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[Auroras]

Nemeriss wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Human Noble.. The whole related to Hawke thing.. which is a spoiler btw you probably should have clarified that. Will most likely only get a very brief mention in Dragon age 2. and your probably only his cousin or uncle.

There wont be any great development on it

Okay first, Hawke is related to the human magi, not the noble.

Magi = Amell
Noble = Cousland

But I do think the Human Noble is the more canon. Although technically every origin actually existed in the canon, but only one was recruited.

The human noble is more connected to the main events of the game than any other. Not only is he tasked with defeating the Archdemon but he's connected to Arl Howe and by extension Teryn Loghain(who may have actually ordered Howe to do what he did since Bryce was a Theirin Loyalist like Eamon) and the whole takeover thing.

I agree with you.

I agree on every point made here save the one I bolded. At Ostagar, your HN can meet Loghain. Even if you don't say 'my father was the teyrn of Highever', Loghain still recognizes you. Therefore, he would have tried to execute you then and there if he truly wanted the Couslands wiped out, wouldn't he? And one could also logically assume that he knew that Fergus was scouting in the Wilds... he could have had him killed, as well.

[Qis]

70% of the game is about solving human problem, so Human Noble is the canon. And Human Noble Female have more spice in the game and fit perfectly in every endings.

But yeah there is some illogical thing like how come a senior member of the order leaving everything to a junior member and a woman...i am not saying women can't lead but the act of a man leaving everything to a woman that is also a junior member who don't know anything about being a Grey warden is somewhat against "gentlemen-ship" and responsibility. If playing a female character of any origin making Alistair more weak of a character.

And also not fitting thing as Human Noble like how the dog end up in Flemeth hut, talking about the Fade with Wayne in Ostagar (like he/she know anything about the Fade anyway).

After Castle Cousland, his/her role as a NOBLE lost at all, just simply lost jut become ordinary person like anyone else. Only few recognize him/her but nothing significant. And also the past trauma (the whole family being murdered, lost land and home) not emotionally affected gameplay until meeting with Howe. (Alistair even forgot anything about the Warden). The game will push into solving so many plot and the warden past trauma just vanish.

In the landsmeet, he/she is just a Grey warden...his/her nobility background overshadowed. As the son/daughter of a Teyrn, he/she suppose to have more influence to the nobles rather just as a grey warden.

But as i said, Human Noble story and gameplay (especially female) is more fitting to the whole story and all endings. Just...Fergus appearance is sooooooooooooo disappointing. In my first time successful playthough i always wonder if i can find Fergus anywhere or the if there is a plot about his appearance or something...but in the end, he just appear and talk like i didn't search and worried for him for my entire life! No hugging, no tears...meh....

Modifié par Niza, 12 juin 2011 - 03:46 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Niza wrote...
In the landsmeet, he/she is just a Grey warden...his/her nobility background overshadowed. As the son/daughter of a Teyrn, he/she suppose to have more influence to the nobles rather just as a grey warden.

But as i said, Human Noble story and gameplay (especially female) is more fitting to the whole story and all endings. Just...Fergus appearance is sooooooooooooo disappointing. In my first time successful playthough i always wonder if i can find Fergus anywhere or the if there is a plot about his appearance or something...but in the end, he just appear and talk like i didn't search and worried for him for my entire life! No hugging, no tears...meh....

Hmm, I'm beginning to think you can read my mind. I also got a cheap lol that none of the highever forces at Ostagar recognised you or in fact just calls you a grey warden.

OMG this. So much. There was a hug mod I was hoping would fix this but strangely it was only for the origin. Who hugs their brother before going to bed anyway? They way the lines were delivered was also completely unemotional but the actor isn't bad, it's like they just got the wrong script. Although, it would seem normal if he only started speaking after a very long hug. But he should probably still cry shouldn't he? Poor Oren he was sooo cute.

Ahem, regarding the origins they probably wrote human noble first, but you can definitely tell the most effort went into Dwarf noble. It might fit the story better but the human origin itself is boring and one of few with no gender diferences.(I think)

[Rodxjurado]

and they made the suicidal dalish elf the canon

as most of us believed, the most logic choice for canon was human noble,as he was the one most involved with the game story (as loghain tyranny was even most central topic throughout the game that the darkspawn) also, it was kind of "confirmed" by some facts
he made the most sense in awakening (his conection with amaranthine, the howes,etc)
he made the most logic couple with morrigan and her witch hunt dlc
he was the default background story in dragon age 2
even mark darrah believed Human noble was the canon

i do believe bioware intented him to be canon warden all the time, but they "turn around" to the suicidal dalish elf because he was the warden who gave them more creative freedom
dalish elf is exactly the oposite as the human noble, he's alien, completely unrelated with everything in the campaing, even his clan moved away.
i through he was the least likely canon, and the sacrifice the least likely ending
but in the name of creative freedom bioware adopted both

bold move, it saved them the time to link facts,invent and set a future for the character, etc
and just focus on the new characters

[sylvanaerie]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Niza wrote...
In the landsmeet, he/she is just a Grey warden...his/her nobility background overshadowed. As the son/daughter of a Teyrn, he/she suppose to have more influence to the nobles rather just as a grey warden.

But as i said, Human Noble story and gameplay (especially female) is more fitting to the whole story and all endings. Just...Fergus appearance is sooooooooooooo disappointing. In my first time successful playthough i always wonder if i can find Fergus anywhere or the if there is a plot about his appearance or something...but in the end, he just appear and talk like i didn't search and worried for him for my entire life! No hugging, no tears...meh....

Hmm, I'm beginning to think you can read my mind. I also got a cheap lol that none of the highever forces at Ostagar recognised you or in fact just calls you a grey warden.

OMG this. So much. There was a hug mod I was hoping would fix this but strangely it was only for the origin. Who hugs their brother before going to bed anyway? They way the lines were delivered was also completely unemotional but the actor isn't bad, it's like they just got the wrong script. Although, it would seem normal if he only started speaking after a very long hug. But he should probably still cry shouldn't he? Poor Oren he was sooo cute.

Ahem, regarding the origins they probably wrote human noble first, but you can definitely tell the most effort went into Dwarf noble. It might fit the story better but the human origin itself is boring and one of few with no gender diferences.(I think)

Just to chime in on the subject of the Origin Hugs mod reasons for putting the hug in the origin.  I was involved in the playtesting of the mod.  The original idea for the mod came up when we discussed how disappointing it was to just speak to your family, no hugs at all in the origin. The modder gave a technical reason why it would be trickier at the end, but being I don't know much about the toolset, modding or computers in general I can't say why, but the whole reason behind the hug in the Origin was Fergus is leaving immediately after that conversation.  It's not a 'nite nite' hug its a 'goodbye' hug.  People may not hug their brothers before bed, but they do hug their brothers in farewell.  And its only there for a female warden, not a male.

Also, people grieve differently.  We don't know how many months/weeks Fergus has had to grieve over what's happened.  Him being all emotional and weepy months after the fact would seem odd to me.  He still expresses sadness, but he is in a public place at the time.  I imagine part of his response (or seeming lack) is "stiff upper lip" and all that.

I wrote a fanfic and posted it on FF.Net addressing his experiences after the origin and before the end of the game if you're interested.  Since the board isn't letting me post a link here, the only access I can offer is: I posted it under the pen name Ravenia and it can be accessed via my author profile on FF.Net.

Trying to address the post without too many spoilers as the author posted in a 'no spoilers' thread.  I apologize if I have said too much.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 05 novembre 2013 - 03:07 .

[Mike3207]

Rodxjurado wrote...

and they made the suicidal dalish elf the canon

They did not make him canon, it's default canon. Default in if you choose not to pick your own canon with the Keep, they'll create one you can use. They did the same thing with DA2, there were about 3 default back stories you could have picked.

Honestly, I think Bioware should just take a sword, and drive it into canon's heart. Just kill it and be done already.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Rodxjurado wrote...

i through he was the least likely canon, and the sacrifice the least likely ending
but in the name of creative freedom bioware adopted both

bold move, it saved them the time to link facts,invent and set a future for the character, etc
and just focus on the new characters

I think you misunderstand the plans they're setting forth a bit; they're going to have different in-game history programmed depending on the Warden imported, meaning they're going to invent something for each possible ending. The reason they made this the default (canon is a misleading term for this, and seems to have misled you) is so that a player who isn't importing (and has possibly never played any DA games apart from Inquisition) won't constantly hear about a different hero they probably don't care all that much about.