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[Aedan_Cousland]

To be fair we don't know that the Asari were always a mono-gendered species. It is possible that in the distant past there could have been Asari males and females, but that the species evolved to be mono-gendered. Even if the Asari have always been mono-gendered we don't know if that was also true for the animal life they evolved from. If at some point in their evolutionary past the Asari or their animal ancestors reproduced sexually, it is possible that their *ahem* Azure would also be an errogenous zone and not just a channel for child birth.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 15 février 2011 - 04:48 .

[Sable Phoenix]

So I have an idea!  Why don't we actually spend time on what this thread was designed to talk about, fun speculation on how a made up species in a made up universe in a game might be biologically possible despite its biological impossibility, and realize that regardless of where you fall on the spectrum, nobody here is threatening your sexuality or oppressing your gender and that even if they were this is not the place to hash it out.  People (and life in general) are the mirrors in which we see ourselves reflected, you get nothing back but what you bring with you, and the only person who has the power to offend you is yourself.

Now, how 'bout them asari?

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 15 février 2011 - 05:02 .

[Sereiphiel]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

So I have an idea!  Why don't we actually spend time on what this thread was designed to talk about, fun speculation on how a made up species in a made up universe in a game might be biologically possible despite its biological impossibility, and realize that regardless of where you fall on the spectrum, nobody here is threatening your sexuality or oppressing your gender and that even if they were this is not the place to hash it out.  People (and life in general) are the mirrors in which we see ourselves reflected, you get nothing back but what you bring with you, and the only person who has the power to offend you is yourself.

Now, how 'bout them asari?

First of all, it is ignorant to believe humans are the only sapient species in the real Universe.  Our Universe is larger than our imagination can even grasp.
Secondly, what in the world makes you think we are not speculating and do not realize that everything from Mass Effect is science fiction. lol

Modifié par Sereiphiel, 15 février 2011 - 06:04 .

[Sereiphiel]

tmk wrote...

Sereiphiel wrote...
Going "anal" with an Asari would be pleasurable not because of a "pleasure point" factor, but because the Asari is already feeling pleasure on every level when the intimacy starts with the black eyes.  So technically Shepard (and I can't help but laugh at this even though it's probably true) had some anal xxx with Liara too lol.

That doesn't even any...

Black eyes indicate mind contact. Both Liara and Shiala had black eyes when sharing mental images, but they were not intimately aroused on any level in those situations.

And I don't see how that proves that Shepard had "anal" sex with Liara. It's only "anal" if she also has a vagina. In which case it would still be preferable to stick it in there, as there would be more "room" and it's more "elastic" due to being a birth canal, so it would at least be less uncomfortable for the asari. And I'm not even sure Shepard himself would want "cloacal" sex, if that's what you're referring to.

Anal is only anal, you do not need a vagina to go anal...  Look at male prisoners in real life, everyone knows they go anal.  Course that is disgusting, but it is the truth.  I am starting to think that you actually are a 15 year old.  You do realize that male human ******-sexuals in real life go anal, right lol.  Also, the love scenes cut-off after the eyes go black, so we don;t know how much possible penetration or kissing or touching goes on. You need to think more before you post.

[jeweledleah]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

So I have an idea!  Why don't we actually spend time on what this thread was designed to talk about, fun speculation on how a made up species in a made up universe in a game might be biologically possible despite its biological impossibility, and realize that regardless of where you fall on the spectrum, nobody here is threatening your sexuality or oppressing your gender and that even if they were this is not the place to hash it out.  People (and life in general) are the mirrors in which we see ourselves reflected, you get nothing back but what you bring with you, and the only person who has the power to offend you is yourself.

Now, how 'bout them asari?

its biologicaly possible for an average maile to have an orgasm without once penetrating something so even if our fictional monogendered race has no openings other then the mouth and discharges waste via neat clumps of dark matter or something (you can blame Wrex and his comment about Grunt on that idea) - its still possible for them to have mutualy satsfying encounter with a human male.  just like its posible for them to have mutualy satisfying encounter with Elcor, Hanar, Krogan, Drell, Turian and I'd say Salarian, but Salarians apparently don't have sex drives as we understand them, so I'm assuming precreating with a salarian is closer to just regular melding. 

there are even several ways to mimic penetration without actual penetration - sex is a very creative endeavor if one is willing to just open up their mind to possibilities.  and btw, not all gay men enjoy anal sex - Savage Love says so and I tend to trust him on that one, and yet they still manage to have mutualy satisfying relationships with other men, often long term one, so trying to claim that males need to penetrate something in order to be sexualy satisfied is faulty.

Asari are not space lesbians, they are space Todds, just feminine looking and less comedicly crude.
and I'm not seeing them as "potentialy" offensive representation of lesbians either, nor am I assuming that every alien who has a deep voice in fictional universe is actualy a man, nor do I expect to see every single representation of every single asari couple as they are far too open minded to be able to cover all the possibility unless all you see are asari/alien couples.

I see asari as an ultimate expression of acceptance and seeing beneath the skin to inner beauty of anyone, regardless of the looks.  I'd say that's a damn good message.

[Kaltrec]

The best description of the asari views on aliens is the way the Rachni queen messenger speaks of her­.

[Collider]

The asari themselves are illogical, so it's not as if I'd be surprised if one of the lore writers came up and said that asari still found it enjoyable. I might not particularly like it though, because the asari are implausible as is. Finding out that they're perfectly equipped for male partners would add onto that.

[tmk]

Sentox6 wrote...
Also, I think you're being a bit too generous if you think the 'typical' adolescent male will even pay enough attention to reach the conclusions you're worried about.

Obviously, they won't specifically set out to analyze it and formulate a conclusion. That doesn't mean that the game experience cannot help reinforce the stereotype. In fact, stereotypes tend to keep on existing exactly because no one stops to think about how wrong they are.

Sereiphiel wrote...
Anal is only anal, you do not need a vagina to go anal...  Look at male prisoners in real life, everyone knows they go anal.  Course that is disgusting, but it is the truth.  I am starting to think that you actually are a 15 year old.  You do realize that male human ******-sexuals in real life go anal, right lol.

To "go anal" you need an "anus". Which by definition means you have separate openings for #1 and #2. When both are combined into one (or rather, haven't yet evolved to be separate) it's called a "cloaca", and not an "anus". Species that have cloacas do not have penises, even males, because those are a more recent evolutionary development. Learn your biology before you try to teach others.

 And asari aren't even male, so whatever male prisoners do in real life is irrelevant to this discussion.

Sereiphiel wrote...
Also, the love scenes cut-off after the eyes go black, so we don;t know how much possible penetration or kissing or touching goes on. You need to think more before you post.

You need to stop telling me what to do, and start making actual sense yourself. If you just keep on spouting random nonsense it will stay nonsense, even if you keep telling me that I need to think more.

We know that the eyes go black even when there's definitely no penetration or kissing or anything romantic going on (Mass Effect 1 debriefing meldings and Feros Cypher transfer). So black eyes do not by themselves indicate pleasure or intimacy in any way.

[Hyper Cutter]

tmk wrote...Species that have cloacas do not have penises, even males, because those are a more recent evolutionary development.

That's not true, iirc penises have evolved several times among reptiles (including birds)...

[tmk]

Interesting, never heard of that o_O

[Whatever42]

Like most races, Asari were engineered as humanoid by another race, perhaps the Protheans (only explanation for why there are so many similar species walking around). However, after a plague decimated the males of their species, random mutation in the unique physiology of Asari allowed females to reproduce without males. Eventually, all the males died out, as the new method of reproduction meant that the new Asari outcompeted them for mates and resources.

Its really the only possible explanation - they had to have reproduced "normally" at one point.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 15 février 2011 - 10:29 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Design does not imply the existence of a designer.

[tmk]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
Its really the only possible explanation - they had to have reproduced "normally" at one point.

Strictly speaking, asexual reproduction is just as "normal". Sexual reproduction just accelerates the natural selection process by allowing mix-and-matching of genetic material from the most "successful" specimen.

Thessia is an eezo-rich planet, so its native lifeforms pretty much had biotics from the get-go. They apparently evolved to use it for genetic recombination, which would make sexual reproduction model essentially redundant before it could become all that widespread.

[Sereiphiel]

tmk wrote...


To "go anal" you need an "anus". Which by definition means you have
separate openings for #1 and #2. When both are combined into one (or
rather, haven't yet evolved to be separate) it's called a "cloaca", and
not an "anus". Species that have cloacas do not have penises, even
males, because those are a more recent evolutionary development. Learn
your biology before you try to teach others.

 And asari aren't even male, so whatever male prisoners do in real life is irrelevant to this discussion.

Yeah no ****.......

You do realize every organic species has to extract biowaste aka process FOOD......  Hence, the Asari race in the scifi ME Universe more than logically has an anus.
Not to mention the fact that we don't even have enough information on the fantasy based species to determine how it performs its biological functions, all we know is that they live for a long time and they're mono-gendered.

You still need to think before you post and please do not pretend what you said makes any sense when it comes to Biology.

Learn how to *think* before you even consider talking to others.

Modifié par Sereiphiel, 16 février 2011 - 09:41 .

[SarEnyaDor]

I don't know why I am posting here, yes I do, FOR SCIENCE!



A cloaca is effectively the anus, penis, vagina and ureter in one. All excretions come out through the one opening. Like birds, the same opening the eggs are laid from is the same opening their solid and liquid waste comes out of.

[Sereiphiel]

tmk wrote...

Interesting, never heard of that o_O

Obviously. 

I don't know why I am posting here, yes I do, FOR SCIENCE!



A
cloaca is effectively the anus, penis, vagina and ureter in one. All
excretions come out through the one opening. Like birds, the same
opening the eggs are laid from is the same opening their solid and
liquid waste comes out of.

Thank you.  tmk was making me lose more faith in humanity lol.

Modifié par Sereiphiel, 16 février 2011 - 09:43 .

[Xilizhra]

Actually, the discussion over anal sex is completely irrelevant. The only reason humans enjoy it is because the genitalia or organs associated with them are near that area. If asari don't have erogenous zones located there, it wouldn't help at all.

[tmk]

Sereiphiel - You were saying that any sex with asari is "anal" because they have "one hole down there". I explained that it is not the case. What are you trying to prove now, and why do you keep trying to make such a huge issue out of it?

Modifié par tmk, 16 février 2011 - 09:53 .

[jlb524]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, the discussion over anal sex is completely irrelevant. The only reason humans enjoy it is because the genitalia or organs associated with them are near that area. If asari don't have erogenous zones located there, it wouldn't help at all.

Indeed.

I know, this is a difficult concept to grasp...

[tmk]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, the discussion over anal sex is completely irrelevant. The only reason humans enjoy it is because the genitalia or organs associated with them are near that area. If asari don't have erogenous zones located there, it wouldn't help at all.

Yep, and I said as much two pages ago. But for some reason Sereiphiel persists in, well, being anal about it.

[jlb524]

I guess the belief is, just b/c the asari look like hot space babes there must be a hole somewhere that males can 'stick it' into and that the asari will either enjoy or at least be willing to allow him to do so?



This is a universal constant with feminine beings, oh yes. Ick.

[Sereiphiel]

Xilizhra wrote...



Actually, the discussion over anal sex is completely irrelevant. The only reason humans enjoy it is because the genitalia or organs associated with them are near that area. If asari don't have erogenous zones located there, it wouldn't help at all.

*sigh* it's like talking to high schoolers. It is not irrelevant at all, since the Asari have an anus and we actually don't know how much touch or penetration is involved whenever Shepard has intercourse with Liara, since the scene always blacks out before it begins.

[jeweledleah]

people. I would like for you to attempt to think outside the box (pun NOT intended)

what exactly is pleasure? its our brain's interpretation of neurochemical impulses. erogenous zone is touched, impulse travels via network of nerves to the pleasure centers of the brain - we feel good. what do asari do? they meld nervous systems and they send impulses directly to the brain. you do not need to physically touch a specific part of the body to receive the impulse if you can send it directly.

case in point there was this experiment done with rats when they connected electrodes to rats pleasure centers and then they placed a button in rats cages. pressing the button activated the electrodes, rats felt orgasm. poor animals killed themselves with pleasure but the point of that was - no physical stimulation of penises or vaginas was made.

now - humans are tactile creatures. judging by far too many asari ignoring my Shepards personal space - asari are pretty tactile as well. so it does make sense for them to enjoy touching in general. however, it doesn't mean that they have to receive penetration and it doesn't mean that if they get together with a male that possesses something like a penis - that those males need to actually penetrate anything. touching and impulses directly to the brain = pleasurable experience for all, and possibly babies if asari chose to take it that far.

Lastly - Liara saying: "this...was amazing", to either Shepard. EITHER one. no penis or penetration of any sort necessary. why was she so impressed? because it was her first time melding for pleasure, she's not used to the sensation, all she knew before was the exhausting melding for information (exhausting for her, simply because she wasn't used to it - she actually tells you that in game). As for azure? its possible that its actual external erogenous zone. Asari do like touching don't they, so it makes sense for them to enjoy variety of touching even before melding - but other then it being located in lower region of the body - we don't know what it is.

Arousal, especially in species as mentally inclined as asari doesn't have to happen through touch. humans can get exceptionally aroused from mental stimulation alone and we're a physical species, asari? its no wonder in Shadow broker Liara shifts into pre meld state so quickly with Shepard, she just reunited with a person she loves most in entire universe and they have been reminiscing O_O

Modifié par jeweledleah, 16 février 2011 - 10:04 .

[Sereiphiel]

tmk wrote...

Sereiphiel - You were saying that any sex with asari is "anal" because they have "one hole down there". I explained that it is not the case. What are you trying to prove now, and why do you keep trying to make such a huge issue out of it?

LOL I didn't say *any*, it was a logical suggestion.  Anywho, no point in trying to convince a brick wall that it is being a brick wall.  This is not an issue, it is a logical point of view on a fantasy based game.