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[mesmerizedish]

So, the game spans ten years, yeah? But... at what point during those ten years is Cassandra talking with Varric? I think you can see where I'm going with this.

There has to be some sort of resolution to Cassandra's and Varric's little chat. "Omigorsh, the world is spiralling into chaos, Hawke do want!" And then Varric is all, "So, here's what's going on with Hawke and why he ripped your precious Chantry seven new ones (possibly)."

And then, The End.

Really, BioWare? You're gonna pull something like that on us? That's, like, a hugetastic, giganimous cliffhanger. Now, if you're gonna add three more chapters (a la Throne of Bhaal), then awesome! But Shadows of Amn didn't end on as big a cliffhanger as DAII seems like it might.

But, what if Cassandra and Varric are talking in, say, year eight of tht tale? Have the devs ever actually said "Yeah, Cassandra and Varric, that's totally year ten in our timeline"?

Thoughts?

[bsbcaer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

So, the game spans ten years, yeah? But... at what point during those ten years is Cassandra talking with Varric? I think you can see where I'm going with this.

There has to be some sort of resolution to Cassandra's and Varric's little chat. "Omigorsh, the world is spiralling into chaos, Hawke do want!" And then Varric is all, "So, here's what's going on with Hawke and why he ripped your precious Chantry seven new ones (possibly)."

And then, The End.

Really, BioWare? You're gonna pull something like that on us? That's, like, a hugetastic, giganimous cliffhanger. Now, if you're gonna add three more chapters (a la Throne of Bhaal), then awesome! But Shadows of Amn didn't end on as big a cliffhanger as DAII seems like it might.

But, what if Cassandra and Varric are talking in, say, year eight of tht tale? Have the devs ever actually said "Yeah, Cassandra and Varric, that's totally year ten in our timeline"?

Thoughts?

Cassandra is interrogating Varric in the present (ie. at the end of the decade) and the game is being told completely in flashbacks and will (presumably) catch up to the present.

[mesmerizedish]

"The present" is too subjective a term. And my question is, where has that been confirmed? We're all assuming that they're conversing at the end of our decade, but what if they're not?

[jontepwn]

I was under the impression that we play the ten years as Hawke and then play the resolution, that is after the interrogation is finished. Like Black Ops.

[DarthCaine]

I'm pretty sure DA2 won't end on a cliff hangar. Most framed narratives spend 90% of the time retelling while picking up in real time for the finale resolution

jontepwn wrote...

I was under the impression that we play the ten years as Hawke and then play the resolution, that is after the interrogation is finished. Like Black Ops.

This

Modifié par DarthCaine, 12 février 2011 - 10:46 .

[XBenotto18]

alpha protocall did a frame narrative and had the last part in present for the final resolution. da 2 will probably do the same

Modifié par XBenotto18, 12 février 2011 - 10:48 .

[Alfa Kilo]

It could also be that the interrogation is taking place several years after the decade that we get to play

[Russalka]

Varric might not be the only narrator. And what makes you think it will be like you described?

[bsbcaer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

"The present" is too subjective a term. And my question is, where has that been confirmed? We're all assuming that they're conversing at the end of our decade, but what if they're not?

Then they have defined the term "frame narrative" in a way that has never ever ever been used before...

[mesmerizedish]

AleshCZ wrote...

It could also be that the interrogation is taking place several years after the decade that we get to play

Well, that makes even less sense!

Anyway, the devs have just been pretty tight-lipped about the structure of the story. On one hand, I love it, because I'll go into the game oblivious to what it's going to throw at me. The film Inception was the same way. I don't even know what the major conflicts are going to be, and it's all going to be a surprise. Yay! But, on the other hand, when I finish the game, am I going to feel like I've finished a game? 

They've said that the game as about answering the who/what/why of the Champion of Kirkwall: who she is, what she's done, and why she's done it... and when we answer those questions, the game's over. So, Varric answers those questions for Cassandra, and then...? There's still the whole reason Cassandra's there in the first place.

[mesmerizedish]

bsbcaer wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

"The present" is too subjective a term. And my question is, where has that been confirmed? We're all assuming that they're conversing at the end of our decade, but what if they're not?

Then they have defined the term "frame narrative" in a way that has never ever ever been used before...

Not at all. They've also never said that Varric's story is the entire framed narrative part. If Varric's story is just eight years, and it finishes from there, then it's still a framed narrative for those eight years.

[JrayM16]

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.



A more likely ending is one like Alpha Protocol, where you go to the end of the framed narrative, flip back to the hero and resolve the plot. I expect a similar ending will be possible with DA2.

[XBenotto18]

I'm sure that bioware wouldn't end the game with a blank. they said that with the frame narrative really works

[mesmerizedish]

JrayM16 wrote...

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

A more likely ending is one like Alpha Protocol, where you go to the end of the framed narrative, flip back to the hero and resolve the plot. I expect a similar ending will be possible with DA2.

I'm not assuming anything... that's my whole point. We've been assuming for months, and I'm running away with possibilities And I've never played Alpha Protocol, but it seems like Cassandra's plot threads are a little big for some quick resolution. A years-long story doesn't culminate in an hour-long climax. It seems pretty epic, and there needs to be an equally epic resolution.

[Malevolence65]

They already said that Cassandra is a very important character in DA3.

[mesmerizedish]

Malevolence65 wrote...

They already said that Cassandra is a very important character in DA3.

OMIGORSH SOURCE IS SHE AN LI?!?!

That was a joke.

[kalassy]

What I'm more worried about is how will DLC work exactly? Will Varric be telling Cassandra more chapters? If not, then surely the game HAS to end after Varric gets done telling Cassandra the story and has to be in the present.

[JrayM16]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

A more likely ending is one like Alpha Protocol, where you go to the end of the framed narrative, flip back to the hero and resolve the plot. I expect a similar ending will be possible with DA2.

I'm not assuming anything... that's my whole point. We've been assuming for months, and I'm running away with possibilities And I've never played Alpha Protocol, but it seems like Cassandra's plot threads are a little big for some quick resolution. A years-long story doesn't culminate in an hour-long climax. It seems pretty epic, and there needs to be an equally epic resolution.

Who says one hour can't be epic? 

For what it's worth, I've never seen a framed narrative not resolve it's own plot in some way.  It is possible that not all the plot would be resolved in the end, but the essential plot would.

[bsbcaer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

"The present" is too subjective a term. And my question is, where has that been confirmed? We're all assuming that they're conversing at the end of our decade, but what if they're not?

Then they have defined the term "frame narrative" in a way that has never ever ever been used before...

Not at all. They've also never said that Varric's story is the entire framed narrative part. If Varric's story is just eight years, and it finishes from there, then it's still a framed narrative for those eight years.

Ok...they have said:  (a) the story will be telling a decade in the life of the Champion of Kirkwall, Hawke, ( the story will be told in a framed narrative with Varric telling the storry to Cassandra.  Going by those two points, the present (ie. the time period at which V is being interrogated by Cass) is at the end of the ten year period. 

Now, this is not to say that the game won't extend past the ten year period (which is one option) or that the story may simply end at the year of the 10 year period with a cliffhanger into DA3...

[XBenotto18]

Were going to have to wait and see. the devs aren't going to tell us how it works without spoiling anything

[mesmerizedish]

XBenotto18 wrote...

Were going to have to wait and see. the devs aren't going to tell us how it works without spoiling anything

I knoooooooooow, and I'm getting my panties into such a bunch over it I don't even want any sort of specific affirmation of any sort of structure. I'd be happy if Mr. Laidlaw would just say "When you finish the game, you'll know you've finished a game." What he said about the game and its resolution during the live stream yesterday has just left me a tad troubled.

[GuldiienDAO]

Malevolence65 wrote...

They already said that Cassandra is a very important character in DA3.

Where/when was this said?

[Lirea Dragonage]

I'm hoping we cut to a final Varric and Cassandra scene and then Hawke crashes through the door and yells "Get your hands off my dwarf, woman!"
Credits roll.

Modifié par Lirea Dragonage, 12 février 2011 - 11:23 .

[Ensgnblack]

I'll tell you in March.

[Dr. wonderful]

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm pretty sure DA2 won't end on a cliff hangar. Most framed narratives spend 90% of the time retelling while picking up in real time for the finale resolution

jontepwn wrote...

I was under the impression that we play the ten years as Hawke and then play the resolution, that is after the interrogation is finished. Like Black Ops.

This

I Agree with Heath ledger.