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[jeweledleah]

jlb524 wrote...

No one is stating that they don't enjoy physical contact of some kind, but that they wouldn't enjoy a specific type of contact.  Heck, there are human women that don't really like intercourse and their bodies evolved to enable it.

Asari had sex with just themselves for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands  of years...I'm sure they did things to each other that were physically as well as mentally plearsuable...none of those things would have involved any form of penetration and the notion of penetration would be incredibly absurd to them.

you know we're in agreement with each other, I was just replying to specific statement claiming that physical contact was nessesary for reproduction - according to the game, its not.  everything else is subjective.

edited to add: from my knowledge of male humans, they seek an orgasm, derived from interaction with a partner, rather then their own hand.  penetration not nessesary, though sexual organ stimulation is (but we're talking humans being with other humans - asari, can stimulate nervous system directly)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 05:03 .

[Moronic Fool]

ME3 will need more asari boobies, so..... what was I saying again?

[Vanna]

If an Asari mind-melds with someone else, won't they essentially feel what the other person is feeling? So basically the pleasure given equals the pleasure received. Or rather, I imagine it like an intense feedback loop (you know, like what happens if you get too close to the amp with an electric guitar).

[Severyx]

jeweledleah wrote...

actualy, Liara specificaly states that physical contact may or may not be involved but NOT nessesary.  from the impression I got, physical contact majority of the time is for the benefit of the other species in the pairing.  that is not to say that asari cannot enjoy physical contact, just that its unnessesary for reproduction.

you know, kinda like its unnessesary for a human woman to enjoy the act of reproduction in order to get pregnant.

I do believe that Liara was referring to melding in general, and that is true. Liara accesses Shep's beacon memories via such a touchless meld and Shiala gives Shep the prothean cipher this way as well.

However, the codex clearly states that the nervous systems 'become one', via contact through the skin for that special kind of meld and I can't imagine that happening wirelessly. It just doesn't compute to say asari can grab physical DNA through telepathics.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
[Shallow and biased statements snip]

You know what they say about the word 'assume'. . .

jeweledleah wrote...

you know we're in agreement with each other, I was just replying to specific statement claiming that physical contact was nessesary for reproduction - according to the game, its not.  everything else is subjective.

edited to add: from my knowledge of male humans, they seek an orgasm, derived from interaction with a partner, rather then their own hand. penetration not nessesary, though sexual organ stimulation is (but we're talking humans being with other humans - asari, can stimulate nervous system directly)

Again, I will defer to the in game codex on this one.

The Mass Effect Codex says...

Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual. An asari provides two copies of her own genes to her offspring. The second set is altered in a unique process called melding.

During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through the skin. The partner can be another asari, or an alien of either gender. Effectively, the asari and her partner briefly become one unified nervous system.

This unique means of reproduction is the reason asari are talented biotics.

No offense intended due to my bluntness. I just think that this issue has already been answered by pre-existing sources and should be able to rest. Kind of like the silly thermal clip rigamarole.

Edited due to forum weird text placement fail. D:

Modifié par Severyx, 14 février 2011 - 05:27 .

[jeweledleah]

@Severyx. where does it say that touch is necessary to send said impulses through the skin?

characters use biotics to lift, throw etc - from a distance. no physical touching. Every time we see melding in game its in close proximity, which leads me to believe, you need to be close to actually be able to perform something that delicate, but even if you consider Shiala and Shepard - there is NO direct skin contact when they meld - you know all that armor and gloved hands getting in a way.

edited to add - melding is melding.  only intent of it is different.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 05:36 .

[Severyx]

Biotics is the control of dark energy through neural impulses sent to element zero nodules throughout the body. Unless an asari is going to rip the DNA out of me with dark energy (and very likely turn me into a mushy pulp in the process), that's not how it works.

As for the Shiala comment, I'll ignore that since I already noted that in the earlier part of my last post.

If the codex said anything other than 'directly' when referring to sending impulses through the skin, I'd be happy to oblige your curiosity. This, however, is not the case and requires skin contact in one way or another.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To assert that the vast
majority of male humans would not seek to impose sexual intercourse on the asari is, in my opinion, extremely naive. Especially when considering the fact that physical intimacy is an aspect of sexual activity that the asari both desire and enjoy.

I'll keep this brief as to not get too off topic. Your assumption was that all males have to 'stick it in somewhere' to feel pleasure. To this I refer to the fact that asari can stimulate nerves regardless. They don't need to let a male penetrate anything in order for both sides to feel it. That said, a male would no longer have said desire, as asari can already supercede that.

Modifié par Severyx, 14 février 2011 - 05:47 .

[Siansonea]

So not surprised to see the juvenile contributions to this thread, but whatever.



When you think about it, physical contact stimulates the nervous system. Adding physical contact to an asari 'mind-meld' would simply enhance the meld. In many ways, I imagine it would be like touching yourself, since you would feel both sides of the touch, yours and hers. Definitely would enhance the experience for the participants, but not 'mandatory'. Obviously physical proximity is required though, it seems clear that asari can't have the equivalent of "phone melding".



As to whether asari have proper vajayjays, I'm inclined to think they do. The human vagina didn't evolve *just* to accommodate weiners. The asari reproductive method isn't the only consideration, there are other factors. The cervix is in a very protected position in a woman's body for a reason, if it made biological sense for it to be near the surface, it would be, and human males would have evolved shorter, smaller penises that could directly impregnate the uterus without going through all the rigamarole of the existing method. I think asari junk is very similar to human females', there are too many other parallels in physical appearance.



As to the asari 'crest', I've always imagined that it functions somehow in their natural biotic abilities, essentially acting as a type of sensory organ that detects and manipulates mass effect fields.

[Severyx]

@LesEnfantsTerribles I respect that such is your belief and opinion, but the problem is that you are bringing beliefs into a fact-based debate. I'm doing my best to stick to pre-established canon information to explain how the asari reproductive process renders the argument that asari wouldn't like physical intercourse moot.

@Siansonea II The reason why most of your post can't be credibly considered is the same as a few others. You base your explanation on inclination when I've already used in-game facts to point out that this whole argument isn't even necessary. Additionally, you're using human evolutionary details to explain why it's a reasonable idea that a completely different species would specifically accommodate them. A good deal of asari were born long before humans even joined the galactic community, so this is not plausible.

Modifié par Severyx, 14 février 2011 - 05:57 .

[jeweledleah]

while she's touching Shepard - note that she's wearing gloves and Shepard is still clothed. no direct skin to skin contact.



I'm not saying that asari don't touch skin to skin, I'm not saying they do not enjoy it. all I'm saying is that direct skin to skin contact is not required to merge nervous systems

[jlb524]

Severyx wrote...

@LesEnfantsTerribles I respect that such is your belief and opinion, but the problem is that you are bringing beliefs into a fact-based debate. I'm doing my best to stick to pre-established canon information to explain how the asari reproductive process renders the argument that asari wouldn't like physical intercourse moot.

Nothing you've brought up renders that argument moot, though.

Also, his statements are in regards to humen men and their attitudes toward sex and not the asari and I'm sure his beliefs come about from years of interacting with human men and listening to them discuss women, thus gleaning their attitudes towards sex.

[AlexMBrennan]

It's still sexist, though. I wonder how long the posts would survive if the genders were swapped.

[Severyx]

jlb524 wrote...
Nothing you've brought up renders that argument moot, though.

Also, his statements are in regards to humen men and their attitudes toward sex and not the asari and I'm sure his beliefs come about from years of interacting with human men and listening to them discuss women, thus gleaning their attitudes towards sex.

My aim is to render a point the OP made moot, not entirely LesEnfants'.

What renders the argument of asari penetration discomfort moot is, indeed, the fact that they don't do it. Whether or not they have an asari equivalent to a vagina is debatable (since they obviously have birth canals but no confirmation of where that is), but even that point is moot since, again, asari do not engage in penetration to have reproduction.

@ the video: If you want Bioware to unfold a full on love scene just to have Shep die, then this will turn into the thermal clip silliness all over again.

Since the responses I'm getting are relative non-issues, I'm just going to step away from this thread before it takes the inevitable downward turn.

Modifié par Severyx, 14 février 2011 - 06:05 .

[jeweledleah]

Severyx wrote...

@ the video: If you want Bioware to unfold a full on love scene just to have Shep die, then this will turn into the thermal clip silliness all over again.

Since the responses I'm getting are relative non-issues, I'm just going to step away from this thread before it takes the inevitable downward turn.

removing the glove and touching the face would have been enough.  no needfor full on sex scene.  it does however show that melding is possible without direct skin to skin contact.

yes, I realize that I'm being nitpicky

edited to add @lesenfantsterrible - having asked some males, no, not every male requires vaginal penetration or its equivalent to sucessfuly and fulfillingly engage in sexual contact with a female person and yes, they are perfectly happy to remain in a relationship.  seeing as relationships are a bit more then just sex. 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 06:11 .

[naledgeborn]

Not to offend the subtle feminism in this thread but @ OP. Does Manshep and Liara/Asari make a good couple biologically? The answer is yes. Because Bioware said so.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Now now, I was kidding. No need to get a little rude.

Fine, I was a bit stingy there. But you have to realise the implications of your post were anything but funny.

I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.

[Sable Phoenix]

Hm, okay. Even though I firmly believe that asari would be more strongly attracted to human women than anything else in the galaxy except another asari (and since fertilization is heavily implied to take place by conscious choice in asari, and since there is never a taboo mentioned on asari/asari sexual relations, merely on those relations resulting in offspring, I also firmly believe the most common asari sexual pairing in the galaxy is with another asari, even if it’s now the least common mating pair), I don’t think that the asari would be totally unfamiliar and opposed to penetrative sex. Humans have figured out how to insert nearly anything into nearly any (let’s not kid ourselves, it’s every single) orifice of the body, whether they’re designed for it or not. If something comes out of it, something can go into it. I’m sure asari would’ve figured out anal stimulation just like humans, I’m sure they could’ve deduced vaginal (or “azural” or whatever it’s called for them) stimulation without too much difficulty, and given that they have tons of nerve endings in that area of the body just like humans do (not in the same configuration at all, of course, but obviously Shepard touched somewhere below the hips which induced an unconscious, spontaneous meld-state in Liara… we can assume it was synonymous with orgasm), touching of many different kinds would be enjoyable for them. Just like most humans don’t care for anal intercourse but some do, I’m sure most asari don’t care for what humans understand as “intercourse” at all, but some do. I have no problem with asari, some of them at least, accommodating partners who want that kind of sex.

That said, I do have a problem with nearly every pairing of asari we see in both games being with a male of a different species. I think asari who would tolerate the traditional human (or turian, or krogan) view of heterosexual intercourse would be a minority, and those who actively enjoy it an even smaller subset. We see one pair of asari holding each other on the Citadel wards in ME1, and that’s the only one I can remember. I think there’s another pair dancing in Flux. Female human and asari pairings, which should be as nearly as common as asari/asari pairings, are nowhere to be found (other than the Al Jilani video in LOTSB, but that barely counts). You can’t convince me that bi-curious and xenophilic human females wouldn’t be gunning for asari left and right as something both exotic and more than marginally familiar, and you can’t convince me that when humans broke onto the galactic scene, asari didn’t see women as the Goddess’ gift to their race. Physical attraction is pretty heavily hardwired into the DNA, and while there are always outliers on any bell curve, the curve we see in the games seems to be missing the bell. We only see the edges, and it makes zero sense.

[Sable Phoenix]

jeweledleah wrote...



while she's touching Shepard - note that she's wearing gloves and Shepard is still clothed. no direct skin to skin contact.

I'm not saying that asari don't touch skin to skin, I'm not saying they do not enjoy it. all I'm saying is that direct skin to skin contact is not required to merge nervous systems

But it is required for fertilization/impregnation/reproduction.  The Codex says so.

[JaylaClark]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I agree, Xilizhra. This is one of the reasons as to why I dislike the DudeShep/Liara pairing, and believe that Liara should have realistically been a FemShep-exclusive LI. I think that human sexual intercourse would be deeply uncomfortable for the asari, and possibly even quite painful.

I think the probability of the asari being receptive to penetrative sex is highly unlikely, and due to the fact that the asari vagina is not intended to be utilised for sexual intercourse, would be akin to a human being penetrated by an appendage in an orifice such as the ear. It would be deeply uncomfortable and displeasurable.

I do believe I've countered this in other discussions with, who says they have ordinary sex anyway?

The problem is that we're going on the assumption that all maleSheps will make the assumption that 'humanoid female enjoys hetero human sex' and that Liara will not object to this if she dislikes it.

What's established?  That both Shepard and Liara get naked and that Liara says she had a good time.  That's it.  If she didn't enjoy what happened, would she really say that?  I don't think so.  So if she doesn't enjoy penetrative sex, it didn't happen.  And vice versa, of course.  (See also our respective femSheps and their digits.  I'm sure it would occur to them, being humans, that inserting one's finger(s) might be a good thing.  Liara won't just sit there and take it if it doesn't interest her, will she?)

[Sentox6]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.

It's probably more a case of most people who found your joke funny having a short laugh and moving on, while those who are offended by it are more likely to raise an objection.

I'll be honest:

1) I'm a male.
2) It made me laugh.
3) I've treated women with nothing but respect my entire life (unless they did something to deserve otherwise).
4) Hell, I'm a FemShep supporter on the basis that women are more interesting and yet underserved (and too often oversexualised) in lead character roles.

These sort of jokes are best left for when you know you're talking only to male friends, in my experience.

Modifié par Sentox6, 14 février 2011 - 06:32 .