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[HolyAvenger]

So what were the consequences of your actions that made you go oh-f*ck! or ohyeah! the most in your unspoilered playthrough?

I was just thinking of re-doing my canon Warden because in WH I found out that my one-night stand with Morrigan had resulted in a kid and he was kind of a deadbeat dad...not what I was going for with that character

Also the Burke/Dagna possible Exalted Marches made me sad, that's what I get for wanting to help people.

On the other hand, leaving Bella in charge of the tavern

[errant_knight]

The first time through, my favorite was the romance with Alistair, because I didn't know there were romances and didn't know I could trigger one. Boy, as I ever surprised when I got the rose!



After that, it's the rescue options at Fort Drakon after you give yourself up or get captured.



I've been thinking about the Brother Burkel thing, because that was a huge unintended consequence. I'm incapable of turning Dagna down, so no point thinking about it. Anywway, The first time I helped him, then I didn't in playthroughs after that. Thing is, my Cousland PCs, which is my usual origin, are believers and are sometimes fairly devout. It's occured to me that they would probably feel obliged to help Burkel since the Chant of Light says that the Maker won't return until the chant has spread throughout the world. So for them, I'm not sure there's a choice, really.

[Thor Rand Al]

lol I love the Fort Drakon capture quest unless I'm playing a male.  My females love calling Anora a lying backstabbing btch  that n I get to do it at the landsmeet too n I get to be really nasty with her when I get bk to the group after being rescued.  Love the part where my Warden gets to say, ah how sweet, makes me want to kill you even less  . lol

Ya I don't do the Chantry quest in Orzammar anymore.  I hate the ending on that one.

N I got to say letting Harrowmont be King.  When I first played I thought oh no what did I do, I've doomed the dwarves.  Now even though I'm not a fan of his Bhelens always King. 

[CalJones]

Ha yes. I supported Harrowmont in my first game, and helped Burkel. Then I read the epilogue and thought "oops!"

[errant_knight]

I don't like to play for the epilogues, though. I play as much as possible within character, so I don't imagine I'll ever make Bhelen king unless I play a dwarf commoner. Then family might win out.

[HolyAvenger]

I also don't think Bhelen/Harrowmont choice is quite that unintended if you pay attention...I think enough of Orzammar and dwarven society is shown so you kind of know exactly what you're getting with either one.



I agree that I don't like playing for epilogues.



Trying to help Danyla in the Brecilian Forest gets her attacking you so you're forced to kill her. I re-loaded several times to see if there was any way I could help her but...

[errant_knight]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I also don't think Bhelen/Harrowmont choice is quite that unintended if you pay attention...I think enough of Orzammar and dwarven society is shown so you kind of know exactly what you're getting with either one.

I agree that I don't like playing for epilogues.

Trying to help Danyla in the Brecilian Forest gets her attacking you so you're forced to kill her. I re-loaded several times to see if there was any way I could help her but...

Heh, I can't tell you how many time I redid that and how many things I tried. I really can't. I just felt horrible about it.

[Cat Fancy]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I also don't think Bhelen/Harrowmont choice is quite that unintended if you pay attention...I think enough of Orzammar and dwarven society is shown so you kind of know exactly what you're getting with either one.

F'reals? I dunno. I always thought you were given basically no context for Orzammar unless you're a dwarf of some sort. And oh, how Orzammar makes me seethe. Taken on their own, the O-Z epilogues are obnoxious, but acceptable. Games are entitled to shocking ('shocking") reveals like this. But taken in aggregate, they're just the worst. Like the rest of this game!** There's no reason to side with Bhelen unless you're a dwarven commoner or think that being an **** an inherently desirable characteristic in leaders- and this game definitely does.

I've just gone through Orzammar again and got all meta-gamey. When I chose Harrowmount and told him that he "needed to be strong" or whatever and he was all, "please, I'd rather be known are just. Frankly, "strong" leaders to be just awful, in terms of not being total d*cks." That just reopened old wounds! Because what Harrowmount was saying struck me as reasonable, but it's just never going to work in this game universe. I don't object to all "hard" decisions in this game (although having "hard" decisions and advertising "a lack of black and white morality" are absolutely not selling points to me). I am, for example, pleased by the fact that an unhardened (eww) Alistair makes a poor king. Makes sense! The boy doesn't want the throne! (his personal quest and "hardening" are totally gross, though) But Orzammar just grinds my gears. More than anything else in the game. I don't know why. I think it's because this game has so many awful people in positions of authority, and it seems like you have the chance to say, "hey, it doesn't have to be this way." But what do you know? It kinda does. I'd probably be much less bothered if there were no illusion of choice- Orzammar sucks. Ferelden sucks. Nothing much you can do about it. Well, you can slay a dragon implausibly quickly! But, honestly, these people kind of have the apocalypse coming? I do love this game, but sometimes it bums me out.

I just leave Danyla in the forest and let her husband look for her. They don't say he doesn't find her! Hope springs eternal.

*maybe there's something in the codices. But I am not reading a novel's worth of text supplements in a video game. I try, but it's too hard.

**just kidding! I love it. It's my best friend.

[errant_knight]

You're missing out if you don't read the codex. It has some great writing in it. Some of it is very funny, and almost all of it is interesting and informative. It's not just there to encourage literacy.

[Snowbug]

Not necessarily favourite, but the most memorable one was when Alistair flipped out after my HNF allowed Isolde to sacrifice herself to save Connor. For my Warden the only option there was to save the boy and save him fast (it reminded her of Oren, whom she could not save), and then Alistair yelled at her for it. It made for a great RP moment, at least.

[ColaQueen]

Your supposed to help Danyla out of her misery, if you chose correctly it's basically a mercy killing at her behest and she doesn't attack you. It's painful, but I always see it as a heroic deed if you are sympathetic towards her.



Alistairs rant was a bit unexpected at first as you would expect him to be vehemently opposed when it's actually happening. Then you I persuaded him easily into calm and was like err he's too easy, then gave him his pendant and got my points back.



The rose first time was very awwwww kinda moment. And when he broke up with my Warden, I was absolutely not expecting it.

[The Lesser Evil]

The first time I left Redcliffe before doing the battle and came back was kind of a "Whoops?" moment for me. I expected them to still be doing that whole preparation thing, not that the entire town except for Teagan would have been killed.

[Mariefoxprice83]

One day I have to try that! I'm sure I have left Redcliffe during preparations before and not had any problems. Unless it was after the confrontation with Connor/demon in which case you can move freely and I just forgot!

[frostajulie]

When I played my first character I had heard that Ali dies at the end unless you die or recruit a certain someone. Well I somehow missed the fact that when you recruit that someone Ali leaves. Boy was I surprised and the emotional impact of that playthru was the most awful awesome game play experience ever. I kept waiting for him to show up sometime and he never came back. That mage did the US. That had to be my most satisfying playthru of all. It was also my biggest oh yeah and oh f*ck moment combined.

[The Lesser Evil]

That reminds me, frostajulie, about going into my first end-battle. My Warden was in a relationship with Alistair, and had laughed at the idea of doing Morrigan's ritual. I figured I'd just send Riordan to his death.

Then, during the battle for Denerim, Riordan died and the pieces started to fit together in my head. I desperately wanted to avoid sending Alistair to his death, but I couldn't convince him to let my Warden take the killing blow. That wasn't merely a big "Oops", the scene where Alistair insists on sacrificing himself completely destroyed the shrivelled little thing in my chest that tries to pass itself off as a heart. xD

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I picked Bhelen in my first playthrough, and because he had scumbag politician vibes, i was expecting an extremely corrupt, decadent, epilogue for the dwarves, bordering on anarchy. Boy, was I surprised when epilogue time came around.



But more so than that was Alistair sacrificing himself on the archdemon. It's one of my favorite parts of the game, because it made me cry for a couple hours after. It's one of the reasons Alistair's romance is my favorite.



And then, of course, there was the Kitteh Army of the Apocolypse in Denerim......

[Giggles_Manically]

Saying:

-Right time to test out some spells.

-AHHH I DONT WANT TO BE A TOAD! (runs away)



BEST moment evah.

[TheBlackBaron]

Alistair chewing me out for letting Isolde sacrifice herself to save Connor was...surprising, to say the least. After he made it clear how much he hated her, and knowing his general Neutral Good tendencies would make him want to save Connor, I was not expecting that little argument to go down.

And the Dark Ritual, hoo boy. Deeeeeeefinitely didn't imagine that and the gut punch of Morrigan leaving coming up. I'd read the wiki for help in certain areas, but I'd avoided knowledge about pretty much everything that happens after the Landsmeet.

I imagine it was much the same way for the people romancing Alistair who either a) got dumped at the Landsmeet or realized they dun goofed by rejecting Morrigan and that somebody was going to have to die.

EDIT: Or, for that matter, having to send Alistar to sleep with M. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 14 février 2011 - 10:56 .

[Ninotchka]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Alistair chewing me out for letting Isolde sacrifice herself to save Connor was...surprising, to say the least. After he made it clear how much he hated her, and knowing his general Neutral Good tendencies would make him want to save Connor, I was not expecting that little argument to go down.

Yeah that was a shocker. I generally never kill Isolde or Connor but when I did get the courage to try that route lol I was blown away by his explosive speel back at camp.

How hypocritical of him to get so angry when, during the "fleshing out of options of how to deal with Connor" was going on with Bann Teagan/Isolde/, he was the one to say something along the lines of "I wouldn't normally suggest killing a child....but he is an abomination blah blah" wtf! He suggested it first!

But the real pièce de résistance was Alistair's implosion at the Landsmeet in my first playthough. I almost vomited from the shock true story That was the most I've ever been affected by any entertainment media. Most memorable and not so favourite unintended consequences indeed.

Modifié par Ninotchka, 14 février 2011 - 11:09 .

[errant_knight]

Ninotchka wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Alistair chewing me out for letting Isolde sacrifice herself to save Connor was...surprising, to say the least. After he made it clear how much he hated her, and knowing his general Neutral Good tendencies would make him want to save Connor, I was not expecting that little argument to go down.

Yeah that was a shocker. I generally never kill Isolde or Connor but when I did get the courage to try that route lol I was blown away by his explosive speel back at camp.

How hypocritical of him to get so angry when, during the "fleshing out of options of how to deal with Connor" was going on with Bann Teagan/Isolde/, he was the one to say something along the lines of "I wouldn't normally suggest killing a child....but he is an abomination blah blah" wtf! He suggested it first!

But the real pièce de résistance was Alistair's implosion at the Landsmeet in my first playthough. I almost vomited from the shock true story That was the most I've ever been affected by any entertainment media. Most memorable and not so favourite unintended consequences indeed.

He's not a mage, you know. He didn't know there was another option until a mage brings it up. Then of course he wants to go to the circle. It's an infinitely better option to blood magic for him or killing a child for him. Isolde is no Loghain. He doesn't hold her responsible for the spread of the blight, the deaths of the wardens, or regicide. She's just a stupid woman who made a stupid choice, and he doesn't hate her at all. He tells you right out that he's forgiven her and Eamon, and understands why she fells that way. It makes perfect sense for his character and isn't hypocritical at all, although your warden can certainly feel differently. But yes, being told off by Alistair is extremely...effective.

Modifié par errant_knight, 14 février 2011 - 11:18 .

[TheBlackBaron]

^ I prefer to pretend that the "go to the Circle" option doesn't exist. It's such a cop-out.

Moreover, I think you have to actually have to bring up that possibility yourself - nobody else mentions it.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 14 février 2011 - 11:19 .

[errant_knight]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

^ I prefer to pretend that the "go to the Circle" option doesn't exist. It's such a cop-out.

Moreover, I think you have to actually have to bring up that possibility yourself - nobody else mentions it.

Yeah, after it's been handed to you on a platter by Wynne/Jowan/Morrigan and Alistair. You can choose to ignore it, but it's completely obvious that the choice is there. I was making a point about characterization, though, not trying to take the thread to a 'third option, good or bad' debate. There's a thread for that, and it's a big one full of heated debate.

Modifié par errant_knight, 14 février 2011 - 11:23 .

[Ninotchka]

errant_knight wrote...

He's not a mage, you know. He didn't know there was another option until a mage brings it up. Then of course he wants to go to the circle. It's an infinitely better option to blood magic for him or killing a child for him. Isolde is no Loghain. He doesn't hold her responsible for the spread of the blight, the deaths of the wardens, or regicide. She's just a stupid woman who made a stupid choice, and he doesn't hate her at all. He tells you right out that he's forgiven her and Eamon, and understands why she fells that way. It makes perfect sense for his character and isn't hypocritical at all, although your warden can certainly feel differently. But yes, being told off by Alistair is extremely...effective.

Why I think Alistair is a hypocrite (in this situation) is because he suggested killing Connor first. And then later back at camp, he acts as if the thought/idea/solution (killing Connor) never crossed his mind.

[DASockDA]

Personally, I hated how it was always possible to save everyone, and suffer no consequences for being an ultimate immediate good guy. Everyone I spared, they never betrayed me. Even though there's a warning that something might happen if I go to the Circle to save Connor, nothing at all changes in the castle.



There needed to be more situations where trying to be an idealistic hero and forcing your view of how things should be on people... didn't work out. Harrowmont and Bhelen are good examples of that, but even so... it's epilogue text, and has no visible effect.

[errant_knight]

Ninotchka wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

He's not a mage, you know. He didn't know there was another option until a mage brings it up. Then of course he wants to go to the circle. It's an infinitely better option to blood magic for him or killing a child for him. Isolde is no Loghain. He doesn't hold her responsible for the spread of the blight, the deaths of the wardens, or regicide. She's just a stupid woman who made a stupid choice, and he doesn't hate her at all. He tells you right out that he's forgiven her and Eamon, and understands why she fells that way. It makes perfect sense for his character and isn't hypocritical at all, although your warden can certainly feel differently. But yes, being told off by Alistair is extremely...effective.

Why I think Alistair is a hypocrite (in this situation) is because he suggested killing Connor first. And then later back at camp, he acts as if the thought/idea/solution (killing Connor) never crossed his mind.

No, see this is the point I was trying to make. Back at camp, he knows there was another option that he didn't know previously. It's not hypocritical to change your mind based on new information, and it's neither hypocritical nor out of character for him to be pissed if you decided to ignore that new information. It's a game, and choosing what to do it supposed to be your choice, not Alistair's so he's not going to actually tell you what to do, but it's not unreasonable for him to be pissed given his beliefs about right and wrong.