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[Aristorum]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela and Anders.

[Maria Caliban]

Ryzaki wrote...

And how exactly does being virginal make you straight?

I'll field that one to Dhiro.

Dhiro, how does the straight <=> virgin thing work?

[Count Viceroy]

Dhiro wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

In an rpg, this is not my biggest concern. It's become a bit of an obsession with Bioware fans to say the least, the whole romance bit. This has to be said. Are they making a romance sim game or an RPG? Let's move beyond this, I say.

I'm sorry, but while I would like bi and gay options, I don't understand the obsession with this.

It's a feature, just like putting armors and weapons in your character. Just like roleplaying. Some people like a feature more than another. I don't see the problem here.

It's a feature he doesn't rate as high as another, suprisingly enough people doesn't feel as he does. Therefore it needs to be questioned.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 13 février 2011 - 02:42 .

[tmp7704]

slimgrin wrote...

Are they making a romance sim game, or an RPG?

I'd view roleplaying a romance as part of roleplaying the character in general. As such, there's no "or" to speak of.

[Dhiro]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dhiro wrote...


I don't see how being a narrator makes him less LI than Fenris. And I'm sure Bioware can find a excuse for why he's appearing in the new game just as easily - romances don't need to end with you and Varric holding hands and walking in the generic direction of the sunshine.

Also, I'm sure you can be Isabela's lover or friend, and this don't make her less LI.

I already gave my reasoning. You don't have to agree with it. 

...Though what does that last sentence mean? I never said you couldn't be friends. I said the narration would change to reflect that. Why would Varric talk about a lover the same way he would a rival/friend? Why would he treat a lover on the friend path the same way he would one on the lover path? Would he describe them in the same way? 

Not every little sentence need to change. Let's say, Alistair liked to call you 'my love'. Varric don't really looks like the type who would do this, and 'he did' is as good as 'my love did', 'my buddy did' or even 'that bastard did'. I just don't see how this stop him of being a LI.

[Cat Fancy]

Ladies: Isabela, duh.



Dudes: It seems exceedingly likely that it's Fenris, to me, for reasons that others have already mentioned. Anders expressed an interest in ladies but no such thing for guys in Awakening and Justice was probably asexual. As for Varric, the world at large just isn't ready for dwarfmance (yikes puns). Plus, again, he's the narrator. Too central a character for romance of any kind, I think. You really don't need to know anything about Fenris, save that he is attractive and more tall than short, for him to be a strong contender for the bi dude LI.



There could be surprises. But I doubt there will surprises.

[Dhiro]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And how exactly does being virginal make you straight?

I'll field that one to Dhiro.

Dhiro, how does the straight virgin thing work?

Demonic posession, darling.

[Ryzaki]

@Dhiro: I just don't see it changing because of the fact of breaking up. Why wouldn't he be bitter about being dumped? Would he be okay with it? Does it change if he did the breaking up? What if Hawke gets a new LI?



Too many variables.

[andrie]

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[Dhiro]

That depends of Varric personality. Leliana takes the dumped part HORRIBLY, but Morrigan... not really. I think Varric is the type of person that would get over it, eventually. Also, he's telling a story, he is a storyteller after all, saying that Hawke is a traitor son of a **** won't do much for the story.

[payroo]

*claws at Varric*



I want my bear m/m romance! *^*

[Blacklash93]

Straight LI's are always the primary and mandatory companions. It's been confirmed you have to meet both Anders and Merrill to advance the plot. Same with Alistair and Morrigan



Bi LI's tend to be secondary comapanions that can be skipped over, which Isabela and Fenris are confirmed to be as well. Leliana and Zevran were the same.

[tmp7704]

Ryzaki wrote...

Why wouldn't he be bitter about being dumped? Would he be okay with it? Does it change if he did the breaking up? What if Hawke gets a new LI?

Too many variables.

Maybe his professional pride of an acknowledged story-teller would prevent him from allowing personal bias run his mouth.

edit: although slightly more serious, this is actually made part of game mechanics, i believe -- if you have positive relationship with Varric then your character and other companions all get a buff, with description that's Varric embelishing the story for your benefit. If your relationship is instead rivalry, then Varric only increases his own role and only he gets the buff

Modifié par tmp7704, 13 février 2011 - 02:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Dhiro wrote...

That depends of Varric personality. Leliana takes the dumped part HORRIBLY, but Morrigan... not really. I think Varric is the type of person that would get over it, eventually. Also, he's telling a story, he is a storyteller after all, saying that Hawke is a traitor son of a **** won't do much for the story.

/shrugs

I just don't see it. 

And if he has no reaction I don't see that as a good reflection of how much Hawke may have meant to him. It cheapens the relationship. 

[Ryzaki]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Why wouldn't he be bitter about being dumped? Would he be okay with it? Does it change if he did the breaking up? What if Hawke gets a new LI?

Too many variables.

Maybe his professional pride of an acknowledged story-teller would prevent him from allowing personal bias run his mouth.

That's exactly why regardless of how Hawke really looks he describes the default Hawke in the beginning exaggerated scenes. 

[mesmerizedish]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Straight LI's are always the primary and mandatory companions. It's been confirmed you have to meet both Anders and Merrill to advance the plot. Same with Alistair and Morrigan

Bi LI's tend to be secondary comapanions that can be skipped over, which Isabela and Fenris are confirmed to be as well. Leliana and Zevran were the same.

Faulty logic. The only precedent is Origins, and one example does not a pattern make. That said, I think Merrill/Anders will be straight romances and Isabela and Fenris will be bi romances, but not for your reasons.

[slimgrin]

I don't view romance as important as the other elements of gameplay: combat, tactics, exploration, loot, etc..

I've started threads on such topics; they quickly get marginalized. But threads about who we can f*ck seem to go on forever.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 février 2011 - 02:52 .

[Dhiro]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

That depends of Varric personality. Leliana takes the dumped part HORRIBLY, but Morrigan... not really. I think Varric is the type of person that would get over it, eventually. Also, he's telling a story, he is a storyteller after all, saying that Hawke is a traitor son of a **** won't do much for the story.

/shrugs

I just don't see it. 

And if he has no reaction I don't see that as a good reflection of how much Hawke may have meant to him. It cheapens the relationship. 

Not at all. He can show Hawke how much he means to him in the gameplay, in conversations, romantic scenes. He doesn't need to brag about how the Champion is the light of his life to everyone and this doesn't make his love any less 'love'.

[Ryzaki]

I never said he would do that.

But I personally wouldn't describe (or even know) as much about a lover as I would a friend.

That said I want everyone to be bi so Hawke can have a nice harem and everyone could have some fun. 

I know Isabela would be down for that.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 02:56 .

[Dhiro]

slimgrin wrote...

I don't view romance as important as the other elements of gameplay: combat, tactics, exploration, loot, etc..

I've started threads on such topics; they quickly get marginalized. But threads about who we can f*ck seem to go on forever.

Well, good for you. Sadly, you can't control what other people like - if things like combat, tactis, exploration, loot, etecetera are considered less important than romance, there's little we can do about it.

[tmp7704]

Ryzaki wrote...

That's exactly why regardless of how Hawke really looks he describes the default Hawke in the beginning exaggerated scenes. 

I believe that's merely result of same thinking that put character creation in ME2 after some 10 minutes of gameplay and cutscenes. And one that will be equally reviled.

[Dhiro]

Ryzaki wrote...

I never said he would do that.

But I personally wouldn't describe (or even know) as much about a lover as I would a friend.

I would. Funny, eh?

[mesmerizedish]

slimgrin wrote...

I don't view romance as important as the other elements of gameplay: combat, tactics, exploration, loot, etc..

I've started threads on such topics; they quickly get marginalized. But threads about who we can f*ck seem to go on forever.

It's not as important as other elements of gameplay, because it's not an element of gameplay. It's an element of the storytelling. The player needs a way to connect to the world and the characters. Romances are one way. Other ways are dealing with real-word topics like racism (the elves),  the interference of the Church in affairs of state (the Chantry), and the demonization of the objects of our fear (mages).

[Ryzaki]

tmp7704 wrote...
I believe that's merely result of same thinking that put character creation in ME2 after some 10 minutes of gameplay and cutscenes. And one that will be equally reviled.

Oh I can't wait for the complaining to hit. 

"WTF is that? That's not my Hawke? WTH BW!" 

And I will be the one in the back nodding in agreement.  

Not to mention dependin on your Hawke it looks a bit...odd. 

Somehow black Hawke's legend was morphed to make him look white. That's really nice. 

[tmp7704]

slimgrin wrote...

I don't view romance as important as the other elements of gameplay: combat, tactics, exploration, loot, etc..

I've started threads on such topics; they quickly get marginalized. But threads about who we can f*ck seem to go on forever.

I recall the thread about importance of loot and xp in the game and how they should be implemented go on for dozens of pages, if nothing else.