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[termokanden]

Completely off-topic now though. I don't personally like shielding powers apart from Tech Armor (no timer) because of the cooldown. It's not a bad choice though. I just prefer having to use my other powers correctly to survive, and then being able to use them more frequently.

Last time i checked the dictionary, aim meant directing something so that on releasing it collides with a target. Its different from selecting a target. So I can say my definition is more accurate according to the dictionary.

Absurd. You select a target by aiming (specifically, you direct your crosshairs close enough to the target). Furthermore, you decide the path of some powers by pointing in a specific direction.

Modifié par termokanden, 22 février 2011 - 02:08 .

[swn32]

Energy drain is nice power to have on geth levels, otherwise id go with barrier solely because of the lack of animation.

[swn32]

termokanden wrote...

Absurd. You select a target by aiming (specifically, you direct your crosshairs close enough to the target). Furthermore, you decide the path of some powers by pointing in a specific direction.

You are not aiming, you are just selecting a target. The path of the powers is also forced by the game to home in on the target which can again be selected by grossly pointing in the direction u want the projectile to arc. Its assisted aim if anything which is the same as the game aiming for you. Sometimes u dont even need direct LOS on ur targets to arc projectiles towards them. And sometimes u want to target something farther away but the crappy aim assist locks on a nearby target because that targets bounding box ocludes the other target.

Even the Grenade launcher has annoying aim assists which makes shooting fast flying targets hard. Even if you correctly lead the targets, the projectile tends to home in on them and ends up missing them.

Modifié par swn32, 22 février 2011 - 02:20 .

[termokanden]

swn32 wrote...
Its assisted aim if anything which is the same as the game aiming for you.

No, it means the game assists you in aiming. If the game aims for you, that's called auto-aim. It does snap to targets when you press the aim button, which is pretty much autoaim. But generally you have to aim biotics... With lots of assistance from the game.

Sometimes u dont even need direct LOS on ur targets to arc projectiles to them. And sometimes u want to target something farther away but the crappy aim assist locks on a nearby target because that tagets bounding box ocludes the other target.

But we do agree about the aim assist being crappy. I wish I could turn it off. Not the part that targets biotics, but the part that snaps your crosshairs to targets when you press aim and the part that moves your crosshairs when you are aiming at something.

Modifié par termokanden, 22 février 2011 - 02:31 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

its very useful if you're playing more of a defensive adept

i would advise stasis or reave for more of an agressive/offensive adept

[Talexe]

I've literally just finished with my Adept on Insanity and I recommend Barrier (Lv. 1). It gives a little boost when you need it and has saved my life many times! For some reason, I didn't use Medi-Gel for the entire game.



That said, I'm thinking of swapping out to Stasis having completed LotSB.

[sagefic]

I think so, yes.

I just finished my insanity run as a Bastion/Barrier adept and it was effective and a ton of fun.

I'm actually making a video tutorial about the adept class, about 8 short vids, and I'm going to cover bastion/barrier in vid #6. vids 7 and 8 will cover some of my battle strategy. just gluing together the footage...

short story - bastion/barrier is a different gameplay than reave/nemesis, but can be just as effective and just as fun.

[Sandbox47]

I just throw warps at the enemies until I have no need for staying in cover any more.

[termokanden]

No offense, but that sounds a bit boring. That's what I did on my first playthrough as an adept, and I really ended up hating the class.

Even worse - if that is truly how you want to play you should probably have picked a sentinel. With Power Armor they too get +15% power damage, but they can get 30% cooldown reduction with Guardian or a further +15% power damage from Raider. Sad but true. Sentinels are better at spamming Warp than adepts are.

Modifié par termokanden, 23 février 2011 - 12:57 .

[JaegerBane]

Sandbox47 wrote...

I just throw warps at the enemies until I have no need for staying in cover any more.

I'm with termokanden on this. This kind of strategy is what initially gave the Adept a bad name, it's such a boring method of play (check the initial footage in the video on my sig).

'Course, if that's what floats your boat, more power to you. It's just you'll find few people on here who actually enjoy this method

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Sandbox47 wrote...

I just throw warps at the enemies until I have no need for staying in cover any more.

Sadly sentinels are the best casters in the game. If you want to move very fast as an adept you have to shoot a lot, which is why some people chose barrier as a bonus power.

I don't like using bonus powers and don't like shooting with a caster class so I just have to face the fact the the adept played as a caster is simply less effective than the soldier classes and is outclassed as a caster by the sentinel.

[Roxlimn]

Grumpy Old Wizard:



That's misinformation!



Well, you do make a habit of it, so we might as well be used to it. YOU don't play the adept, so you can't possibly know what it is to shoot with an Adept. Given what you've said so far, your only playthrough with an Adept is the Warp-Only method, and the rest you're just making up and gleaning from bad interpretations of videos.



You shoot less in ME2 than you do in ME1 as an Adept, and the bulk of your shooting involves stripping shield defenses if you happened not to get Energy Drain as a bonus power. Moving fast as an Adept is much more dependent on using Pull and Throw when they're better than Sing and Warp, and putting the kibosh on everything with biotics.



Stop the blatant misinformation!

[Roxlimn]

Grumpy Old Wizard:



That's misinformation!



Well, you do make a habit of it, so we might as well be used to it. YOU don't play the adept, so you can't possibly know what it is to shoot with an Adept. Given what you've said so far, your only playthrough with an Adept is the Warp-Only method, and the rest you're just making up and gleaning from bad interpretations of videos.



You shoot less in ME2 than you do in ME1 as an Adept, and the bulk of your shooting involves stripping shield defenses if you happened not to get Energy Drain as a bonus power. Moving fast as an Adept is much more dependent on using Pull and Throw when they're better than Sing and Warp, and putting the kibosh on everything with biotics.



Stop the blatant misinformation!

[JaegerBane]

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard:

That's misinformation!

Roxlimn, don't bother. The guy's got an issue with Adepts in ME2 and he'll ignore anything mentioned that doesn't involve saying that Adepts are crap. He's made it up his mind.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 23 février 2011 - 10:05 .

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard:

That's misinformation!

Well, you do make a habit of it, so we might as well be used to it. YOU don't play the adept, so you can't possibly know what it is to shoot with an Adept. Given what you've said so far, your only playthrough with an Adept is the Warp-Only method, and the rest you're just making up and gleaning from bad interpretations of videos.

You sir are a liar.
1) Saying that I prefer to play the adept without constantly shooting is not that same as saying I only use warp.
2) Saying that I make a habit of misinformation is a lie.
3) I've done several insanity playthroughs as an adept.

Perhaps I should make up some lies about you just to be fair? Nah, I'm not a liar so I'll pass on that.

The problem with you fanbois is if anyone critisizes any aspect of the game you want to take their head off.

What I said is absolutely true. If you play as an adept and want to move fast you will certainly do a lot of shooting.

Roxlimn, don't bother. The guy's got an issue with Adepts in ME2 and he'll ignore anything mentioned that doesn't involve saying that Adepts are crap. He's made it up his mind.

You are a liar too. I am quite willing to change my mind if you can present the appropriate evidence. And it is a lie to say that I've ever said adepts are crap.

It'd be nice if the fanbois would not lie about people who have different opinions than theirs.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 23 février 2011 - 10:29 .

[RedCaesar97]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

What I said is absolutely true. If you play as an adept and want to move fast you will certainly do a lot of shooting.

And most of us have no problem with that concept. Powers in ME2 are meant to compliment weapons, not replace them.

For example:
1. Different ammo powers increase your weapon's effectiveness against different defenses (such as Disrupter Ammo against shields), and some also provide some crowd-control (CC) abilities, such as Cryo Ammo freezing unprotected targets.
2. Tech powers such as Overload and Incenirate can remove defenses completely, so you can then shoot the enemy dead. Cryo Blast and Neural shock will hold an unprotected enemy motionless for a short time, giving you an easy target to shoot. Cryo Blast also provides a bonus to weapons fire.
3. Biotic powers such as Singularity or Stasis provide CC against a protected enemy, stopping them from shooting for a short time while so you can focus your attention on the other enemies shooting at you.

Obviously, biotic powers such as Throw, Pull, and Shockwave are best used against unprotected targets, but this just opens up more options once an enemy is down to health. 

Submachine guns, shotguns, and assault rifles provide damage bonuses to shields and barriers. Pistols, sniper rifles, and assault rifles provide damage bonuses to armor. Weapons and powers are meant to compliment each other, not replace each other. The Adept (and Engineer and Sentinel) rely the most on their powers more than the other classes, but that does not mean they should only use powers. Biotic and tech powers are best used to (a) strip enemies' protections so they can be killed by gunfire; or ( disable unprotected targets after their protections were removed by gunfire; or © to disable unprotected targets so they can be killed more easily with gunfire (or another tech/biotic power if you are so inclined).

Being a "caster" in Mass Effect (or ME2, and likely in ME3) does not -- and should not -- mean you use only powers to progress. You have weapons for a reason. You should use your weapons and powers together to optimize your combat prowess.

[termokanden]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Sandbox47 wrote...

I just throw warps at the enemies until I have no need for staying in cover any more.

Sadly sentinels are the best casters in the game. If you want to move very fast as an adept you have to shoot a lot, which is why some people chose barrier as a bonus power.

I don't like using bonus powers and don't like shooting with a caster class so I just have to face the fact the the adept played as a caster is simply less effective than the soldier classes and is outclassed as a caster by the sentinel.

If you look at my previous post you will notice that I said Sentinels are better at spamming Warp. But that's just one ability. There's a very simple reason they are not the best casters, and that would be ability selection. They do not have CC against enemies with defenses, but engineers and adepts do.

Now compare adepts and sentinels. Adepts have access to Pull, which really is superior to Throw. Using Singularity, you can also trap an enemy, shoot it and Warp bomb it. That's a neat little trick the sentinel doesn't have.

For these reasons I don't think you can just label sentinel the best caster. I do think they are overpowered, but they do not have the "spell selection" to deserve the title of best caster. But again, I do not disagree with you completely. Looking at the difference in survivability or just class passive bonuses (combined with Power Armor in particular), I have to ask myself "what where they thinking here?". But I try not to let that ruin adepts and engineers for me. In my opinion the problem is not there, the problem is the sentinel class.

Modifié par termokanden, 24 février 2011 - 12:42 .

[swn32]

I think we have established this by now, adepts arent meant to be played as pure casters. ME2 isnt a number key facerolling game. Biotics would be ridiculously overpowered if they weren't blocked by defenses. Just put bShieldsBlockPowers = FALSE in Coalesced.ini and try playing. Its stupid easy and no skill is required.

Modifié par swn32, 24 février 2011 - 04:25 .

[Roxlimn]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard:

That's misinformation!

Well, you do make a habit of it, so we might as well be used to it. YOU don't play the adept, so you can't possibly know what it is to shoot with an Adept. Given what you've said so far, your only playthrough with an Adept is the Warp-Only method, and the rest you're just making up and gleaning from bad interpretations of videos.

You sir are a liar.
1) Saying that I prefer to play the adept without constantly shooting is not that same as saying I only use warp.
2) Saying that I make a habit of misinformation is a lie.
3) I've done several insanity playthroughs as an adept.

If you're going to go around calling people liars, then you better put your money where your mouth is.  Show me a video of you using 4 out of 5 of the Adept's powers to best effect, while also shooting so much that your guns are actually doing the bulk of the work.

Put up or shut up.

[JaegerBane]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
You sir are a liar.

<snip>

You are a liar too. .

*sigh*

Yeah, we're all liars, everyone's lying except you....

Seriously man, do you even realise how much of a joke you're coming across as? Either take up Rox's challenge and actually show us what you're talking about, or change the record.

[JaegerBane]

swn32 wrote...

I think we have established this by now, adepts arent meant to be played as pure casters. ME2 isnt a number key facerolling game. Biotics would be ridiculously overpowered if they weren't blocked by defenses. Just put bShieldsBlockPowers = FALSE in Coalesced.ini and try playing. Its stupid easy and no skill is required.

Admittedly this was what convinced me that such a change would be for the worse - it completely annihilated the balance of the game. Even on Normal, as boss fights lasted seconds.

[JaegerBane]

termokanden wrote...
Looking at the difference in survivability or just class passive bonuses (combined with Power Armor in particular), I have to ask myself "what where they thinking here?". But I try not to let that ruin adepts and engineers for me. In my opinion the problem is not there, the problem is the sentinel class.

I can't shake this feeling either - it's like they weren't totally sure what they wanted to do with the class and changed it from a dedicated support class it was in ME1 and turned it into a either CQC specialist that is almost as effective as the Vanguard, or a power spammer. Very odd.

That said, I'd say the Sentinel is second only to the soldier in terms of how boring I found it. They've got plenty of options but they're typically doing the same thing in every encounter, only changing which power they use first, Overload or Warp.

[AstralStorm]

JaegerBane wrote...
I can't shake this feeling
either - it's like they weren't totally sure what they wanted to do with
the class and changed it from a dedicated support class it was in ME1
and turned it into a either CQC specialist that is almost as effective
as the Vanguard, or a power spammer. Very odd.

That said, I'd say
the Sentinel is second only to the soldier in terms of how boring I
found it. They've got plenty of options but they're typically doing the
same thing in every encounter, only changing which power they use first,
Overload or Warp.

It seems like they tried to make a Mario-like class, good at everything but master at none.
It can spam powers, but an adept or engineer is better at it. It can run and gun, but it has a small choice of guns from start. The only thing it can't do effectively is snipe - the armor doesn't protect from being shot and getting your aim ruined and you get no help.

It plays best as an aggressive "lawnmower", which is a bit boring. Close, shoot some power, shoot the enemy, apply tech armor or medigel as necessary, repeat.

Modifié par AstralStorm, 24 février 2011 - 11:41 .

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Roxlimn wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard:

That's misinformation!

Well, you do make a habit of it, so we might as well be used to it. YOU don't play the adept, so you can't possibly know what it is to shoot with an Adept. Given what you've said so far, your only playthrough with an Adept is the Warp-Only method, and the rest you're just making up and gleaning from bad interpretations of videos.

You sir are a liar.
1) Saying that I prefer to play the adept without constantly shooting is not that same as saying I only use warp.
2) Saying that I make a habit of misinformation is a lie.
3) I've done several insanity playthroughs as an adept.

If you're going to go around calling people liars, then you better put your money where your mouth is.  Show me a video of you using 4 out of 5 of the Adept's powers to best effect, while also shooting so much that your guns are actually doing the bulk of the work.

Put up or shut up.

I called you a liar because you lied about me personally.
1) You lied when you said I have a habit of posting misinformation.
2) You lied in saying I don't play an adept.
3) You lied in saying I can't possibly know what it is to shoot with an adept.
4) You lied in saying I had only played through once with an adept.
5) You lied in saying I only use Warp.
6) You lied in saying I was just making stuff up based on videos.

You sir are a liar. As you see, me calling you a liar was based on your lies about me personally, not because you disagree with me on a class in a video game.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 24 février 2011 - 08:19 .

[Roxlimn]

Not at all. I didn't lie in any of those specifics. I truly believe in the veracity of each one of those statements.  To me those statements are 100% true.

If you want to prove otherwise, SHOW ME.  Show me your Adept using 4 of 5 skills super-effectively, and using guns to deal with most of the HP of enemies, and not owning everything six ways to Sunday.

Again, put up or shut up.

Modifié par Roxlimn, 25 février 2011 - 05:39 .