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[Abispa]

@ Cutlass Jack -- No, I DID NOT forget about EDI. Whether or not EDI can fly the ship alone or not, Joker is still a pilot and not a marine, and LOOK! The ship doesn't punch it until Joker is at the helm. So I guess that means EDI is in on the stupidity.

[AdmiralCheez]

EVERYONE can use assault rifles in cutscenes.

[Moronic Fool]

Unfortuntaely I'm a bit butthurt over the fact that Bioware isn't being realistic.

[JRCHOharry]

Joker's a boss, he can fire anything he wants to. I'd edit the some files to give him a Cain if I could.

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 14 février 2011 - 05:55 .

[Manic Sheep]

Abispa wrote...

My own issue with him firing the gun is NOT him having a disease, but that the PILOT is playing Rambo when he should have his foot next to gas to step on it the very second Shepard gets aboard. Not only is the so-called best pilot in the galaxy putting himself in harm's way, but now the beat up and wounded crew has to hope to God the guy with the bum legs can run up to the driver's seat fast enough. I'm sure the developers thought the scene looked cool, but I was rolling my eyes and laughing my ass off the first time I saw. If it makes it to the movie that film is going to get skewered.

EDI has control of the ship. Joker dying would not screw them over. They would have had to use Joker if they wanted and all purpose scene anyway. He is the only one guaranteed to survive.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 14 février 2011 - 07:40 .

[MrCairo]

Moronic Fool wrote...

Unfortuntaely I'm a bit butthurt over the fact that Bioware isn't being realistic.

No offence, but this is a Sci-Fi setting, how realistic do you want it to be?

[Gravity Bun]

I just assumed that as this is sci fi that assault rifles have lots of dampening to lessen recoil.

[Wulfram]

He firing the magic cutscene assault rifle can be used by anyone and summoned from nowhere

[TheAwesomologist]

This always bugged me at the end of ME 2. Especially since in all my play throughs the whole squad survives.

You're telling me that some how Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, or Jacob (who should already be on board after holding the line) wouldn't tell Joker to get back into the cockpit while they take care of the Collectors? Joker should only have been the one firing the the AR if no one else survived. Hell even Chakwas would have been more believable.

Oh well in the end the scene lasts what? 15 seconds? Not that big of a deal.

[Valikdu]

The ship is supposed to have a Gardian system. Which can be used with precision against ground targets (see ME: Revelation). But apparently they forgot to install one (also see: oculus).

[Bluko]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

EVERYONE can use assault rifles in cutscenes.

Shaman:"Hah! I like this human, he understands!"

I've never understood why in the suicide mission everyone was using assault rifles. Perhaps they had planned to make ME2 like ME1. But then again in other cutscenes characters use appropriate weapons. They could have given everyone pistols since technically everyone should be trained to use those. Although then again characters like Garrus can't actually use pistols in-game.

As for Joker I believe only his legs are really brittle, otherwise he's fine. Also this is Joker the only man who can claim to have killed a Reaper.

[Tamahome560]

Wulfram wrote...

He firing the magic cutscene assault rifle can be used by anyone and summoned from nowhere

This.

But in reality Joker wouldn't break his arm since it is only his legs that are brittle. What Joker said about breaking his arm at the Collectors was just a metaphor for the fact that he would be useless at trying to fight off the Collectors that invaded the Normandy ... even more so than other crew members.

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm it really depends some guns have massive blowback action apperances but moderate recoil such as many modern Assualt Rifles or even sniper rifles. I've shot an SVD and I own a couple of mosins. Round is the same, Kick back apperance is the same. But take my word for it the Mosin has much more kick given the way the guns are built. Its like the 44 Magnum versus a S&W 500. the later is MUCH larger uses a heavier more powerful 50. cal round. Yet the 44 will smack you in the face if not careful. The S&W 500 was made in a way so that recoil would be much less, namely the compensator helps with this. So while both are heavy large hard hitting guns, the older former one giving a small person or Woman to shoot can make for some funny Youtube video's, while the 500 can be shot by even a small woman. (not being sexist most men tend to have more upper body strength.)



Point is for all we know that handgun's kick may be like a 22. lr which even with Jokers condition should not harm him at all.

[didymos1120]

Bluko wrote...
 But then again in other cutscenes characters use appropriate weapons.

Uh, sometimes yes, but many times they don't.  During "Hold the Line", whoever answers uses an SMG, regardless of whether they carry one.  There are a few scenes where people will use pistols, despite not carrying those.

Then there's the occasional oddity where someone starts out with one weapon, but after a cut is using another.  Shep does that when confronting the Shadow Broker.  You'll point an SMG at him initially, but it magically becomes a pistol one cut later. Pretty sure it's always the Carnifex, too.   True: Shep always has access to those two weapon types, but it's still an example of a scripted cutscene gun appearing without explanation.

Also, no matter what squadmate you bring, after he makes his comment about them, any non-SMG-using person will suddenly be using the Shuriken.  Liara uses one in that scene too, which is odd because your other SMG-using squadmates will actually use the one they're carrying. Except Mordin, who has a pistol in that shot for some reason.  In fact, after the Avenger, the Shuriken seems to be next on the list of cutscene go-to guns.  They're always popping up in various "Squad points guns at chattering bad guys" shots throughout the game.

[ADLegend21]

Moronic Fool wrote...

How come Joker could shoot a gun without breaking his bones? Wouldn't the kickback and recoil haave broken them? Even more so with an ASSAULT RIFLE. What do you think?

He underwent the heavy bone weave upgrade when Shep gets it.

[nevar00]

He's not THAT weak. Besides, I'm sure the adrenaline kicked in and he wanted to kick some ass for losing the ship before.

[HTTP 404]

Im sure it did hurt him to use it but when is a better time to use it but to save shepard? He still has the weight to withstand recoil but Im sure he cracked a bone or two.

[SnakeStrike8]

Joker's not a particularily good helmsman. We should know this by now, given how he flat-out refused to abandon ship when his CO issued an abandon ship order and then he jumps up to fire a gun at Collectors when he should be at the helm, reeady to receive orders and execute them.

EDIT: Okay, 'not a particularily good helmsman' is the wrong phrase; 'not a very subordinate helmsman' would be a better phrase. I cal tell you that if I ever refused to jump ship when my officer told me to and/or abandoned my post when the ship was at general quarters, I'd be sitting in a shipman's council with at least three officers deciding what my fate will be. In all probability, it would be something very nasty.

[Iron Ranger]

Its his personal assult rifle with low FPS rounds the give back little or no kick. Most likely weak against armor but great against barriars.

[Pauravi]

Moronic Fool wrote...

Unfortuntaely I'm a bit butthurt over the fact that Bioware isn't being realistic.

The thing is, I don't think you're being realistic about the extent of Joker's abilities.  His bones may be relatively brittle, but they aren't like Christmas ornaments.  His legs can still support his whole weight -- which is a LOT more strain than resisting recoil, I can promise you that.

[VonStrangle]

I don't remember exactly, but doesn't it say in a codex or something that kickback on weapons has been drastically reduced due to the non-use of gunpowder in future guns?

I can't remember, but I swear I read something like that somewhere. Also, if that excuse isn't valid, then we can liken it to comics: a characters powers are only viable when the plot calls for it. Joker's powers being to break limbs at people, etc. Kind of like how Spider-Man's Spider Sense only works when it is called for it, story wise.

Modifié par VonStrangle, 16 février 2011 - 07:34 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Well, are we talking pre-retcon or post retcon? In ME1 it was just his legs that were brittle, his upper body was fine.



Now in ME2 they talk about breaking thumbs on mute buttons and broken ribs at the slightest impact.

[Kekkis]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Well, are we talking pre-retcon or post retcon? In ME1 it was just his legs that were brittle, his upper body was fine.

Now in ME2 they talk about breaking thumbs on mute buttons and broken ribs at the slightest impact.

I was thinking that he is just making up some bad jokes. Like real human would do with his friends time to time.

[Razor_Zeng]

didymos1120 wrote...

Then there's the occasional oddity where someone starts out with one weapon, but after a cut is using another.  Shep does that when confronting the Shadow Broker.  You'll point an SMG at him initially, but it magically becomes a pistol one cut later. Pretty sure it's always the Carnifex, too.   True: Shep always has access to those two weapon types, but it's still an example of a scripted cutscene gun appearing without explanation.

Wrong. Soldier Shep can not use SMGs as s/he has access to Assault rifles.

[didymos1120]

Razor_Zeng wrote...

Wrong. Soldier Shep can not use SMGs as s/he has access to Assault rifles.

That's right. Forgot about that.  I hardly ever play Soldier.  Well, then that makes the scenes where Soldier Shep sports a Shuriken as bad as the random Avengers for squadmates.