Maestro975 wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
they nearly perfectly fit the profile of the Ku Klux Klan, which for me makes them an evil organization. And they have done some very illegal things that I talked about in my previous post. Oh, I forgot to add that they assassinated a political candidate.
Get a haircut, hippie. They're not out to exterminate other races. Their goal of human dominance may be somewhat arrogant, but no more arrogant than the GOP agenda of American dominance. And sometimes assassination is neccesary. If you're trying to prevent a en economy-crippling strike, secure a land permit that will enable you to build more houses (or roads that provide better access to said houses), or pass legislation that will create new jobs, and someone is standing in your way for asinine reaons, sometimes the best course of action is to just whack the MF.
Only Mary Sue Goody two-shoe types see Cerberus and Section 31 as "abominations that need to be taken down."
You gotta operate in the gray, the only people who fail to realize this are fools, who are either too sensitive for their own damn good, or foolishly clinging to antiquated religions, mores and folkways.
I have repeatedly said put a leash on that dog. Not put it down. TIM needs checks and balances since he has proven repeatedly that he cannot stop himself from making potentially destructive mistakes. In Retribution he attempts to check himself but we have seen that he only manages to do this after the fact. Once a mission has gone off the rails then he goes back and figures out what went wrong, he needs someone to catch those decisions before they go wrong.
The guy is very good at what he does but the lack of accountability makes him a threat. His mistakes cost too much. Once he is on a leash he would be a very useful tool for humanity and the galactic community at large.
As I've gotten deeper in this thread I've seen some pretty goofy excuses for TIM's lie about Liara, simply put Nyxeris is working for Liara because the SB knows that she is hunting him. Please don't even try to peddle the line that Nyxeris is there because Liara is/was working for the SB. That's just ludicrous and even TIM would pull a Gibbs (from NCIS) and smack you upside the head.
Claiming she works for Cerberus is even more hysterical. Really, then why wasn't she the first Dossier TIM gives you? If you trot out that TIM wanted her hunting the SB then we're right back to why he lied about her in the first place. She recovered Shep's body and gave it to the only people who would even try to bring him/her back, then went hunting the Shadow Broker.
The difference between the Council/Anderson is readily apparent. With the Council/Anderson there are no lies, of omission or otherwise. They give you the information and let you decide what to do with it all through ME1. The only time they impeded you in the first game is when they ground the Normandy. In ME2 they tell you exactly what they are doing and why. There is no lie there. When you question Anderson about the VS he tells you that he can't tell you while you're working with Cerberus. There is no lie by omission from Anderson, not even that you aren't trusted because you are working with/for Cerberus. He tells you that he can't because of that relationship. The lack of trust is apparent and it is not a lack of trust in Shepard. It is a lack of trust that on a ship filled with Cerberus personnel that the information might be discovered and passed on to TIM.
With TIM on the other hand he tells half truths and lies to force Shepard into the actions he requires. He doesn't trust Shepard to do what is needed or even to be capable of making these decisions. Pretty funny when you consider that he wouldn't even know about the threat if Shepard hadn't taken scraps of information, put them together and taken action all by his lonesome.
People who were up in arms over Liara's changes just needed to dig deeper. I got honked off only for as long as it took to find the reason. After that I understood perfectly why she would be doing what she was. She learned that kind of loyalty (Feron debt) from Shepard after all. The part about this particular argument is that Dean is implying that Shepard would believe that she had changed sides on the strength of TIMs rumors and a single conversation. Keep in mind that you can't even go to Illium until after the Horizon debacle, by which time TIM has already revealed to Shepard his duplicitous nature. Anyone past the age of puberty would dig deeper than a single conversation to find out the truth of what was going on there and, funny thing, it is the second conversation that reveals what is happening.
@Dean, telling you that he can't tell you is not a lie in any form. Semantics won't escape the fact that Anderson tells you why he cannot give you any information. You are working with Cerberus.
Also your thing about how TIM was claiming his source was claiming is ludicrous in the extreme. "Information is my weapon" is TIMs claim. Repeating information that he knows if false is a lie, no amount of my source told me can excuse the fact that he knows that the source is false if there was a source at all.
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