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[majnoon53]

Can someone clear up a point for me which im trying to understand

Im playing neverwinter nights and according to the handbook a wizard that casts spells in Abjuration class cant cast spells in Conjuration but i have just seen a build for a character which was fighter/wizard/palemaster and the guy can cast in all the classes, how is this possible and can you learn spells from scrolls, im just trying to understand the game best i can, any help is always appreciated

[jmlzemaggo]

 A wizard is the only spellcaster who can choose to specifcly train in a particular school of magic, to gain some benefits out of his specialisation, but the price being you won't be able to use the opposite school spells... if I recall rightly. Which I barely ever do.
Hold on...
In proper english, it goes like this, in Wiki:
"A wizard may choose to specialize in a spell school,
gaining one additional prepared spell per spell level but losing the
ability to cast spells from the opposed spell school, even spells from scrolls. A wizard does not have to specialize, thus keeping access to all spells."


Remember, Wiki is your only reliable anytime NWN friend...
... as Hip is often way too busy chasing some poor desperate bees for honey in his most desolated mountains.
Hold a second while I'm googling him... Okay, there he is, busy at a bee:
 
                                                             

And yes, I suppose you can learn from scroll, not that I have ever done it actually. 
Just "read" the scroll, through its * special power / radial menu, by click/holding on it.

Modifié par jmlzemaggo, 14 février 2011 - 12:25 .

[Shadooow]

Well you probably choosed some of the "packages" when you were created your character right? Do not make the same mistake again, ever... Use a button "configure packages" instead which will allow you to set up skills, feats and wizard's specialization or cleric domains manually.

Specializing on the school is good only for wizards with low intelligence and the only one school that is acceptable to sacrify is enchantment, so if you really think you want to be specialist, then choose illusions. Some player using specializing as the way to shape the roleplaying of their character (like to play necromancer) but its benefits are so poor that its really only for suiciders .

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 13 février 2011 - 10:17 .

[Shia Luck]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

Specializing on the school is good only for wizards with low intelligence and the only one school that is acceptable to sacrify is enchantment, so if you really think you want to be specialist, then choose illusions. Some player using specializing as the way to shape the roleplaying of their character (like to play necromancer) but its benefits are so poor that its really only for suiciders .

Hmmm, not sure I agree. In a high magic (which i define in this case as a world with true seeing on items and enemies with > +5 weapons), what use is divination?  one extra spell per day at every level is the bonus for specialising, no? That's useful, no?

Modifié par Shia Luck, 14 février 2011 - 12:06 .

[Shadooow]

Shia Luck wrote...

ShaDoOoW wrote...

Specializing on the school is good only for wizards with low intelligence and the only one school that is acceptable to sacrify is enchantment, so if you really think you want to be specialist, then choose illusions. Some player using specializing as the way to shape the roleplaying of their character (like to play necromancer) but its benefits are so poor that its really only for suiciders .

Hmmm, not sure I agree. In a high magic (which i define in this case as a world with true seeing on items and enemies with > +5 weapons), what use is divination?  one extra spell per day at every level is the bonus for specialising, no? That's useful, no?

Ok, correct, if such server exist (so far havent seen such server), then necromancy could be a good option too.

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 14 février 2011 - 01:04 .

[SHOVA]

After testing this in game, there is no way that a specialized wiz can cast spells of a opposition school. Now I can however see two possibilities to explain the question about your friends PC. 1, Your friend did not actualy choose the specialist class, as stated by ShaDoOoW, or 2, He has haked in his character. Don't ask me how he haked it in, I have no idea how to do that, I can only say that a few years ago, there was a great many players who did hak in characters, who caused many problems, not just casting spells in oppositional schools.

[majnoon53]

http://nwn.bioware.c...undeadlord.html

In response to your comments the build has not been hacked

[SHOVA]

You'll have to note, at no place in that build does it say specialist wizard, spell school Abjuration. I stand buy my last post, either the build in question is a generalist wizard/fighter/palemaster, or the build has been haked, either through the ol haked player bit, or the mod/pw in question has changed spell casting 2das. Specialist wizard Abjuration, can not cast any Conjuration spells, or learn those type of spells from scroll.

[majnoon53]

I have downloaded this build and the wizard can cast in all schools, so there must be a way to do it

[Shadooow]

majnoon53 wrote...

I have downloaded this build and the wizard can cast in all schools, so there must be a way to do it

Again and again and again. That build is not a "specialist" wizard. Why should he be? Normally you can cast all spell school *unless* you specialize yourself which is not recommended. If your character is, then only two explanations comes here. Either you overlooked it, you didn't know what you were doing, or you have choosen some wizard's package that it by default specialized (I haven't yet checked if any of those packages really is).

If you are new into NWN, do not specialize into any school until you get more informed about what you can gain and loose.

[SHOVA]

Again a generalist wizard, which is what this build is, can cast all schools. A specialist wizard, Abjuration school can not cast Conjuration type spells. This build would work with a Specialist wizard, however the spells listed in the build may or may not be available due to the opposition school. Since in your Original post you stated the rules for a Abjuration specialist, the answers were based off of that. After rereading your first post, Opposition schools only, Only come into play if you take school specialization at level first level of wizard selection. A generalist wizard does not have to worry about it, as they do not have the same benifits as a specialist. The build you posted is a generalist wizard, therefore you friend could cast any spell that they have learned. That does not mean your friend is not a specialist wizard, and unless you can post his character sheet, we may never know.