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[AlexMBrennan]

Pre-spaceflight, asari were all "lesbians". The question is, what exactly pushed them into non-lesbian set so quickly and thoroughly.

The introduction of males into their environment? The statement "asari were only interested in females of other sentient species" is vacuously true, but so is the statement "asari were interested in males of other sentient species"

[Sentox6]

tmk wrote...
and practically never mating with other races' females.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't have anywhere near enough ingame examples to even start thinking about drawing these sorts of conclusions.

tmk wrote...
It really just looks like alien penises are irrestible to asari

As far as I'm concerned, it really just looks like aliens are irresistable to Asari, at worst.

Modifié par Sentox6, 14 février 2011 - 11:00 .

[emmanuelsieyes]

Asari would be looking for stability, social position, that kind of thing. The major races are (other Asari, which is verboten), salarians, and turians (and now humans). The volus have power, but they can't take off their pressure suits to mate with Asari. There's not much information about the Elcor to decide whether the asari have mated with the elcor.

[Sentox6]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
Asari would be looking for stability, social position, that kind of thing. The major races are (other Asari, which is verboten), salarians, and turians (and now humans). The volus have power, but they can't take off their pressure suits to mate with Asari. There's not much information about the Elcor to decide whether the asari have mated with the elcor.

There's some other considerations as well. 90% of the Salarian race is male. Krogan females are segregated on Tuchanka. Human males are probably more likely to be attracted to Asari than females.

It seems fairly likely that we'd observe more Asari relationships with males of other species than females.

[jeweledleah]

according to what we hear in game - asari HAVE mated with elcor. also - asari don't care about alien penises - heck we don't even know if males of those species have penises to begin with.

[tmk]

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
Asari would be looking for stability, social position, that kind of thing. The major races are (other Asari, which is verboten), salarians, and turians (and now humans).

Because being the oldest Citadel race, they can only find stability and social position by mating with other species.

 The volus have power, but they can't take off their pressure suits to mate with Asari. There's not much information about the Elcor to decide whether the asari have mated with the elcor. 

There is a volus in Consort's chambers in ME1, and Aethyta in ME2 implied to have had an affair with an elcor. Don't ask me how it would physically work...

Modifié par tmk, 14 février 2011 - 11:19 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Isn't the reason there seem to be so many asari/malien relationships in the game is because there are no female aliens? Granted that doesn't excuse asari/female human.

[jeweledleah]

tmk wrote...


There is a volus in Consort's chambers in ME1, and Aethyta in ME2 implied to have had an affair with an elcor. Don't ask me how it would physically work...

concidering that asari do the vulcan mind meld thing and that we know very little about elcor other then that they comunicate via subtle movements and pheromones? 

sex doesn't have to involve penises or penetration, especialy when it comes to alien species.

[tmk]

Lizardviking wrote...
Isn't the reason there seem to be so many asari/malien relationships in the game is because there are no female aliens? Granted that doesn't excuse asari/female human.

Again, the problem is that they had to invent some lame excuses to exclude the most logical option (asari/asari pairings).

Ok, whatever, I think we're going in circles.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

tmk wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Isn't the reason there seem to be so many asari/malien relationships in the game is because there are no female aliens? Granted that doesn't excuse asari/female human.

Again, the problem is that they had to invent some lame excuses to exclude the most logical option (asari/asari pairings).

Ok, whatever, I think we're going in circles.

True. The way the whole pureblood thing is set up is frankly, stupid as hell. Atleast ME2 tried to come with some reason for why it would exist in the first place.

[jlb524]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Pre-spaceflight, asari were all "lesbians". The question is, what exactly pushed them into non-lesbian set so quickly and thoroughly.

The introduction of males into their environment?

Seems like it....that's quite troublling, btw and is the 'trope' I don't like.

AlexMBrennan wrote...
The statement "asari were only interested in females of other sentient species" is vacuously true, but so is the statement "asari were interested in males of other sentient species"

Not really, considering that some of those females from other species (human/quarian) look a lot like the asari.

Now if asari looked like men, then they'd be attracted to human males.

[tmk]

jeweledleah wrote...
concidering that asari do the vulcan mind meld thing and that we know very little about elcor other then that they comunicate via subtle movements and pheromones?

Asari, technically, meld by sending impulses through the nerves of the skin. Which, strictly speaking, wouldn't work (nerves aren't USB cables, even siamese twins don't read each other's minds). But even we take it on faith that it would, the volus are wearing high-pressure suits all the time. There can't really be skin contact between volus and asari because an environment survivable for one would be instantly deadly to the other.

[emmanuelsieyes]

tmk wrote...

emmanuelsieyes wrote...
Asari would be looking for stability, social position, that kind of thing. The major races are (other Asari, which is verboten), salarians, and turians (and now humans).

Because being the oldest Citadel race, they can only find stability and social position by mating with other species.

 The volus have power, but they can't take off their pressure suits to mate with Asari. There's not much information about the Elcor to decide whether the asari have mated with the elcor. 

There is a volus in Consort's chambers in ME1, and Aethyta in ME2 implied to have had an affair with an elcor. Don't ask me how it would physically work...

Yeah, except in the game, a pureblood is the worst thing that can be said about an Asari.

Does it necessarily make sense? No. But it's canon.

Sample size of observed asari relationships is too small. We have Liara who goes for either Femshep or Manshep. There are a few other relationships mentioned. However, according to the Council, there's trillions of sapients alive in the galaxy. What fraction of those are Asari, considering that they are the oldest Citadel race, and they have the longest lifespan (excepting the Krogan, who have the genophage and krogan nature to deal with).

[Sereiphiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

After pondering it with a few of my friends, I've come to the conclusion that there's no logical reason for asari to be equipped for penetrative sex. Granted, many will say that there's no logical reason for the asari to be, period, and they wouldn't be totally wrong; personally, I believe they were artificially engineered by someone. However, even with that, considering that their reproductive processes are mostly mental and they bred with each other for thousands of years, they have absolutely no need to be receptive to penises.

Thus, I contend that the Asari birth canal, though located in a similar spot to the human one, is not a pleasure zone or adapted for penetration. It's possibly comparable to the human cervix, a valve meant to enable passage only one way; even if it wasn't actually painful for anything to enter it, it'd likely be odd and uncomfortable.

And so I pose this question to Maleshep/Liara fans: if this was true and you couldn't engage in penetration (keeping in mind that there are several other ways to engage in physical pleasure as seen with Femshep), would you stay with her or would you move on to a human (or quarian) LI?

Technically, we don't know if the Asari actually have pleasure points.  All we know is that their eyes turn black whenever they become intimate with someone.

Realistically or logically though, I am sure that the Asari DO have to get rid of biowaste or extract bodily fluids/materials from the food they eat and liquids they consume...  So they have a "hole", presumably below their abodomen area, to urinate from and another "hole" close to that to extract more solid materials.

In other words, they logically have places that you can "stick it into" to give them even more pleasure in their "black eyes" intimacy mode, but they aren't exactly like human female pleasure points where the human female needs the vagina to become pregnant.
Now that's the only real logical conclusion, you and your friends are slightly dim witted - no offense.

Modifié par Sereiphiel, 14 février 2011 - 11:38 .

[jlb524]

jeweledleah wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
not to mention they don't have the same gender hangups we do. 

Why wouldn't they?

they are not human?  they only have one gender?  would you rather they were heterophobic?  (is it even a word? O_O)

I would rather they just stick with their own species.

Being 'not human' has nothing to do with it, as other species have gender hangups.  Actually, the asari being attracted to only females wouldn't necessarily be a 'gender hang-up' it's just natural. 

Again, what if we met a species that had three genders, male/female/other.  Does this invalidate our dual-gendered definitions and we now will be magically attracted to the 'other' category?

[jeweledleah]

tmk wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
concidering that asari do the vulcan mind meld thing and that we know very little about elcor other then that they comunicate via subtle movements and pheromones?

Asari, technically, meld by sending impulses through the nerves of the skin. Which, strictly speaking, wouldn't work (nerves aren't USB cables, even siamese twins don't read each other's minds). But even we take it on faith that it would, the volus are wearing high-pressure suits all the time. There can't really be skin contact between volus and asari because an environment survivable for one would be instantly deadly to the other.

hence proving the point I was trying to make that direct skin to skin contact is not nessesary.  codex states that they send impulses through the skin, but it doesn't say that naked skin to skin contact is involved.  after all, you can warp your foes from a distance, while they are wearing heavy armor.

I would rather they just stick with their own species.

Being 'not
human' has nothing to do with it, as other species have gender
hangups.  Actually, the asari being attracted to only females wouldn't
necessarily be a 'gender hang-up' it's just natural. 

Again,
what if we met a species that had three genders, male/female/other. 
Does this invalidate our dual-gendered definitions and we now will be
magically attracted to the 'other' category?

other species might have gender hangups, however they are not the same as our gender hangups.  yes, they could have made asari just stick to other asari, but they didn't.  they made them as inquisitive species interested in variety of cultures and species and as such, there is no reason for them to exclude human males and include only human females.

as for species with 3 genders, who's to say, we'd be atracted to them at all?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 11:41 .

[tmk]

Sereiphiel wrote...
In other words, they logically have places that you can "stick it into" to give them even more pleasure in their "black eyes" intimacy mode, but they aren't exactly like human female pleasure points where the human female needs the vagina to become pregnant.
Now that's the only real logical conclusion, you and your friends are slightly dim witted - no offense.

No offence, but you are the "slightly dim" one. Having a place to stick it into doesn't automatically make it a pleasure point. It is for humans, because evolution kinda tried to encourage putting p and v together so that the species can procreate. Not so for the asari, so they have no actual reason to have pleasure points or even natural lubrication there. They would likely need quite a bit of artificial lube for it to at least not be too painful (and it would still be about as pleasant as, say, someone picking your nose with his finger).

[tmk]

jeweledleah wrote...
other species might have gender hangups, however they are not the same as our gender hangups.  yes, they could have made asari just stick to other asari, but they didn't.  they made them as inquisitive species interested in variety of cultures and species and as such, there is no reason for them to exclude human males and include only human females.

I, for one, am quite interested in other cultures and species and such. I do not, however, make a point of sleeping with everyone and everything I'm intersted in, and I don't see why just about all of the asari would.

[jlb524]

Try 'sticking' something in your ear over and over again...see how awesome that feels after a short while.

[jeweledleah]

tmk wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
other species might have gender hangups, however they are not the same as our gender hangups.  yes, they could have made asari just stick to other asari, but they didn't.  they made them as inquisitive species interested in variety of cultures and species and as such, there is no reason for them to exclude human males and include only human females.

I, for one, am quite interested in other cultures and species and such. I do not, however, make a point of sleeping with everyone and everything I'm intersted in, and I don't see why just about all of the asari would.

you are not asari.  you are human, you think like a human.  you don't have an ability to merge nervous systems with another and to see their thoughts or share sensation loops.

edited:  oral sex.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 11:46 .

[Sereiphiel]

tmk wrote...

Sereiphiel wrote...
In other words, they logically have places that you can "stick it into" to give them even more pleasure in their "black eyes" intimacy mode, but they aren't exactly like human female pleasure points where the human female needs the vagina to become pregnant.
Now that's the only real logical conclusion, you and your friends are slightly dim witted - no offense.

No offence, but you are the "slightly dim" one. Having a place to stick it into doesn't automatically make it a pleasure point. It is for humans, because evolution kinda tried to encourage putting p and v together so that the species can procreate. Not so for the asari, so they have no actual reason to have pleasure points or even natural lubrication there. They would likely need quite a bit of artificial lube for it to at least not be too painful (and it would still be about as pleasant as, say, someone picking your nose with his finger).

Are you serious? lol.  You probably have no idea what anal sex is, some people consider the anus a pleasure point...you imbecile.  I understand though,  you are probably some 15 year old kid posting who doesn't know anything about different types of sexual intercourse, some people do go "anal".  Ask your parents about it. 
Think before you comment, it helps.

Try 'sticking' something in your ear over and over again...see how awesome that feels after a short while.

Except for the fact that people don't screw earholes...  Try thinking before you post, say "hmm" before you post something. 




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Modifié par Sereiphiel, 14 février 2011 - 11:52 .

[tmk]

Sereiphiel wrote...
Are you serious? lol.  You probably have no idea what anal sex is, some people consider the anus a pleasure point...you imbecile.  Think before you comment, it helps.

That's because for women the rectum is close enough to vagina that some innervation in there can also be stimulated that way. And men supposedly enjoy it due to having prostatae. Asari would have neither.

(To clarify, they would probably have some sort of a vagina, but it would not be innervated for pleasure like it is for human women. And prostata is a male organ).

Modifié par tmk, 14 février 2011 - 11:54 .

[jeweledleah]

not sure why I only just remembered that one.

[Pwener2313]

jlb524 wrote...

Try 'sticking' something in your ear over and over again...see how awesome that feels after a short while.

NO

Modifié par Pwener2313, 15 février 2011 - 12:11 .

[AlexMBrennan]

jlb524 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Pre-spaceflight, asari were all "lesbians". [...]

The statement "asari were only interested in females of other sentient species" is vacuously true, but so is the statement "asari were interested in males of other sentient species"

Not really, considering that some of those females from other species (human/quarian) look a lot like the asari.

Now if asari looked like men, then they'd be attracted to human males.

I was referring to pre-spaceflight asari, and the fact that it's silly to call them "lesbians" given that they had never encountered males from another sentient species at that point. After all, pre-spaceflight, all asari were sexually attracted to males from the species they had encountered: { }