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[mousestalker]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

erilben wrote...

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

If you want huge backstory, that would be dwarf noble. The city elf has as much if not more of an axe to grind with Howe and Loghain.

All the origins are canon. Some are longer than others.

City Elf has no personal experiences with either to facilitate hatred towards them other than the fact they are humans, and nobles at that.

They sold the city elf's friends and family into slavery.

Oh damn, forgot about that, you are right.
However I think destroying the entire family line except for yourself is far more evil than giving the go-ahead to enslave alienage elves. The fact that the HN family is targeted and the elves are random is much more evil. Deep down, I also believe Loghain had decent intentions at heart (However he still must die) and only supported the enslavement of those elves because he believed it would help ferelden

You may believe whatever you wish. What we know from inside the game is that Howe led a purge of the alienage and sealed it off. Loghain ordered the elves sold.

As far as the Couslands go, only Howe is culpable. Loghain learned of what happened at Highever from Howe as a fait accompli.

You prefer the noble origin. Many people do. That doesn't make it the preferred canonical origin.

The name of the game is Origins. It was designed to introduce players to the world of Thedas and give them a feel for all the different races and cultures. To that extent every origin is canon. That also means it's a shame that the human commoner, apostate mage and human barbarian origins were never put in.

Modifié par mousestalker, 14 février 2011 - 11:30 .

[Creature 1]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

Oh damn, forgot about that, you are right.
However I think destroying the entire family line except for yourself is far more evil than giving the go-ahead to enslave alienage elves. The fact that the HN family is targeted and the elves are random is much more evil. Deep down, I also believe Loghain had decent intentions at heart (However he still must die) and only supported the enslavement of those elves because he believed it would help ferelden

So wrong on so many levels. . . 

[Ndutz]

Dayshadow wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

Unless it's possible to see the dalish warden when you go visit his clan, the dalish elf is not a legitimate origin unless you did the ultimate sacrifice.

Im not sure what you saying.

The Dalish elf has the option to return to his clan, the same clan that you visit in DA2.  If you opted to go back and he's not there then it kinda invalidates the decision.

In DA2 Hawke's visit the Marethary Clan while the Blight is still going on. Your Warden would still be in Ferelden fighting the blight. But i really really hope there will be some reference to your warden returning to your clan afterwards.

[TexasToast712]

Dwarf Commoner

Violent little bastard doesnt care who he kills as long as he is killing something. Howe and Loghain better run.

[erilben]

Most people played human noble. You can even look at a lot of those "human noble is canon" people's profiles and see many only ever played HN. They don't even have other origin achievements unlocked. This is just that stupid "what I played is canon. lol"

[TexasToast712]

erilben wrote...

Most people played human noble. You can even look at a lot of those "human noble is canon" people's profiles and see many only ever played HN. They don't even have other origin achievements unlocked. This is just that stupid "what I played is canon. lol"

I've never played Mage or Rogue. Not my style, neither are little elves with sticks so that leaves me 3 choices. Noble
Human, Noble Dwarf, and Commoner Dwarf. I prefer Commoner Dwarf.

[Slavka13748]

Eh, I don't really think any of the origins is more canonical than the rest, though I'd lean towards the human noble. Only because they can marry Anora / Alistair.

[Last Darkness]

Female Human Noble, or any sex Dahlish Elf are my votes still. The plot options and refrences in the game point to these two the most. DLC, Dragonage 2, etc.



Magi really only get to be Hawkes cousin, and Anders schoolmate.

Dwarf(Both) not really important to anything though some added dialog in Golems of Amgarrok.

City Elf, Not important.



Dahlish has the most freedom and objectivity of any Origin. Also is refrenced in several of the DLC and Expansion, and is relavant to DA 2 since your Tribe returns and Merril is back. (Also get a special scene with Ghoul Tabris in camp during the ambush)



Female Noble Warden, probably the most important character in reguards to the plot as you go through it in Dragonage. Even more so if you romance Alistair and become Queen.

[Ferretinabun]

Though I agree that Bioware have clearly tried not to make a canon Origin, some are better integrated into the core game than others.

The Human Noble touches the main plot at many points, but there are also discrepancies. Flemeth saving Dog, has been mentioned. But at Ostagar, Jory also mentions that he has just been selected as a Grey Warden recruit after he won a joust at Highever. Which is where the HN lives and has just come from, despite apparently knowing nothing about Jory.

To my mind, Dalish Elf, Dwarf Noble and Dwarf Commoner break emersion slightly by explaining things about their respective culture which your warden should logically know. I'm thinking specifically about the caste system for Dwarves, and though I don't remember exactly what they were, one or two things Lanaya said about the Dalish made me think 'I know. I am one.' Necessary from the point of view of telling a story, but it makes slightly more sense if your warden is not one.

Important points about magic are explained in the mage origin, but that makes sense since the Harrowing is apparently a secret, and you can presume initiates are really kept in the dark. And I can't remember any immersion-breakers in City Elf, so I'm going with mage and city elf as most 'canon'.

[1Nosphorus1]

Are there any words on how the origins will effect dragon age 2?

[Last Darkness]

Actualy I can end the arguments here. While Bioware does not have a single Cannon Origin they have established a Default choice system. This can been seen by Alistairs choices in Darkspawn Chronicles, The Orlesian Warden can see its effects in Awakening and also Biowware has 3 established "Defaults" routes to choose from in DA2 if you are not importing.

“Hero of Ferelden” (Default )

Ended Fifth Blight by killing Archdemon and survived. Placed Alistair on the throne.
“The Martyr”

Young Dalish Elf who died to kill the Archdemon. She left the kingdom ruled by Alisair and Anora.
“No Compromise”

Dwarven noble took command of Grey Wardens. Exiled Alistair, sent
Loghain to his death against Archdemon, and left Anora as Ferelden’s
ruler.

Hero of Ferelden: This appears to be the only “Morrigan’s dark ritual” ending of the three but is the default. The option (or at least GameZone’s description of it) doesn’t specific a race or gender of the Warden. However, considering that the other two include an elf and a dwarf, it would be reasonable to assume that this Warden was human.

The Martyr: Interesting about this one is it includes no information about what happened to Teryn Loghain. Although most people might end Loghain before having Alistair and Anora marry, it is possible to keep him alive and have them wed then performed the Ultimate Sacrifice. We know that if Loghain survived Origins, he was recalled by the Wardens to serve in Orlais, far away from Kirkwall and the Free Marches.

No Compromise: This one sets up a couple of intriguing possibilities, the first being that Alistair is off wandering the world somewhere (likely drunk) and may be stumbled across in your adventures. The other thing of note is this is the only situation in which Anora is left to rule on her own.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 16 février 2011 - 12:23 .

[Jackvus]

From what I have seen the Human Female Mage Origin is related to if not being Hawke's Mother however this doesn't necessarily mean that this is the canon choice because the choice you make on your origin for your warden means that you are playing that origin yes. But it doesn't mean that all other origins are wiped from existence i mean the Dalish origin appears in Witch Hunt With the tale of the mirror.





And references:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Hawke

http://social.biowar...62&lf=8#4963604

[Felfenix]

If Bioware had to pick a "canon" hero for DAO, I'm sure they'd pick Human Noble Male, even though it's the worst, IMO.

[seramiran]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

Oh damn, forgot about that, you are right.
However I think destroying the entire family line except for yourself is far more evil than giving the go-ahead to enslave alienage elves. The fact that the HN family is targeted and the elves are random is much more evil. Deep down, I also believe Loghain had decent intentions at heart (However he still must die) and only supported the enslavement of those elves because he believed it would help ferelden

Soooooo ... if a company dumps chemicals that poison the water supply and cause people to die slowly and horribly of cancer over 30 years or more it is OK because they did not plan to target specific individuals for death?

If you knowingly cause or risk causing harm or death to another for personal gain of some sort IT IS WRONG. Equally wrong. The reason for the action is the same, the action is the same, the outcome is the same (or reasonably forseeable as such), the callous disregard is the same.

Note: Personal gain can include satisfying some twisted hatred you may harbor.

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The whole game is about a group of people who get together to save others. This rescue is made possible only by disparate groups actively working together and supporting each other. Each being belongs to a group that has been treated badly and treated others badly. They each have been betrayed or cast out of their respective group losing much of the basis for how they form their identity. They each need to rebuild their identity, while working together in spite of socially implanted distrust of each other. For each the group helps them regain their identity and become better people. But each needs to step out of, go beyond, the role society would assign to them to make their own role, and by defying the prescribed relationships be effective in saving the very people who would have trapped them in a life-long role that would have kept them from being able to 'save Ferelden'. That includes Sten, the enemy foreigner.

I know you can strip the party down, kill off potential party members, but still; the loss of identity, building your own, and defying/rejecting society's standards and restrictions is necessary for success.

That is what you find in every origin and in each of the (potential) party members.

Trying to find and belong to 'the right group' is part of the problem of Ferelden society. Defying that is the solution.

Modifié par seramiran, 23 février 2011 - 09:17 .

[LycaNinja]

Jackvus wrote...

From what I have seen the Human Female Mage Origin is related to if not being Hawke's Mother however this doesn't necessarily mean that this is the canon choice because the choice you make on your origin for your warden means that you are playing that origin yes. But it doesn't mean that all other origins are wiped from existence i mean the Dalish origin appears in Witch Hunt With the tale of the mirror. <br />
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And references:<br />
http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Hawke<br />
http://social.biowar...62&lf=8#4963604

Female Human Mage is 100% confirmed as NOT BEING HAWKE'S MOTHER... When you play through and you are leaving Lothering with Alistair, Morrigan, etc. they are later leaving lothering being attacked with they're mother so yeah...

Human Noble Male... As an Amell Mage why is it that I was sent to the Mage's Tower instead of being trained as an apostate like everyone else magical in my family? I believe the Human Mage is a cousin since they appear the same age or around it but who knows you can have an uncle/aunt at your age so idk...

Modifié par Zeke Calder, 04 mars 2011 - 11:32 .

[GRX Dragon]

Last Darkness wrote...

To get into detail though....I get a very clear Feeling the Game wanted you to be a Female Noble+Alistair. But a few other Origins are important.

It does 'feel' that way, but as I've heard before here, the problem may very well have been the other origins just didn't receive as much treatment.

erilben wrote...

Human noble made no sense a lot of the times. Like how does the dog get to Flemeth's hut? And then I deleted my human noble after Alistair "forgot" what happened the HN's family when I had just told him.

Well, it's a Mubari Warhound, and they're effing smart. I think that says it all about that little part.

Zorr Crew wrote...

I'm sort of digging either of the elf origins, or dwarf for a good cannon actually. Mages and nobles are an extremely exceptional case for joining the Wardens, and Riorden makes it a point to say that many of the Warden ranks are filled with former criminals and castless and shady characters. <br />
While the Warden-Commander is exceptional, it would be a bigger twist of fate to have him/her be such a powerful person before induction into the Wardens.

As true as that may be, remember that many games out there have you playing an exceptional character anyways.

Topic - I'd go with Human F Noble or Elven F Magi.

[Ward Cleaver]

Does anyone know what bioware will use for the default canon in DA2 if the player never played DAO?

[Solo80]

Edit: Double post.

Modifié par Solo80, 05 mars 2011 - 03:54 .

[Solo80]

Ward Cleaver wrote...

Does anyone know what bioware will use for the default canon in DA2 if the player never played DAO?

Wow. Just wow.

Reading the posts in the thread you're posting to (in this case, say, the posts 4-5 above your own) is highly recommended. Helps you avoid looking like a complete

[caradoc2000]

Ward Cleaver wrote...

Does anyone know what bioware will use for the default canon in DA2 if the player never played DAO?

If you don't import a DAO save, you can pick one of the three default scenarios (listed above).

[WhiteKnyght]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Human Noble.. The whole related to Hawke thing.. which is a spoiler btw you probably should have clarified that. Will most likely only get a very brief mention in Dragon age 2. and your probably only his cousin or uncle.

There wont be any great development on it

Okay first, Hawke is related to the human magi, not the noble.

Magi = Amell
Noble = Cousland

But I do think the Human Noble is the more canon. Although technically every origin actually existed in the canon, but only one was recruited.

The human noble is more connected to the main events of the game than any other. Not only is he tasked with defeating the Archdemon but he's connected to Arl Howe and by extension Teryn Loghain(who may have actually ordered Howe to do what he did since Bryce was a Theirin Loyalist like Eamon) and the whole takeover thing.

[Rithmerdui]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Human Noble.. The whole related to Hawke thing.. which is a spoiler btw you probably should have clarified that. Will most likely only get a very brief mention in Dragon age 2. and your probably only his cousin or uncle.

There wont be any great development on it

Okay first, Hawke is related to the human magi, not the noble.

Magi = Amell
Noble = Cousland

But I do think the Human Noble is the more canon. Although technically every origin actually existed in the canon, but only one was recruited.

The human noble is more connected to the main events of the game than any other. Not only is he tasked with defeating the Archdemon but he's connected to Arl Howe and by extension Teryn Loghain(who may have actually ordered Howe to do what he did since Bryce was a Theirin Loyalist like Eamon) and the whole takeover thing.

I agree with you.

[yaw]

Dalish Elf has a lot of involvement, with Morrigan's Eluvian and being part of Merill's clan.

And they are the only Warden that is truly neutral and an outsider, as even the Dalish elves for the treaty are not part of your clan. 

Modifié par yaw, 11 juin 2011 - 05:18 .