation by population under the Systems Alliance; we've proven we're the only species fit to look out for the collective interests of the Galactic Community by virtue of being the only species to ever look out for collective rather than individual interests. The Systems Alliance will hold only two extra privledges as opposed to other members; the ability to veto any vote (requiring unanimous approval by all Alliance representatives) and they will be granted full control of all military forces in the event of a crisis (Senate must declare a state of crisis for this to take effect).



If the Asari, Salarians, and Turians are willing to play ball they can join us, if not they will be hunted and crushed until there is no hope for their species every recovering.



As you've no doubt guessed my vision of the Council's future has a very, very high body count.

[Xilizhra]

Quite so. I'd be happy to kill you if I met you in the ME universe. Well, not happy, but I wouldn't terribly regret it.

[Yeti13]

and the humans should give up all power they have and be forced to kneel to Geth masters

[James2912]

Yeti13 wrote...

and the humans should give up all power they have and be forced to kneel to Geth masters

Over my dead body!

[Zing Freelancer]

Airlock the bunch and be done with it, I mean, its okay to fix mistakes.

[Yeti13]

James2912 wrote...

Yeti13 wrote...

and the humans should give up all power they have and be forced to kneel to Geth masters

Over my dead body!

Death to the infection of Citadel space known as the Humans, Only all hail the Geth, Salrians, Turians, Asari, Quarians, Elcor, Voulus, Drell, Hanar, etc.:O:O:O 

[DPSSOC]

Xilizhra wrote...

Quite so. I'd be happy to kill you if I met you in the ME universe. Well, not happy, but I wouldn't terribly regret it.

You'd be surprised how often I hear that.  Price I pay for being me I guess.