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[Augustei]

Why are dwarves always dying out in fantasy settings? I mean, most fantasy settings I can think of.. The dwarves are becoming fewer and fewer with each passing day and they seem to be dying out.
 
Dragon age - Orzammar only great thaig left besides... the other one whichs name escapes me at the moment.

Lord of the Rings - All the dwarves in Moria are dead. Barely any in the Blue Mountains and they are in a civil war and fighting the elves, Grey Mountains dwarves were mostly all killed by dragons.
Lonely mountain killed by Balrog.

Warcraft: blackrockmost killed by either Horde or Alliance as well as many by old horde and Raganos.
                 most Wildhammer killed by Black dragons
                  most Bronzebeards killed by Blackrocks


                

[MKDAWUSS]

For your historical/medieval fantasy settings, it's only humans who happen to be the only sentient species not facing risk of extinction. It might be some attempt to connect it more with our world, saying that we don't see them because they died out. My WAG anyway.



I wonder how many of these settings would retain much of their fantastical nature if they were placed in the modern era...

[HolyAvenger]

Its also a way to "balance" the world as the dwarves tend to be stronger, fiercer, have better technology etc.

[errant_knight]

Kal Sharok.



They don't breed as quickly, so when something bad happens, it takes longer to recover, unlike the bunny-like humans. We also don't know enough about Kal Sharok to really have an idea of the situation of those dwarves

[Augustei]

Man I really hope we get to see Kal Sharok at some point in the series though..

[Thor Rand Al]

From another book/game that I'm reading it seems to take dwarves longer to concieve/have babies from what I'm gathering. Basically humans can pop babies out faster then dwarves. But thats only one theory or story I've read. Honestly I've wondered that myself, why other races seem to be dwindling n the human race seems to be spreading like roaches. (Sorry to use that term lol)

[Augustei]

Well Qunari dont really seem to be dwindling really, The elves are less in number every year but the dwarves are.. and since I played a good charecter I couldn't save the anvil for em and I picked Harrowmont so they are gonna keep dying =(

[Thor Rand Al]

lol forgot about the Qunari but thats one where we really don't hear a lot about n aren't really involved enough to know anything about them except through Sten n he isn't very talkative lol.

[TheBlackBaron]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Why are dwarves always dying out in fantasy settings? I mean, most fantasy settings I can think of.. The dwarves are becoming fewer and fewer with each passing day and they seem to be dying out.
 
Dragon age - Orzammar only great thaig left besides... the other one whichs name escapes me at the moment.

Lord of the Rings - All the dwarves in Moria are dead. Barely any in the Blue Mountains and they are in a civil war and fighting the elves, Grey Mountains dwarves were mostly all killed by dragons.
Lonely mountain killed by Balrog.

Warcraft: blackrockmost killed by either Horde or Alliance as well as many by old horde and Raganos.
                 most Wildhammer killed by Black dragons
                  most Bronzebeards killed by Blackrocks


                

Well, LotR it's because post-Third Age the world is supposed to be transitioning towards modern Earth instead of Middle Earth. 

But what the crap are you talking about with Warcraft? I don't know if you noticed this, but Ironforge is the economic and military capital of the Alliance, and the dwarves form the backbone of the Alliance's armies along with Stormwind. 

[CalJones]

Heh, you forgot Elder Scrolls where they're already extinct!

[errant_knight]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Man I really hope we get to see Kal Sharok at some point in the series though..

Me too. I think that's one of the few things we can count on, though.

[Deadly Bytes]

I like go believe the two statements that were posted here,

One, Its moving to more of a modern situation where only the humans are left, And that they breed slower than we do/can.

[Augustei]

CalJones wrote...

Heh, you forgot Elder Scrolls where they're already extinct!

Cant believe I forgot about elder scrolls
Love finding dwemer ruins in those games, I think Tribunal was great for that.

[Augustei]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Why are dwarves always dying out in fantasy settings? I mean, most fantasy settings I can think of.. The dwarves are becoming fewer and fewer with each passing day and they seem to be dying out.
 
Dragon age - Orzammar only great thaig left besides... the other one whichs name escapes me at the moment.

Lord of the Rings - All the dwarves in Moria are dead. Barely any in the Blue Mountains and they are in a civil war and fighting the elves, Grey Mountains dwarves were mostly all killed by dragons.
Lonely mountain killed by Balrog.

Warcraft: blackrockmost killed by either Horde or Alliance as well as many by old horde and Raganos.
                 most Wildhammer killed by Black dragons
                  most Bronzebeards killed by Blackrocks


                

Well, LotR it's because post-Third Age the world is supposed to be transitioning towards modern Earth instead of Middle Earth. 

But what the crap are you talking about with Warcraft? I don't know if you noticed this, but Ironforge is the economic and military capital of the Alliance, and the dwarves form the backbone of the Alliance's armies along with Stormwind. 

Yeah but thats only the bronzebeards.. Besides thats world of warcraft which i like to pretend doesn't exist because I hate that game and it killed the whole franchise for me. lol

[Augustei]

Its takes the fantasy out of it though =( would dragon age be awesome without dwarves, elves, golems, dragons and qunari.. Well yeah it probably still would. But would it be AS awesome? No way


I picked Harrowmont and destroyed the anvil... I hope that doesn't effect the dwarves to much...

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 14 février 2011 - 07:57 .

[Encarmine]

I had a freind who worked for GamesWorkshop, he was quite the expert on Warhammer lore, I asked him one day, do the races in Warhammer represent real cultures?



anyways, im not gonna take the time to explain them all, but he reakoned Warhammer dwarves represented the fallen British Empire.



Looking at the overall picture of Dwarves, it does seem the leagend of them dying out, stems mainly from Lord of the Rings, that first set the precident.



And OP i agree, it is lame to always turn up in these fantasy games, and here of the 'golden times' when the dwarves were super power, and the Elves were immortal mages etc, I would, thinking about it LOVE a game where I get to see those Glory Days

[Satyricon331]

Encarmine wrote...

And OP i agree, it is lame to always turn up in these fantasy games, and here of the 'golden times' when the dwarves were super power, and the Elves were immortal mages etc, I would, thinking about it LOVE a game where I get to see those Glory Days

I agree.  They need to change it up... have the humans dying off for once and the others ascendant for a change.

[Joy Divison]

most characters played are humans; they will never have a subordinate position in any major markrt RPG

[KnightofPhoenix]

Satyricon331 wrote...
I agree.  They need to change it up... have the humans dying off for once and the others ascendant for a change.

Better yet, have us lead humanity when they surpass the others.

That way, we can see the golden age of others, humanity suffering at the beginning, and it would appeal to the market for having humanity ascend at the end.

[TheBlackBaron]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That way, we can see the golden age of others, humanity suffering at the beginning, and it would appeal to the market for having humanity ascend at the end.

Except for the large percentage of players that think "Boring humans, imma play a pretty elf or dwarf". 

[M-Taylor]

In NwN2, the Elves/Dwarves were going through a rapid breeding process and were actually starting to out number the humans, if I remember rightly.



So yeah.. there's atleast one game/setting were Dwarves aren't even close to dying out.

[Glorfindel709]

"Lord of the Rings - All the dwarves in Moria are dead. Barely any in the Blue Mountains and they are in a civil war and fighting the elves, Grey Mountains dwarves were mostly all killed by dragons.
Lonely mountain killed by Balrog."

Nearly all of this is just plain.... wrong. Good lord man. Moria, yes they were slaughtered by the Balrog, Durins' Bane. And Grey Mountains the War of Dwarves and Dragons got them slaughtered though at the end of the Third Age the dwarves reclaimed their lost halls and drove the drakes out forever.
Blue Mountains (Ered Luin) is a thriving dwarven community at the time of the Third Age ruled by Thrain II and then Thorin Oakshield until he left for the quest to retake the Lonely Mountain from the mighty dragon Smaug. Even after Smaug was defeated and the lonely mountain reclaimed, they were still prosperous as a coal mining colony of dwarves. They never warred with the elves in Ered Luin, their two great cities Nogrod and Belegost were destroyed in the War of Wrath by Morgoth. The Dourhands never existed in actual tolkien lore, they were created by the folks at LotRO to give conflict for the Dwarf opening.

Lonely Mountain is a thriving Dwarven community, the most wealthy in all of Middle Earth. That's *after* Smaug(not a Balrog) came and killed many dwarves and stoles their treasure btw, because they are the most well put together in regards to commerce. Not to mention they were backed by the Dwarves of the Iron Hills who were considered the fiercest Military force of Dwarves in all of Middle Earth. Then of course you must consider Gimilis' colony in the Glittering Caves near Helms Deep which grew wealthy from the crafting of jewels.
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that being said, like everyone else said; in most fantasy settings the dwarves are dying out due to lower breeding successes, military conquest, or dragons eating them...
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And yes, I am a Tolkien fanatic, leave me be >.> <.<

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 14 février 2011 - 06:50 .

[Augustei]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...
I agree.  They need to change it up... have the humans dying off for once and the others ascendant for a change.

Better yet, have us lead humanity when they surpass the others.

That way, we can see the golden age of others, humanity suffering at the beginning, and it would appeal to the market for having humanity ascend at the end.

Yeah I was just thinking when listening to Inon Zur's new Qunari soundtrack.. It would be really awesome to have a full blown war between Qunari and Humans.. Like a Unified Human Army against the full might of the Qunari.. Total war stuff.

[Dark Specie]

Hmm, what about dwarves and elves in The Witcher then? I don't remember if they're dying out as such (althrough they're also a bit on the short end of the stick)

Anyway, most fantasy settings shows humans as the dominant race. Why I'm not sure, but I guess it's partly to attract fans/readers/players. After all, humans are more interested in the adventures of humans, sorta...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 15 février 2011 - 06:26 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Dark Specie wrote...

Hmm, what about dwarves and elves in The Witcher then? I don't remember if they're dying out as such (althrough they're also a bit on the short end of the stick)

Anyway, most fantasy settings shows humans as the dominant race. Why I'm not sure, but I guess it's partly to attract fans/readers/players. After all, humans are more interested in the adventures of humans, sorta...

As far as the Witcher goes there not dying out but as one of the Dwarves says in the books humans produce a lot faster then they do.  I forget how the Dwarf frazes it, aww found the convo.  "Because you multiply like rabbits." Nice way of puttin it lol.  So ya humans can produce a lot faster n quicker then at least the dwarves, as far as elves I think they maybe more cautious??