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[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

That hasn't been the penalty in decades, outside the more regressive countries.

Is China a "regressive" country?

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Now a days, that sort of behavior usually begets one of three avenues: lengthy jail time in a state prison, being stripped of all ran, privileges, authority, and official positions and largely left alone except observation from afar, or practical exile to the country said official helped.

I believe even in the western countries one is allowed to excercise freedom of speech at least in private discussion by expressing the wish for the death penalty for treason.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I wouldn't say Kohaku deserved to die, but it was an expected course of action. There's what anyone should expect for crossing certain peoples in certain ways, but there's also an important and pertinant point in working towards ending the crimes committed by one's faction, especially on the basis of caring for one's faction.

I have far more sympathy for Kohaku than Anderson: Kohaku didn't know there existed a far greater threat, or of the potential fallout for learning the truth. He didn't even know what the truth was before he went to the Shadow Broker.

Anderson, however, does know that there's a galactic extinction event incoming, and he knows that the Alliance, and should certainly know if the Council was, aren't preparing for the Reapers, and that the group he's going after, is.

I'm not particularly upset that either man went after Cerberus, or that doing so creates some troubles for the Alliance. What's far more important to me is that when Anderson acts, he's doing it in full knowledge that it's against a past and almost certainly future ally against the Reapers.

And it's not even about only Cerberus now. I mean, not only that ally is weakened, but the two major military powers in the Galaxy, whose combined might might appear to be indispensable to tilt the scales of fate at some point, even if they have been inert so far, are now on a brink of war with each other.

I think, that this could have been the out-of-game "strategic objective" Drew was pursuing with Retribution: not only Udina was canonized as Alliance Councillor, but also the state of feud between the Humans and the Turians (as in default ME2 start), regardless of the DA choice, has been set in stone.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 février 2011 - 04:51 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

That hasn't been the penalty in decades, outside the more regressive countries.

Is China a "regressive" country?

In terms of civil liberties and justice? Yes.

Not as regressive as the worst, but certainly far from progressive.

I believe even in the western countries one is allowed to excercise freedom of speech at least in private discussion by expressing the wish for theath death penalty for treason.

They reserve the right in theory, but in practice it's rarely applied in the Western countries that the Alliance is based off of. Progressive governments, in theory and largely in practice, don't maintain that anything they do is legitimate. If a government action breaks its own laws, exposing such wrong-doings is considered a mitigating factor. Even when a government wants to retaliate, they often don't or can't: what Anderson did was an embarassment, but it's not like he revealed a legitimate operation. Treason charges don't really stick when what's revealed is the government's own failure to police itself, or an illegal government conspiracy.

In practice, there are too many costs associated with executing the person: Anderson wouldn't only have a significantly strong voice of support from the Turians (who could make a retaliation against Anderson an even more costly political snafu for the Alliance), but also from significant parts of the body of the Alliance itself (the majority that isn't in bed with Cerberus).

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Progressive governments, in theory and largely in practice, don't maintain that anything they do is legitimate. If a government action breaks its own laws, exposing such wrong-doings is considered a mitigating factor. Even when a government wants to retaliate, they often don't or can't: what Anderson did was an embarassment, but it's not like he revealed a legitimate operation. Treason charges don't really stick when what's revealed is the government's own failure to police itself, or an illegal government conspiracy.

In practice, there are too many costs associated with executing the person: Anderson wouldn't only have a significantly strong voice of support from the Turians (who could make a retaliation against Anderson an even more costly political snafu for the Alliance), but also from significant parts of the body of the Alliance itself (the majority that isn't in bed with Cerberus).

I don't doubt that Anderson gets away with it. But I don't have to like it or find it "progressive". However, under the machiavellian rules of policy making, there indeed may be more to lose than gain from Anderson's execution, even regardless of the Reapers. So I'm looking forward to some alternative options of humiliating the bastard presenting themselves.