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Teron

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IMHO of course.

My personal problem is a personnel one. Id like to take a Mage, but neither Wynne or Morrigan appeal to me. As I don't want my character to be a Mage I am stuck. I miss the option of someone not being a ****y Witch or Tutoring Aunt.

Like.. An average  Mage. Like Wilhelm from the book. The typical "boom here it goes" mage option is kinda absent.  Someone more neutral then the Peoplehating Witch or "Goodytwoshoes" Wynne. At least thats how they seem to me so far. Only listening to the Wynne trailer made me annoyed at her (Reminds me of blathering Jaheira of BG2)  And morrigan... I dont know, i just dont find the whole "people suck and only POWER is importantl" thing appealing at all. She is not someone I´d  like to have around.

Thats why I always like to have the option to create more then only my main char. Ah well I will somehow manage. But I still hold out a tiny bit of hope there is another NPC Mage hidden. /rant

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Morrigan is voiced by Claudia Black. That should make up for anything else, in my opinion.



Only Communists dislike characters voiced by Claudia Black.

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Communists and kitty murderers...oh and also lawyers

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Herr Uhl

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What are you implying you capitalist pig?

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Sejborg

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I bet you can beat the game without using a mage.

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I don't think Wynne will be as goodytwoshoes as she appears. There will be something darker in her past IMO. And I think Morrigan actually desires human companionship beneath her snarky exterior. Of course I could be completely wrong about both of these things. I think writing "normal" characters runs the risk of them being bland. However I am all for another mage, think of the combos you pull off with 4 mages!

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Herr Uhl

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Sejborg wrote...

I bet you can beat the game without using a mage.


I bet you can beat it without a tank/warrior. But there is 5 options for that place (at least).

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Herr Uhl wrote...

What are you implying you capitalist pig?


OH MAH GAWD AH PINKO!!!! JEANNIE GET MAH SHOOTER!

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I think they opted not to put a "typical mage" into the game because that idea has been used over and over. Give these new characters a chance, you've only seen minute-and-a-half videos of them so far.

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Rogue option is just as lacking.

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Shattered Shield

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Claudia Black is a goddess i would hope even the pinko communists would love her...i mean honestly who didnt love farscape??



shes my mage of choice

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Not that I care about the mage choice, but I find "Oh gooooooooaaaawd claudia black is voicing a character!!!!!1!" to be an absolutely insipid response. What do I care? Either the characters are good for a person, or they're not. Who their voice actor is means absolute bullocks.

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Thanks for derailing my thread Capitalistic opportunists! But seriously, there is 4 Warriors, but only 2 Mages? Well and sadly only 2 Rogues too, but there is one option at least I like.




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I really don't see Wynne the 'good girl' and Morrigan as the 'bad girl'. Morrigan is a misanthrope because she was raised as one. Wynne believes in what the Circle stands for, supports it despite the mistreatment she and her fellow mages receive from the Templars. I wouldn't call that good, I would call that blind, despite whatever her intentions are.

Don't assume these characters have one layer to them, little snippets of conversations aren't going to tell you who they are.


EDIT:  Wrong,  There are two Warriors, a War Dog, and a Golem.  Dog and Shale don't have 'warrior' abilities, just because Dog takes hits doesn't make him a warrior.  They are 'warrior-like' but they both have special abilities that make them different.

Modifié par Servant of Nature, 27 octobre 2009 - 08:34 .


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The only neutral follower is Dog. Followers shouldn't be neutral in my opinion. They should be dynamic and reflect the world they live within.

Herr Uhl wrote...

What are you implying you capitalist pig?



I laughed.

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Oh, I do not assume they are flat and simple characters, but like in real life first impressions count. And the ones I got for these two did not inspire me to want to have them around, rather the opposite. Its not about them being Neutral, its about them being.. sympathetic  to me. Is that he right word?

When I say normal I don't mean boring, or one dimensional but rather someone I can identify with. Someone I would like to have around at the camp fire, someone with an interesting character. I Liked Edwin! 

Also Dog and Shale count as warriors, I am talking function not "class".

Modifié par Teron, 27 octobre 2009 - 08:40 .


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Three warriors, SoN. Sten, Oghren, and Alistair. :P

Good to see you back.

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hmm i didnt know that Servant i assumed they would be tanks......so then theres only 2 of each class for ur party members and just 2 fun ones ie shale and dog?

lol 3 as JBesh said

Modifié par Shattered Shield, 27 octobre 2009 - 08:38 .


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Servant of Nature wrote...



EDIT:  Wrong,  There are two Warriors, a War Dog, and a Golem.  Dog and Shale don't have 'warrior' abilities, just because Dog takes hits doesn't make him a warrior.  They are 'warrior-like' but they both have special abilities that make them different.




While that might be the case, they have the same role as a warrior. As far as we know, you can’t use Dog to open chests, and you can’t use Shale to heal or deal massive AOE damage.



Now, if you want a difficult game, you can ignore class roles entirely, but we already know that at normal difficulty the game is hard. If you don’t have a balanced party, you’ll probably be hurting. Not taking Wynne or Morrigan is possible, but will likely involve a great deal of dying.


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Ehm... I do not see the point of this topic...

First, you have not played the game, so you cannot truly tell if the characters you refer to will really annoy you in the end. Maybe both will surprise you?

Second, how much do you gain from complaining about existing companions? Certainly you will not gain a fully voiced and great mage-character to your liking just out of the blue.

Third... there is a toolset. If you are not fully happy with a companion go on and try to create your own. Gets you a lot of practice and characterization, writing and scripting.

Fourth: If both really will annoy you that much you can always play your game without a mage. Noone ever set up a rule about mages being required in your party.

Modifié par Yenaquai, 27 octobre 2009 - 08:49 .


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I believe that's part of the charm of the companions though. Morrigan, Sten, Leliana, and Zevran are not people I, personally, would get along with, or would want around based on first impressions. However, my character might, and maybe through my character I will see something different in those companions that is compelling.



I don't think you'll find a mage that just likes being a mage, due to how magic works in DA:O. It's not a lifestyle you choose to follow (in a sorcerer's case I guess it's closer, being born with innate magical abilities), and magic isn't taboo in D&D. In DA:O it is dangerous, not only that, if you're born with the 'magic gene' you get taken away from your family, shut into a tower, being constantly told you could be killed at any moment, if the Templars consider you dangerous, and that you are possibly going to kill everyone you know simply because you are a mage and you could be possessed. It's hard to be excited about learning about magic with that looming over your head.



Morrigan is probably the closest to Edwin, she enjoys power, and likes insulting people.

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JEBesh wrote...

Three warriors, SoN. Sten, Oghren, and Alistair. :P

Good to see you back.


Oh right.  I still have flu-brain.

@ Maria:  Yes, that's a perfectly good point, I  was just making it clear they don't actually have the same abilities.

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Servant of Nature wrote...

Morrigan is probably the closest to Edwin, she enjoys power, and likes insulting people.


She is more like Edwina though, a bitter bitter woman.

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i didnt like Edwin though