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[Wulfram]

I think it got started because fantasy worlds - like Middle Earth - were often concieved as a mythological past. So all the non-humans had to have died off at some point.

[J0HNL3I]

this annoys me because dwarves are the best!

[Augustei]

J0HNL3I wrote...

this annoys me because dwarves are the best!

Indeed!

Well.. they were, prior to the Qunari =P

[Reika]

Well, most D&D settings had plenty of healthy dwarven populations, and the elves were withdrawing, but not a dying race.



For other fiction settings, Dennis L McKiernon has an interesting fantasy setting somewhat reminescent of LotR in feel, but the dwarves were flourishing and the elves weren't doing too badly either.



Trying to remember what other series I've read, but there's been a few where non-humans weren't dying out.

[Corker]

The dwarves of the Discworld are doing fine, as far as I know.

[Augustei]

I have no idea what the Discworld is

[Reika]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I have no idea what the Discworld is

Discworld Wiki if you like humor and satire, you'll like Discworld. 

[TripLight]

Cherry Littlebottom FTW!

[Dark Specie]

Thor Rand Al wrote...
As far as the Witcher goes there not dying out but as one of the Dwarves says in the books humans produce a lot faster then they do.  I forget how the Dwarf frazes it, aww found the convo.  "Because you multiply like rabbits." Nice way of puttin it lol.  So ya humans can produce a lot faster n quicker then at least the dwarves, as far as elves I think they maybe more cautious??

Hmm, I see.  Thanks for telling me  .

Anyway, regarding dwaves in Thedas... It occurs to me that in a sense, they're not exactly dying out. Heck, it's mentioned that there'll soon be more dwarves on the topside than underground! However, their original culture may be dying out. Should Orzammar ever be defeated by the Darkspawn at long last or crumble thanks to stagnation and the dwarves flee topside, the dwarves as a race would probably survive quite well - probably better than the elves, as such. But if that happened, they'd lose their home country, their culture their stone sense, their traditions, etc... They'd in essence become like the elves, minus the whole social discrimination thing.

[Mykel54]

The dwarves of dragon age are probably one of my favourites, they are more vivid that the archetype created by tolkien. For example in other universes like warhammer, they are honor bound and frankly pretty boring, something like idealized little humans. In dragon age they look realistic and with their own social problems (casteless, deep roads overrun by darskpawn), while maintaning the traditional values that are typical of dwarves (resistant to magic, appareance of honour, superb craftmanship, live underground). I also like the fact that there is no gunpowder or at least it is not widespread, i find that the medieval feeling of any fantasy setting is quickly lost as soon as you start making gunpowder relevant (ex. castles are useless agaisnt cannons).



I think dwarves are dying in DA for the same reason that they do in other fantasy settings, they are a "elder race", obviously heritage from Tolkien, and as such if they were as numerous and prosperous as humans they would be better than them. The same way that elves are usually depicted as perfect beings but there are few in numbers, dwarves also tend to symbolize several virtues (courage, honor, kinship, respect for the ancestors, proud for their work etc.). I find refreshing that in dragon age they no longer are some kind of paradigm of values, but look more a down to earth (pun intended) representation of whole culture.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know, maybe I missed a major new development regarding Dwarves in World of Warcraft: Cataclysm but I don't think they are dying out in Warcraft. Frankly, I thought humans and gnomes at least were worse off. In vanilla WoW especially they seemed like by far the mots secure of the Alliance races.

The humans' most powerful kingdom was completely destroyed and most of their former territory now lies in the hands of the undead.

The night elves just suffered a burtal invason of demons that ravaged or corrupted much of their forest homes, killed many of the demi-gods and creatures that protected them and they've lost their immortality.

The gnomes' only city was just attacked and overrun by troggs leaving their entire race in exile.

The draenei fled their origonal home planet because it was conquered by demons, only to be eventually virutally  wiped out by the orcs on their adopted home world. Then that planet exploded and the few survivors crashed on Azeroth.

I haven't played as worgen but from what I understand, they are a human kindgom that is in the middle of a civil war when a whole bunch of crazy dangerous stuff went down.

By comparion the dwarves seemed to have one impregnable fortress, several outlying settlements and another thriving clan to the north.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 17 février 2011 - 06:51 .

[Tri-Cara]

Satyricon331 wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

And OP i agree, it is lame to always turn up in these fantasy games, and here of the 'golden times' when the dwarves were super power, and the Elves were immortal mages etc, I would, thinking about it LOVE a game where I get to see those Glory Days

I agree.  They need to change it up... have the humans dying off for once and the others ascendant for a change.

THIS MOTHER FUGGER KNOWS WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!

[The Xand]

Kind of funny when you think about; we humans love games and settings like Fallout where people are living in a post-apocalyptic world scrabbling for life amidst the ruins of civilisation with monsters being predominant and living in the shadows of their cities. The Dwarves of Thedas are already living in a post apocalyptic world, for them at least.