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[Commander Kurt]

DPSSOC wrote...

Exactly my point.  I have no problem with people calling it a human led council, or a human heavy council, but if it were a truly human dominated council humanity could make, and enforce, unilateral decisions regardless of the other races opinions.  That's not the case.  I just want people (real people) to stop saying things like "Well Renegades get a human dominated council."  No we don't, stop saying that, it's a lie, you're lying.

So the council has no say at all in intergalactic politics after ME1, this is confirmed?

Then I do understand the Renegade disappointment a bit better..


And, regarding the Rachni, you won't be punished if you save her and you won't be punished if you kill her. Beating the Reapers will still happen, it's just a matter of how (humanity being strong as h*ll but on their own, or joint-species effort). How does it get more balanced than that?

The game doesn't have negative outcomes. For anyone. There is no ass-biting allowed. And you may not like it, I prefer a more realistic approach myself, but it's balanced. Perfectly.

[DPSSOC]

Commander Kurt wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
Exactly my point.  I have no problem with people calling it a human led council, or a human heavy council, but if it were a truly human dominated council humanity could make, and enforce, unilateral decisions regardless of the other races opinions.  That's not the case.  I just want people (real people) to stop saying things like "Well Renegades get a human dominated council."  No we don't, stop saying that, it's a lie, you're lying.

So the council has no say at all in intergalactic politics after ME1, this is confirmed?

Then I do understand the Renegade disappointment a bit better..

No, the Council still has a say, heck humanity even has a say, but we are not "dominating" the system.  That's my issue, saying the Renegade Council is human dominated is rubbish, we dominate nothing, if anything it seems like people listen to us less.

Commander Kurt wrote...
And, regarding the Rachni, you won't be punished if you save her and you won't be punished if you kill her. Beating the Reapers will still happen, it's just a matter of how (humanity being strong as h*ll but on their own, or joint-species effort). How does it get more balanced than that?

Ok I have to ask what, in any of the instances we have to acquire allies, implies the alternative strengthens humanity?  Rachni, no.  Quarians, no.  Geth, no.  Krogan, no.  I'm sure defeating the Reapers will happen either way but just having trouble following your logic.

As for balance, and I'm feeling like a broken record here, my concern is internal balance.  Renegade choices I have no issue following the internal balance (gain x, lose y).  My issue is I'm not seeing a similar balance with the Paragon choices.  You gain the Rachni and lose what for example.  Now the Admiral pointed out that gaining the Rachni is only a possibility but I wouldn't be any happier if it went the other way (they were enemies) because then you have cost without gain.

In every big Renegade decision I can find (within the choice itself) something I've gained and something I've lost, and I'm happy with that balance so far.  However I can't do that with the Paragon choices so either I'm missing something (and if so somebody point it out) or the balance is off (internal balance not Paragon/Renegade balance).  I trust Bioware to keep the two paths balanced, to not give either side a harder or easier time of defeating the Reapers, but I can't follow the Paragon Cost/Gain.

[Arijharn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Neither morality gets any real consequences for their actions.

Rachni don't seem to think so....

Ah yes because a good 2 minute cameo is such a real consequence. 

Be serious. 

Why would there be a consequence for ME2, wouldn't it be safer to assume that the 'consequence' would appear in 3?

Be serious.

[KenKenpachi]

Ehh I don't see it that way, I say turn it light versus dark cause face it if your a jerk to others they will be to you. Pure and simple Shepard might be a bad ass but he died once it can happen again. And I don't recall Kotor punishing you for turning dark side, you got force lightning which is killer and you got a vast Empire and all of your fallowers back and your foes killed/exiled. In the Good ending you get some medals and thank yous. So I don't see how the dark sider got shafted at all. But at the end of the game no matter what you did Revan leaves and his Empire falls. So whats the Big deal if ME3 does the same. If you want to do a real life spin to it alot of people who do crappy things get theres sooner or later. And in the End be yea saint, be yea satan, you die.



As to the Renegades getting pooped on I don't see it that way, if I were to pull a gun on you, threaten you, or smack you even if I were an agent I won't be surprised come tomorrow you try and have me killed or want nothing to do with me.

[Sajuro]

@KenKenpachi: the way it punishes you for dark side is that no one knows the force power the harms droids if you turn to the dark side unless you learned it already (Bastilla forgets it apparently) and makes it a pain in the butt of the Star Forge.

[Markinator_123]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Punching Al-Jalani (or WTF her name is) is being a jerk.

Compromising ethics or morality for personal gain is evil. I mean siding with Morinth is evil, convincing Garrus to kill for revenge is evil some other decisions are just heartless but not evil.

Renegade is not pure evil but evil enough.

Getting ten people killed to save your own behind when you already knew the risks of joining a vigilante team seems pretty evil to me. Killing Sidonis is not pure revenge it is justice and capital punishment my friend. Therefore, think more in context before you call something like that evil.