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#76
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Sentox6 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.

It's probably more a case of most people who found your joke funny having a short laugh and moving on, while those who are offended by it are more likely to raise an objection.

I'll be honest:

1) I'm a male.
2) It made me laugh.
3) I've treated women with nothing but respect my entire life.
4) Hell, I'm a FemShep supporter on the basis that women are more interesting and yet underserved in lead character roles.

Exactly. There is no reason to get worked up about it. Or even accuse the poor guy of chauvinism.
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Im male and I did not find the forcing someone for a bj funny. It was of bad nature and you should not say stuff like that even as a joke. the joke wasn't funny but very crude and hostile.

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Sable Phoenix wrote...

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while she's touching Shepard - note that she's wearing gloves and Shepard is still clothed. no direct skin to skin contact.

I'm not saying that asari don't touch skin to skin, I'm not saying they do not enjoy it. all I'm saying is that direct skin to skin contact is not required to merge nervous systems


But it is required for fertilization/impregnation/reproduction.  The Codex says so.


logicaly speaking, the only difference between sex for pleasure and sex for procreation is the impregnation.  since asari do not collect physical dna material from their partners but rather copy it and incorporate with their own, I'm not seeing how the melding would be any different there.  its not like clothes are some sort of fantastical condom.

I do agree that in terms of pure physical atraction, asari would probably prefer human women second best right after another asari.  but since they are looking for partners based on different criteria, its not farfetched for them to go for either males or females.   it would be nice if we could see pairings for both genders, but between bioware chosing various lore copouts for not showing the females of most races (lack of Turian females makes the least sence, as unlike Salarians or Krogan, their females actualy participate in all the same activities as males) and I guess just making it easier to design one model per species - we can only see those pairings as something implied.

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Sable Phoenix wrote...
I’m sure asari would’ve figured out anal stimulation just like humans, I’m sure they could’ve deduced vaginal (or “azural” or whatever it’s called for them) stimulation without too much difficulty, and given that they have tons of nerve endings in that area of the body just like humans do (not in the same configuration at all, of course, but obviously Shepard touched somewhere below the hips which induced an unconscious, spontaneous meld-state in Liara… we can assume it was synonymous with orgasm), touching of many different kinds would be enjoyable for them.


You assume the azure is located anywhere near their birth canal...I don't think this is the case from what we've seen.

Sable Phoenix wrote...
Just like most humans don’t care for anal intercourse but some do, I’m sure most asari don’t care for what humans understand as “intercourse” at all, but some do. I have no problem with asari, some of them at least, accommodating partners who want that kind of sex.


But why would they even think that appropriate, given that the idea of any type of penetration is very foreign to them.  To humans, intercourse is part of our sex, so it's no big deal to think about it in different places.  I wonder how many humans would be open to having very alien sex, especially sex that could be quite painful.  I don't know...imagine if we met an alien species that wanted to have sex by pulling on your hair really really hard.  Basically, I think there are also psychological barriers that would stop the asari from desiring this type of sex and not just physical ones.

Sable Phoenix wrote...
That said, I do have a problem with nearly every pairing of asari we see in both games being with a male of a different species. I think asari who would tolerate the traditional human (or turian, or krogan) view of heterosexual intercourse would be a minority, and those who actively enjoy it an even smaller subset. We see one pair of asari holding each other on the Citadel wards in ME1, and that’s the only one I can remember. I think there’s another pair dancing in Flux. Female human and asari pairings, which should be as nearly as common as asari/asari pairings, are nowhere to be found (other than the Al Jilani video in LOTSB, but that barely counts). You can’t convince me that bi-curious and xenophilic human females wouldn’t be gunning for asari left and right as something both exotic and more than marginally familiar, and you can’t convince me that when humans broke onto the galactic scene, asari didn’t see women as the Goddess’ gift to their race. Physical attraction is pretty heavily hardwired into the DNA, and while there are always outliers on any bell curve, the curve we see in the games seems to be missing the bell. We only see the edges, and it makes zero sense.


'Tis a shame indeed.

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rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.


Any sane person, whether they be man or woman should be offended at a "joke" about sexually assaulting women. <_<


I'm sane. And I thought it was funny.

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Sentox6 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.

It's probably more a case of most people who found your joke funny having a short laugh and moving on, while those who are offended by it are more likely to raise an objection.

I'll be honest:

1) I'm a male.
2) It made me laugh.
3) I've treated women with nothing but respect my entire life (unless they did something to deserve otherwise).
4) Hell, I'm a FemShep supporter on the basis that women are more interesting and yet underserved (and too often oversexualised) in lead character roles.

These sort of jokes are best left for when you know you're talking only to male friends, in my experience.


I'm the same way. I guess I'll have to watch who I'm talking to from now on.

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Sentox6 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.

It's probably more a case of most people who found your joke funny having a short laugh and moving on, while those who are offended by it are more likely to raise an objection.

I'll be honest:

1) I'm a male.
2) It made me laugh.
3) I've treated women with nothing but respect my entire life (unless they did something to deserve otherwise).
4) Hell, I'm a FemShep supporter on the basis that women are more interesting and yet underserved (and too often oversexualised) in lead character roles.

These sort of jokes are best left for when you know you're talking only to male friends, in my experience.


I don't know...most people that truly respect women don't find juvenile jokes like these funny.

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jeweledleah wrote...
I do agree that in terms of pure physical atraction, asari would probably prefer human women second best right after another asari.  but since they are looking for partners based on different criteria, its not farfetched for them to go for either males or females.   it would be nice if we could see pairings for both genders, but between bioware chosing various lore copouts for not showing the females of most races (lack of Turian females makes the least sence, as unlike Salarians or Krogan, their females actualy participate in all the same activities as males) and I guess just making it easier to design one model per species - we can only see those pairings as something implied.

Well, I'd like to point out that that is not necessarily true. Something alien could be more attractive as it is exotic.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

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Now now, I was kidding. No need to get a little rude.


Fine, I was a bit stingy there. But you have to realise the implications of your post were anything but funny.


I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.


Definitely a bad joke, regardless of crowd gender.

And as a male, I resent the implication that I have automatically like those kind of jokes because if it

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jwalker wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Now now, I was kidding. No need to get a little rude.


Fine, I was a bit stingy there. But you have to realise the implications of your post were anything but funny.


I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.


Definitely a bad joke, regardless of crowd gender.

And as a male, I resent the implication that I have automatically like those kind of jokes because if it




Like I said, possible bad joke.

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jlb524 wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.

It's probably more a case of most people who found your joke funny having a short laugh and moving on, while those who are offended by it are more likely to raise an objection.

I'll be honest:

1) I'm a male.
2) It made me laugh.
3) I've treated women with nothing but respect my entire life (unless they did something to deserve otherwise).
4) Hell, I'm a FemShep supporter on the basis that women are more interesting and yet underserved (and too often oversexualised) in lead character roles.

These sort of jokes are best left for when you know you're talking only to male friends, in my experience.


I don't know...most people that truly respect women don't find juvenile jokes like these funny.


I respect women

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rynluna wrote...

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It's still sexist, though. I wonder how long the posts would survive if the genders were swapped.


If you're going to pull that card then I might as well say that making space lesbians who have mated with each other for thousands of years suddenly enjoy hetero sex is homophobic.  :huh:


This.

The asari design is just plain awful.

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Ramirez, Im a psychology student. I can give you some free sessions to help with you're problem.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I respect women


Your actions do not support this claim.

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jlb524 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I respect women


Your actions do not support this claim.


Not to be rude (I respect everyone here), but they don't have to.

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Pwener2313 wrote...

Ramirez, Im a psychology student. I can give you some free sessions to help with you're problem.

I know that you are kidding, but no need to bash the guy. A joke of poor taste doesn't mean that he is sexist, and according to him he respects both genders. In fact, I think that he should probably be more offended than anyone else since the opposite has been implied.

Modifié par Phaedon, 14 février 2011 - 06:46 .


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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.


Any sane person, whether they be man or woman should be offended at a "joke" about sexually assaulting women. <_<


I'm sane. And I thought it was funny.


I'm considering a career in law enforcement and I would gladly put away lowlifes that force themselves on helpless victims.  It's funny to you but no one thinks about the victim who will never be the same again after going through something like that.

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I do believe I've countered this in other discussions with, who says they have ordinary sex anyway?

The problem is that we're going on the assumption that all maleSheps will make the assumption that 'humanoid female enjoys hetero human sex' and that Liara will not object to this if she dislikes it.

What's established?  That both Shepard and Liara get naked and that Liara says she had a good time.  That's it.  If she didn't enjoy what happened, would she really say that?  I don't think so.  So if she doesn't enjoy penetrative sex, it didn't happen.  And vice versa, of course.  (See also our respective femSheps and their digits.  I'm sure it would occur to them, being humans, that inserting one's finger(s) might be a good thing.  Liara won't just sit there and take it if it doesn't interest her, will she?)


To be perfectly honest, I think the idea that an asari would tolerate sexual intercourse, even if it's painful and uncomfortable to them, to be disturbing and perverse in the extreme. It's a form of sexual abuse.

My response to everything else you've said is present in my other posts in this thread.

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No Im not. Rape is a serious offence in Citadel space. Im just trying to help the guy.

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rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.


Any sane person, whether they be man or woman should be offended at a "joke" about sexually assaulting women. <_<


I'm sane. And I thought it was funny.


I'm considering a career in law enforcement and I would gladly put away lowlifes that force themselves on helpless victims.  It's funny to you but no one thinks about the victim who will never be the same again after going through something like that.


I wasn't being serious. Look it's a bad joke and it's the wrong crowd.

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rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
I see. Possibly a bad joke, and definitely the wrong crowd. Not to be rude, but are the majority of people on this thread are women? Because if that's true then I will totally understand wat happened.


Any sane person, whether they be man or woman should be offended at a "joke" about sexually assaulting women. <_<


I'm sane. And I thought it was funny.


I'm considering a career in law enforcement and I would gladly put away lowlifes that force themselves on helpless victims.  It's funny to you but no one thinks about the victim who will never be the same again after going through something like that.


It isn't funny to you, but it may be to someone else.

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Get out. NOW! You shoul get banned for making a joke like that. I spam a little and get banned every 4 days but you can make a rape joke and pacifen is nowhere to be found? SO UNFAIR!

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Pwener2313 wrote...

Get out. NOW! You shoul get banned for making a joke like that. I spam a little and get banned every 4 days but you can make a rape joke and pacifen is nowhere to be found? SO UNFAIR!


So, you are a troll?:huh:

If that is the case, your argument is now invalid.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I respect women


Your actions do not support this claim.


Not to be rude (I respect everyone here), but they don't have to.


I think they do...if that were the case, I or anyone can claim that I'm anything I want to even if it's not true.

Pro-tip:  your words and actions tend to reflect your subconscious attitudes toward things....

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

It isn't funny to you, but it may be to someone else.


Really? That what you're going for? My God you need help. Im being serious this time. What the hell man.